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Posted: 3 days ago
#51

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

His pain is stemming from his mom leaving him.

His mom left him because his dad cheated on her, AGAIN. He was present when Daksha was slapping his dad, reminding him of him doing this for a second time to Tulsi. He heard his mom admit how it was something for which she should have never forgiven his dad back then itself.

He blames his mom for leaving him. He doesn’t blame his dad.

He doesn’t want to even think about what made his mom leave, even yesterday Shobha and Gayatri had to pacify him and tell him to once put himself in Tulsi’s shoes all because he kept asking why she left, despite knowing everything.

That’s not an emotionally broken person to me. That’s a person who refuses to accept the reality that his mother was in a lot of pain. He refuses to think about what she had to go through because he wants to keep his own pity party going on and because he was asked to bear the responsibilities of his brother at office. He’s saying everything went wrong and wants to put the burden of blame on his mother citing her absence, but where is his own accountability in all of this?

At some point you can’t expect your parents to hand hold you through everything in life. You also cannot expect your mother to be nothing more than a mom.

If he’s emotionally broken, then so is she. Her pain had to have been enormous as well, imagine being cheated by your husband, discovering that he has fathered a son with another woman. Accept him back despite that, accept his son as your own too, love him like he were born of your own womb. Then find out that your husband has done it again - cheated on you, again. Now, at this stage of life where you two are old enough for him to consider retirement soon, for the two of you to watch your grandkids getting married soon, having great-grandchildren down the line. When you think this is the phase of life where you two can get to sit back and relax in your life finally. Your kids are old enough to run business, take care of home, your grandchildren are also well raised and sure to do well. You feel like it’s finally time for you two to have some time to yourselves as a couple who are no longer expected to run around and take care of everything because you have done your duties, lived through that phase. Been the good son/bahu who looked after work/home, family, had kids and raised them, got them married and now ensured that they can look after everything. But your dearest husband surprises you by having an affair at this age, for the second time in your marriage.

You had let bygones be bygones, you had managed to bury the pain of his past betrayal deep within your heart so that your family can lead a happy life, you compromised on your dignity once for the sake of your children, for the sake of not letting everything you once helped grow and build crumble apart. You did that with the bare minimum expectation of him not repeating the same mistake ever again in this lifetime.

You returned to his home, to his life, to your family, and more importantly to his room and back in his bed as well. You went back there despite a part of your brain nagging you that he shared this with someone else too, he fathered a son with her and kept you in the dark for decades. That it took that son himself coming up to you for you to know this truth that would alter your life forever. You go through that choosing forgiveness and hope. Choosing family and the future of your kids.

You only hope you don’t get to relive it again. You only hope that you won’t regret this decision of yours.

Your hopes are shattered and so are you… beyond words and belief.

But sure, that should be put aside because ONE child of yours doesn’t want to accept that mom can be hurt too. That she’s a human being with limits as well. Because in his head, his mom’s world should revolve around him? She’s not allowed to leave.

How can I find sympathy for someone who himself can’t be sympathetic towards his own mom?

His weaknesses do not inspire compassion in me, I am made of sterner stuff perhaps. Like I said maybe life has toughened me, I am jaded. But for me this isn’t a weakness of mind, it’s lack of understanding and empathy for the suffering of the one person who you claim you love the most in the world.

Why does a good mother have to prove she’s a good mother by sticking around for her children regardless of the circumstances? How does that make her a bad individual or a bad mother if for once she chooses to walk away because her own sanity, dignity and very identity felt like it was crumbling?

Can you call yourself a good child if you demand your mother endure everything for your sake, so you don’t get to taste the harshness of life, see how tough it can be?

Well I don't think he is not sympathetic towards her, he is but his own pain has overwhelmed him to the point where he is unable to see it that others especially his mother had it worse. My point is we don't know exactly what happened to him in those 6 years. If we are not judging tulsi for cutting ties with her kids regardless of the reason being Mihir cheating on her twice then why judge Rithik for lashing out at her? He probably doesn't even mean it and could be doing it impulsively. Let's say you divorce your husband because he cheated on you, does it make sense to treat your own kids like strangers for no fault of theirs? That is basically the same as emotional abandonment. Cutting ties with the husband's family is one thing but cutting ties with your kids is not something i can understand and that is exactly where Rithik's pain stems from and hence the explained irrational blaming of his mother. Like I said again whether you disagree he is emotionally broken or not, he has spiralled down to a point where he was driven to the edge of ending his life. Judging a person like that is not fair.

"How can I find sympathy for someone who himself can’t be sympathetic towards his own mom?" - Because you are only concerned about what tulsi is going through, tulsi is not the only victim here, when a man cheats his wife his kids also end up suffering the minute they split up, this is how it is in when a family breaks apart. The kids are pretty much victims of that same infidelity. That way even I can ask how can you sympathise with a woman who unfairly punishes her children for their father's actions? Is that fair?

"Why does a good mother have to prove she’s a good mother by sticking around for her children regardless of the..."- it's not about whether she is a good mother or individual, its about responsibility. As a parent you will still hold a certain level of responsibility towards your kids regardless of their age and vice versa. She was questioning Mihir over his responsibility as a father but she too wasn't fulfilling her end of the responsibility as a mother. If you don't want the responsibility then don't have kids or adopt kids only to neglect them emotionally later because of your own pain and wash your hands off them. I am not saying she has to endure everything for the sake of her kids, she could live separately as she was already or at best she could divorce him and end it all with him, but she is wrong for abandoning her children, moreover she is not even divorced, just living separately, so many women both divorced or living separately ensure they have the children close to them or at least make the effort to communicate with them if they dont have the custody, but tulsi didn't do that, what is that really suppose to mean? She can show love and affection to some unrelated strangers but deny the same to the very children she raised? Do you honestly think she was right to do that?

Here the main point is not about her enduring everything for the sake of her kids, I don't really expect her or anyone to do that, but I do expect her to fulfill at least a part of her responsibilities if not all as a mother. Tomorrow if my parents fight and divorce each other for whatever reason does that relieve them of their duties as my parents? Does that suddenly make them unrelated to me, would my mother be any less of a mother to a point where she doesn't even bother to learn or find out about how I'm doing in life and treat me like a complete stranger overnight just because they couldn't get over their pain. I simply cannot understand that even as a woman. Punishing your husband and cutting ties with him is one thing but cutting ties with your kids is not something I can understand.

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Posted: 3 days ago
#52

Ok so Hrithik Virani has finally realized his mistake 😂😂.

Comments real me padhte hai CVs😂😂. So lo ji Tulsi ne bola palne me, school, ya college jaanewala baccha nhi chodke gyi thi. 😂😂😜.

But again, she understood his point of view and he understood how she survived without anyone.🙄🙄

Edited by bpatil3 - 3 days ago
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Posted: 3 days ago
#53

Originally posted by: Rein123

Well I don't think he is not sympathetic towards her, he is but his own pain has overwhelmed him to the point where he is unable to see it that others especially his mother had it worse. My point is we don't know exactly what happened to him in those 6 years. If we are not judging tulsi for cutting ties with her kids regardless of the reason being Mihir cheating on her twice then why judge Rithik for lashing out at her? He probably doesn't even mean it and could be doing it impulsively. Let's say you divorce your husband because he cheated on you, does it make sense to treat your own kids like strangers for no fault of theirs? That is basically the same as emotional abandonment. Cutting ties with the husband's family is one thing but cutting ties with your kids is not something i can understand and that is exactly where Rithik's pain stems from and hence the explained irrational blaming of his mother. Like I said again whether you disagree he is emotionally broken or not, he has spiralled down to a point where he was driven to the edge of ending his life. Judging a person like that is not fair.

"How can I find sympathy for someone who himself can’t be sympathetic towards his own mom?" - Because you are only concerned about what tulsi is going through, tulsi is not the only victim here, when a man cheats his wife his kids also end up suffering the minute they split up, this is how it is in when a family breaks apart. The kids are pretty much victims of that same infidelity. That way even I can ask how can you sympathise with a woman who unfairly punishes her children for their father's actions? Is that fair?

"Why does a good mother have to prove she’s a good mother by sticking around for her children regardless of the..."- it's not about whether she is a good mother or individual, its about responsibility. As a parent you will still hold a certain level of responsibility towards your kids regardless of their age and vice versa. She was questioning Mihir over his responsibility as a father but she too wasn't fulfilling her end of the responsibility as a mother. If you don't want the responsibility then don't have kids or adopt kids only to neglect them emotionally later because of your own pain and wash your hands off them. I am not saying she has to endure everything for the sake of her kids, she could live separately as she was already or at best she could divorce him and end it all with him, but she is wrong for abandoning her children, moreover she is not even divorced, just living separately, so many women both divorced or living separately ensure they have the children close to them or at least make the effort to communicate with them if they dont have the custody, but tulsi didn't do that, what is that really suppose to mean? She can show love and affection to some unrelated strangers but deny the same to the very children she raised? Do you honestly think she was right to do that?

Here the main point is not about her enduring everything for the sake of her kids, I don't really expect her or anyone to do that, but I do expect her to fulfill at least a part of her responsibilities if not all as a mother. Tomorrow if my parents fight and divorce each other for whatever reason does that relieve them of their duties as my parents? Does that suddenly make them unrelated to me, would my mother be any less of a mother to a point where she doesn't even bother to learn or find out about how I'm doing in life and treat me like a complete stranger overnight just because they couldn't get over their pain. I simply cannot understand that even as a woman. Punishing your husband and cutting ties with him is one thing but cutting ties with your kids is not something I can understand.

Fairness is not a thing that exists in the world, let’s get that out straight away. It’s a concept that is good to hear, imagine and hope for, but it doesn’t exist.

If fairness existed in the world then there would be no one who is unhappy, there would be probably no crimes and if they still happened then the culprit (s) would be punished harshly as befitting their crimes.


So I would be realistic and say this off the bat. I can’t be sympathetic towards an adult who thinks his mother is responsible to take care of everything in his life. An adult who can’t accept that she would be gone someday or be incapable of being there for him, is immature. Tulsi might as well have had an accident and died, had a paralytic stroke or been diagnosed with cancer or dementia or something else. Those things would be beyond her control too and she could be gone forever in a moment without even anyone expecting it to happen.

Your mom is not going to be there for you forever; she’s not immortal and even before she succumbs to her mortality you can lose her in ways that you never imagined. You can watch your mom be put on a ventilator for months, watch her fade away as she battles cancer, see her lose her spark owing to a sudden brain stroke that leaves her paralysed. You don’t know what life holds for you, things can change in a heartbeat any time, anywhere, any day.

Point is life is not going to be a bed of roses for you no matter what. You gotta accept it. No one can fight your battles even if you have everyone beside you.

Your worst enemy is not necessarily the person in front of you but the person in the mirror, and it’s also the only person in the world you have forever. You can run away from everyone but not that person. Everyone in the world can try to help you but you can lose regardless if the person staring back at you in the mirror is not your friend. You have that one person to rely on even when the world turns against you and even when the world is with you.

Hrithik playing this blame game with his mom and brother doesn’t change the reality that he had to fight his own battles. His problem isn’t just that he’s losing, his problem is that he’s blaming his mother and brother for losing. Hence I don’t have any sympathy for him. Had he tried at least and failed, had he shown some accountability for his decisions and accepted he made bad decisions and that’s why he’s here, I would have shown him sympathy and respected him despite his failures.

Failing is not a mark of inability always. In a race only one person wins, sometimes everyone even knows who that winner would be, everyone is so sure of that, but if that makes them withdraw even before they complete then they weren’t fit for even trying in the first place.

Hrithik joined the business and he’s made to believe that he’s terrible at it by his wife and his BIL, but he’s not even at the helm of things. It’s his dad and Noyna, is Hrithik even unable to throw that back at his wife and BIL? How is he supposed to be the one at fault for everything when he’s not even the one calling the shots?

If Hrithik cannot even grasp that much in his self defence then how and why should I defend him or care about his woes?

Also yes, you’re right that I am concerned about Tulsi. I started watching this show for her. I am more connected to her as a character than I am with Hrithik and his siblings who didn’t exist in the canon universe of S1 and whose acting chops as well as characterisations have not endeared me to them in this season. I can’t express sympathy for a fictional character even if they try to kill themselves if I don’t even connect with them on any level. They don’t need to be a favourite character but at least one that has something that makes them stand apart and interesting as an individual. I have not been invested in Hrithik or his siblings because the actors are extremely mediocre and the way they’re written lacks any depth. More specifically, just when they were starting to resonate a bit, this leap happens and it’s an instant makeover that changes them completely overnight not just in terms of styling but also as characters. So yes, the disconnect becomes even more jarring and therefore I couldn’t care less about Hrithik and his woe is me attitude.

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Posted: 3 days ago
#54

Originally posted by: bpatil3

Ok so Hrithik Virani has finally realized his mistake 😂😂.

Comments real me padhte hai CVs😂😂. So lo ji Tulsi ne bola palne me, school, ya college jaanewala baccha nhi chodke gyi thi. 😂😂😜.

But again, she understood his point of view and he understood how she survived without anyone.🙄🙄

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Posted: 3 days ago
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Our 6page discussion, more than 10 different minds and yaha pe less than 2mins me nipta diya 😂😂😂😂

Edited by bpatil3 - 3 days ago
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Posted: 3 days ago
#56

Originally posted by: bpatil3

Our 6page discussion, more than 10 different minds and yaha pe less than 2mins me nipta diya 😂😂😂😂

I am glad they took the middle route and ended this track because frankly Aman cant pull it off neither can Indian TV serial writers.

You need better actors for such an important topic and more than that channels, producers have got to stop chasing TRPs and focus on serving quality rather than quantity before they can delve into such serious issues.


The current state of Indian television is so pathetic that they can’t even be expected to make a limited series that can compete with Bojack Horseman- an animated Netflix show that ended years ago which explored topics related to mental health, addiction and childhood traumas. I kid you not, it’s one of the most brilliantly written shows I’ve ever watched. I am not even a fan of binge watching as it’s exhausting, here I completed 6 seasons in a month!

a cartoon of a horse wearing a suit and tie is standing in front of a handicap sign .

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Posted: 3 days ago
#57

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

I am glad they took the middle route and ended this track because frankly Aman cant pull it off neither can Indian TV serial writers.

You need better actors for such an important topic and more than that channels, producers have got to stop chasing TRPs and focus on serving quality rather than quantity before they can delve into such serious issues.


The current state of Indian television is so pathetic that they can’t even be expected to make a limited series that can compete with Bojack Horseman- an animated Netflix show that ended years ago which explored topics related to mental health, addiction and childhood traumas. I kid you not, it’s one of the most brilliantly written shows I’ve ever watched. I am not even a fan of binge watching as it’s exhausting, here I completed 6 seasons in a month!

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Frankly I was expecting a little more intense scene, then immediately remembered ki Tulsi k samne wala actor koun hai😂😂.

I was expecting Tulsi asking him calmly:

1. shaadi karne se pehle meri yaad nhi aayi? Maa ko batana ya poochna zaroori nhi tha??

2.And if things were good between your wife n you, did you still crave for my presence n attention?

3. Suicide se pehle, didn't you think once for your child??

4. Why did you accept the loss is bcoz of just you? Why didn't you give back to ppl, n defended yourself with facts n figures?

5. Have you ever thought, whether i survived or died? Did you try to find me?

..... Etc

The younger lot definitely lack acting skills🙄🙄. BT always chooses better actors, Ekta is bored working for TV it seems, i heard Aman Gandhi has done almost 5shows with BT it seems😂😂. But how??


Yup, everything is running on numbers today.Quality we have left far behind 🙄🙄.

TV shows too succumbed to TRPs.

In next two three years, TV concept will end🙄🙄

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Posted: 3 days ago
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Its a very partichial society

only thinks about men their problems their fears their desires their love etc

women needs are always ignored be it in family or society first is always mans needs be it education, job, food in family thats in shortage etc

a mother, wife and sister are supposed to do everything silently only for family mostly father, husband, son even brothers all life

but a husband will always prioritize his own needs over a wife or sister

a brother will prioritize his needs over sisters and mothers

a son will prioritize his needs over mother and sister and daughters or wife etc etc

only a father may prioritize daughters needs too along with sons

but if a son and daughter both has needs and one needs to be prioritized fathers usually will prioritize son over daughter ex if money is there only one kid can do mbbs than son shall do it not daughter although daughter may be more clever. if one kid can go abroad only son will be sent abraod for studies not daughter

Same way wife will leave job an go to another city or county when hubby gets job

If man is sick all women have to take care of him like daughter, sister, wife, mother

But if same mother or sister or wife is sick how many men take months of leave from work and take care of sick wife or sister or mother(none actually) because career is important final exams are important etc

Indeed men will not even bother to take mother or sister or wife to doctors even when sick as job important why waste leaves on sick women at home

burden of taking care of sick men or women at home are always on women in family never on men(be it india or usa mother only take leave sister only take leave wife only take leave if kids or hubby or siblings sick at home need extra care)

Hrithik comes from same mindset of patrichial society hence he feels tulsi has to be blamed for everything next he will put all blame on pari his sister for everything going wrong than he will blame vrinda or mitali or noyona

But will he dare blame mihir, angad, parth for his woes as they are his family too noo

thats how most family are

Edited by myviewprem - 3 days ago
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Posted: 3 days ago
#59

Originally posted by: bpatil3

Frankly I was expecting a little more intense scene, then immediately remembered ki Tulsi k samne wala actor koun hai😂😂.

I was expecting Tulsi asking him calmly:

1. shaadi karne se pehle meri yaad nhi aayi? Maa ko batana ya poochna zaroori nhi tha??

2.And if things were good between your wife n you, did you still crave for my presence n attention?

3. Suicide se pehle, didn't you think once for your child??

4. Why did you accept the loss is bcoz of just you? Why didn't you give back to ppl, n defended yourself with facts n figures?

5. Have you ever thought, whether i survived or died? Did you try to find me?

..... Etc

The younger lot definitely lack acting skills🙄🙄. BT always chooses better actors, Ekta is bored working for TV it seems, i heard Aman Gandhi has done almost 5shows with BT it seems😂😂. But how??


Yup, everything is running on numbers today.Quality we have left far behind 🙄🙄.

TV shows too succumbed to TRPs.

In next two three years, TV concept will end🙄🙄

Given the speed of the episodes these days, as if they’ve suddenly realised this is a limited series, I am surprised they even had this scene. They might as well have made it happen and told us the apology happened offscreen. But we had already been on Hrithik’s case so they gave us this scene.

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Posted: 3 days ago
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Originally posted by: myviewprem

Its a very partichial society

only thinks about men their problems their fears their desires their love etc

women needs are always ignored be it in family or society first is always mans needs be it education, job, food in family thats in shortage etc

a mother, wife and sister are supposed to do everything silently only for family mostly father, husband, son even brothers all life

but a husband will always prioritize his own needs over a wife or sister

a brother will prioritize his needs over sisters and mothers

a son will prioritize his needs over mother and sister and daughters or wife etc etc

only a father may prioritize daughters needs too along with sons

but if a son and daughter both has needs and one needs to be prioritized fathers usually will prioritize son over daughter ex if money is there only one kid can do mbbs than son shall do it not daughter although daughter may be more clever. if one kid can go abroad only son will be sent abraod for studies not daughter

Same way wife will leave job an go to another city or county when hubby gets job

If man is sick all women have to take care of him like daughter, sister, wife, mother

But if same mother or sister or wife is sick how many men take months of leave from work and take care of sick wife or sister or mother(none actually) because career is important final exams are important etc

Indeed men will not even bother to take mother or sister or wife to doctors even when sick as job important why waste leaves on sick women at home

burden of taking care of sick men or women at home are always on women in family never on men(be it india or usa mother only take leave sister only take leave wife only take leave if kids or hubby or siblings sick at home need extra care)

Hrithik comes from same mindset of patrichial society hence he feels tulsi has to be blamed for everything next he will put all blame on pari his sister for everything going wrong than he will blame vrinda or mitali or noyona

But will he dare blame mihir, angad, parth for his woes as they are his family too noo

thats how most family are

I don’t see this as patriarchy just bad writing meets poor acting.

They wrapped it up yesterday too.

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