YRKKH BTS, SM updates and Spoilers Thread! #121 - Page 12

Originally posted by: ShadowImbue

@bold No woman in fictional world too will tolerate this crap other than AD

Really? Didn't Naira accept Karthik after he legit told her on her face that she had an affair with another man? Or when he was touchy freely with her after marrying another woman, knowing she was still alive? Or Akshu choosing to move on with Abhimanyu after the way he treated her badly and insulted her multiple times, because she felt he had changed & matured and she wanted to give her child & family another chance? Yet somehow the thought of Abhira going back to Armaan after the truth comes out somehow makes her a "doormat" and the "worst FL in the fictional world"? Really?

Originally posted by: Farin3545

Glad that you understood Abhira as a character is beyond comprehension & beyond salvage.

However,I don’t like when people compare Armaan's activity with Akshu.

It's like comparing murder to theif.

Abhimanyu wasn’t that great people made him out to be.

Akshu didn’t have kink of running away from home,of course she was at fault but abhimanyu was the precipitating factor.

Here,everything Armaan did,It's his fault alone.

In that case even i can say abhira deserves to loose maira as she was careless with daksh. But i never say so as for me no crime is greater than hiding the child from the parent unless parent wants to sell the child to prostitution and other parent saved the child.

Akshara had no strong reason. It's okay if you don't want to accept akshara is same as armaan but we can not deny the fact that how armaan punished ab for her mistakes in the worst way ak also punished in the worst way possible. Atleast here there was no death involved but in gen 3 abhimanyu lost his bro because of her impulsive decision, he was mourning for his dead child for 6 years. His mom was almost hospitalized for stroke. Where as abhira and her maa and dadi and her entire family is well and good and her child is also alive.

For me both armaan and akshara are criminals and will be criminals. I will support abhira and abhimanyu as i believe bad spouse is not equal to bad parent.

I only replied as i am tired of hearing abhimanyu deserves to loose his child for divorcing ak where as he never divorced ak for miscarriage. He asked her to rest and also gave her juice. He got triggerred when ak failed to listen to him again and again which made manjari to get a stroke attack.

Originally posted by: Apsvenky

Which is why when Naira came back or even Akshu for that matter never apologised for anything. Keeping a child away from his father and not telling them about said child is a crime. They too did a sin by keeping the child from its father, especially when that child has no danger from his father. Yet neither apologised for their choices and more so Akshu toh even illegally changed the name of the father in her child's birth certificate.

Armaan assumed Abhira had moved on and that Abhira didn't care about him or their child. That was his assumption which was wrong, which was why when he came back he made sure to apologise to everyone he felt he had hurt when he left - most of all Abhira. Forgiving him or staying away from him is Abhira's choice. That doesn't disregard Armaan's apology or him feeling that he needs to make things right. Armaan may not deserve Abhira, but he definitely wants to atone for his mistakes, which was why he wanted to tell Abhira about what he did 7 years back. Now how Abhira chooses to punish him is on Abhira. And knowing her, once she finds out the whole truth, she will definitely not forgive him easily.

IMO what Armaan did today is still so much better than what the FL's did in the previous 2 gens, despite being wronged by the ML's.

Naira didn't inform about kairav because she thought kartik will question her pregnancy and think that he will consider child as someone else not his. Still at the time of birth she called kartik but he didn't picked. In case of akshu she called multiple times after knowing about survival of their child but only reply he gave that he don't want to do anything related to her so she didn't told him.

In case of abhimaan, armaan started behaving possessive for his maira right after her birth he doesn't want to give it to abhira or don't want her to make any decision regarding maira. Even after all kidnapping fiasco he himself assumed that abhira doesn't want him or maira without making a single phone call. Had he called her and she refused that she doesn't want to leave this family then surely it was her mistake also but after 7 years he is apologizing what he has told 7 year ago and still he doesn't told her whole truth.

Originally posted by: Apsvenky

Really? Didn't Naira accept Karthik after he legit told her on her face that she had an affair with another man? Or when he was touchy freely with her after marrying another woman, knowing she was still alive? Or Akshu choosing to move on with Abhimanyu after the way he treated her badly and insulted her multiple times, because she felt he had changed & matured and she wanted to give her child & family another chance? Yet somehow the thought of Abhira going back to Armaan after the truth comes out somehow makes her a "doormat" and the "worst FL in the fictional world"? Really?

Kartik regretted for 5 years, there wasn't self-victimization but only guilt and self-blame (just like Abhira) infact he isolated himself in a room where Kartik counted days he spent without Naira. That room was a jail for him. When Naira returned he felt betrayed because she not only kept him away from the child, but let him live in the guilt of her death too. Abhimanyu completely changed in 6 years, even after knowing what Akshu did he didn't want to separate mother-child, he gave up custody even when he get to spend time with his son after six long years. Abhimanyu let another man take fatherly rights in his place for his son's happiness. He supported Ak over his mother, he agreed to accept her unborn child and left his mother when she was adamant not to accept Abhinav's unborn child.

If Armaan has similar regret or redemption for 5-6 years after Pookie's truth revelation, even if it is for 1-2 years and then Abhira accepts him, I will have no problem.

@red Abhira is NOT the worst FL in the fictional world for me. I'm watching the show for her. Why would I consider her worst? It's just that I can't support her when she is wrong or illogical. I can't be a blind fan.

Originally posted by: Sajini235

Only to dump anshumaan and run back to that nalla in kkhh anjali style? 🤪.....Naah, I will celebrate only if she really marries anshuman rejecting ar 👋.

If it happens, then lets bash Ab again. But now lets appreciate that she is ready to move on. Future story keliye abhi se disappoint kyun hona?! May be seeing popularity of Abhiansh, makers can make them marry

Originally posted by: Pn29

Naira didn't inform about kairav because she thought kartik will question her pregnancy and think that he will consider child as someone else not his. Still at the time of birth she called kartik but he didn't picked. In case of akshu she called multiple times after knowing about survival of their child but only reply he gave that he don't want to do anything related to her so she didn't told him.

In case of abhimaan, armaan started behaving possessive for his maira right after her birth he doesn't want to give it to abhira or don't want her to make any decision regarding maira. Even after all kidnapping fiasco he himself assumed that abhira doesn't want him or maira without making a single phone call. Had he called her and she refused that she doesn't want to leave this family then surely it was her mistake also but after 7 years he is apologizing what he has told 7 year ago and still he doesn't told her whole truth.

Agree. That's why in his apology today he specified that his mistake was that he assumed a lot of things which weren't true. Thats why he knows he made a mistake. He chose to stay away for 7 years because he felt she moved one without him. Then why would he call? He never got any inclination that Abhira would be looking for him or suffering so much. When he came back and found out the truth, he has been in constant guilt. That doesn't absolve him in anyway. What he did was a horrible thing that shouldn't have been done. But that doesn't mean his choice to atleast try to make amends is him trying to manipulate her in anyway. He wants to apologise so that Abhira also understands that 7 years back what happened wasn't her fault. So that she can get over her dear of " galti nahi honi chahiye", that she understands that Armaan also feels that she would have been the beat mom to Pookie all these years if he gave her a chance. That's what the apology was for. Not to get Abhira back. But to reassure her that she has always been right. And as much as we would want to think otherwise, Armaan was the only on who could have done it. That's why I said Armaan today went one step ahead. He acknowledged his mistakes and tries to make Abhira feel better about the wounds he have her 7 years back. Can that get the list time back - of course not. But it's still a step in the right direction for Abhira to heal herself. And that opportunity neither Naira nor Akshu gave to their respective partners, even if they were wronged.

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Originally posted by: ShadowImbue

Kartik regretted for 5 years, there wasn't self-victimization but only guilt and self-blame (just like Abhira) infact he isolated himself in a room where Kartik counted days he spent without Naira. That room was a jail for him. When Naira returned he felt betrayed because she not only kept him away from the child, but let him live in the guilt of her death too. Abhimanyu completely changed in 6 years, even after knowing what Akshu did he didn't want to separate mother-child, he gave up custody even when he get to spend time with his son after six long years. Abhimanyu let another man take fatherly rights in his place for his son's happiness. He supported Ak over his mother, he agreed to accept her unborn child and left his mother when she was adamant not to accept Abhinav's unborn child.

If Armaan has similar regret or redemption for 5-6 years after Pookie's truth revelation, even if it is for 1-2 years and then Abhira accepts him, I will have no problem.

@red Abhira is NOT the worst FL in the fictional world for me. I'm watching the show for her. Why would I consider her worst? It's just that I can't support her when she is wrong or illogical. I can't be a blind fan.

You just said in your post that no FL in the fictional world will accept what she did - that's where I drew my conclusion.

On what you mentioned for Karthik & Abhimanyu, even Armaan has been in utter guilt after he realised just how badly his actions have affected Abhira. He has tried to tell her the truth twice already and today made Abhira realise that what happened 7 years back was his mistake alone and that Abhira is not just blameless, but that he had done complete injustice to her and her motherhood by questioning it 7 years back. We cannot say what they will do in the future and if Armaan will be punished or what consequences he will face. But on that assumption calling Abhira names today because she felt that her husband wants to give their relationship another chance based on the limited information she has, doesn't seem right to me atleast.

Originally posted by: Apsvenky

Which is why when Naira came back or even Akshu for that matter never apologised for anything. Keeping a child away from his father and not telling them about said child is a crime. They too did a sin by keeping the child from its father, especially when that child has no danger from his father. Yet neither apologised for their choices and more so Akshu toh even illegally changed the name of the father in her child's birth certificate.

Armaan assumed Abhira had moved on and that Abhira didn't care about him or their child. That was his assumption which was wrong, which was why when he came back he made sure to apologise to everyone he felt he had hurt when he left - most of all Abhira. Forgiving him or staying away from him is Abhira's choice. That doesn't disregard Armaan's apology or him feeling that he needs to make things right. Armaan may not deserve Abhira, but he definitely wants to atone for his mistakes, which was why he wanted to tell Abhira about what he did 7 years back. Now how Abhira chooses to punish him is on Abhira. And knowing her, once she finds out the whole truth, she will definitely not forgive him easily.

IMO what Armaan did today is still so much better than what the FL's did in the previous 2 gens, despite being wronged by the ML's.

That's your perspective, because if apology matters the most then Abhira asking Armaan to meet Vidya because she wanted to apologize, wasn't wrong. Armaan should've apologized her for the first time, yes he agreed to meet her, but could only apologize her and lived with her when her son Rohit died. From your perspective, Armaan will always be superior to any other character no matter he does and that's completely fine, as it's your choice and perspective

But for discussion's sake Naira and Akshu cannot be compared with Armaan as they were victims unlike Armaan. Questioning your wife's character is a sin, so Naira's sin of separating Kairav from Kartik came directly from her fear that he will question paternity of the child and she saw him talking against her when she returned and thought he still hates her. Both were equally wrong. If Naira was wrong Kartik was equally wrong. Akshu was blamed for Neil's death and her own child's death, she was divorced while having a miscarriage, she tried to inform Abhimanyu about Abhir, but he didn't listen to her. Akshu was still sinful in separating father and son. But being blamed for your own child's death and divorced makes her a victim just like Abhimanyu who lost his brother and their child. What did Armaan lose that day to make him a victim? For a mother there can be no bigger guilt then being the reason of her child's injury, disappearance or hurt. Abhira lived with that guilt for 7 years! She was abandoned by Armaan, even when he found Pookie safe. Armaan didn't face even 5% of what Naira and Akshu faced to be called victim, he considers himself to be. Nothing can justify what Naira and Akshu did similarly nothing can justify what Kartik and Abhimanyu did. Here Armaan's comparison isn't with Naira/Akshu it is with Abhira. What did she do to Armaan to be distanced from her child from the time Pookie was born? Did she wrong Armaan the way Kartik/Abhimanyu wronged their partners?

I won't say much on earlier gen mls coz I haven't watched them completely. About previous fls hiding about babies, they were also wrong to do that but as I know both leads were at fault in whatever happened right before kids leap. Here only ar is at fault.

Why abhira shouldn't go back to ar? Simple, coz he was a narcissist from day one. He never had redemptions, only whitewashings or got a free pass in the name of trauma. He keeps hurting, insulting abhira, then drops few tears, plays victim, abhira forgives and he does something more terrible next time....and the loop continues. If abhira breaks free from this, good for her. If not,its her choice to give ar the chance to hurt, insult & betray her for the nth time. I am even okay with abhira staying single, if she can walk out from this toxic relationship with ar in real sense. Coz, lets be honest, seeing ar's past records, noone can guarantee that he won't hurt and break abhira again.