Shrimad Ramayan Daily Episode Discussion ~ 01 Feb, 2025 - Page 15

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

As per Valmiki Ramayan (alleged extrapolated chapters), Sita wanted to visit sages on the banks of Ganga and spend some time relishing in the spirituality. Ram agreed and promised to arrange for it soon. He then went to meet his ministers/friends and asked what they say about him in the country. They said all was well but Ram probed further and then they said people wonder why Ram doesn't feel disgusted that he accepted a woman who had lived with another man for so long. Ram was shocked and pained on hearing this and wondered what to do and reached a decision. He sent messengers to call his brothers and bring them to him as soon as possible. (Kings, princes and nobles had their own places within the palace grounds with the main palace being the largest. Hence it would take a while for people to reach from one palace to another. Sometimes it requires means of transport like a horse or a chariot. Using an elephant would be slow and they were reserved for special occasions and war). His brothers hurried to him and Ram told them what he had learnt. He says he doesn't suspect his wife but people do not want such a queen. Then he instructed Lakshman to take Sita in a chariot with Sumant as the charioteer at dawn.(I looked it up. It was dawn. Taking her away in the night would have raised questions and if Sita did not know of Ram's decision, she would question Lakshman or even refuse to go). Ram also mentioned that on the other side of Ganga sage Valmiki's Ashram was on the banks of Tamasa. It is in a solitary spot he must leave her and return back. He says anyone trying to deter him from this resolved or if anyone opposes him, he'll consider them his enemies. Lakshman, although pained, had to follow. He understood that Ram cannot ask this of anyone else and he was the most trusted for this mission (Lakshman knows the place very well since they traveled that very same path while beginning and ending their exile and also would know where to leave Sita strategically. She was left in the forest, close to the Ashram but not just outside. There is a chance that something might befall her but the best he can do at that point would have been this. Also, Rama knew Sita was capable enough to manage for a few hours until she was taken in by someone from the Ashram. Lakshman hinted that she should live for her children before leaving. Sita was distraught but when sage Valmiki saw her (Valmiki's Ashram folks saw her and reported it to the sage. He understood who it was and came over) he consoled her and reminded her of the kids and took her to the Ashram and tells everyone that she is the chaste queen of Rama, Sita, and she would stay here with them and also that she will soon give birth and they have to aid her in every way possible. Everyone in the Ashram knew she was Sita and took care of her and the kids were born. The kids also knew who they were, who their father and mother were as they grew up in Valmiki Ashram and they also learned the arts of warfare and statecraft from the sage. Rama definitely wondered what happened to Sita but when he was alone. He never mentioned it to anyone so that others won't worry and he probably won't be able to handle saying it out loud. Shathrugan, on his way to Madhura/Madhupur spent the night at the Ashram on the night Luv Kush were born. There's a high chance he would have mentioned it to Rama and Rama chose to keep it secret. In some versions, Shathrugan returns briefly after killing Lavanasur, meets Ram and information him what happened in the Ashram and Ram tells him not to tell anyone and he obeys. In other versions, Shathrugan returns after 12 years (after killing Lavanasur and establishing his kingdom) and says he cannot be apart from Rama any longer. Ram says he can stay for a week but has to go back after that. Maybe he tells Rama about his wife and kids in the Ashram at this point. Later, when the kids sing the Ramayan in front of everyone during the Ashwamedha Yagya, it was mentioned in Valmiki Ramayan that Ram realised that they were his and Sita's children. Maybe he saw the similarities between his family and them, or recognised Sita's characteristics or Shathrugan might have told him/reminded him at this point. In some versions, Ram sends people to inquire about the kids and finds out they're his and Sita's children.

People did not demand an AgniPariksha of their queen. They simply wondered and gossiped if it was alright for Rama to accept Sita. People will not directly question Rama's decision. To avoid the gossips and doubts, Rama spoke harshly to Sita so that she would prove herself and the doubts end there. But sadly that wasn't the case. She wasn't stopped before Agni Pariksha because it was between husband and wife and they cannot intervene but everyone were sad that such a decision had been taken. Sita did live on for her kids but I don't think she wanted to be queen again. She probably wanted to settle her sons and leave the earth.

This is different information from whatever I had seen so far

Ramji knew abt Sita and kids

Kids knew who r their parents

Ashram vasis knew too

Toh gadbad Kahan hai. 😳😳😳😳

Originally posted by: RedRobin1

Even then so many people spoke against Shri Rams decision and so many people spoke rubbish too. All in all a sad story. All four brothers did Vanvas for fourteen years because Shri Ram did. Shri Bharat observed severe penance for fourteen years. He was ready to jump into the fire if Shri Ram did not come back as promised. If Shri Ram did Yagyas with his sons after coronation how could he do it without his wife? And as for Luv and Kush when they had their mother they did not know their father. When they got their father they lost their mother. When Shri Ram did Jala Samadhi half of Ayodhya went with him. The story is so sad. But we learn life lessons from it. As for the TV show if Shurpanaka can visit Mithila why cannot Shr Ram and Mata get back together?

Nobody spoke against Rama when he banished Sita since they really couldn't intervene. Rama ordered Lakshmana to leave Sita in the forest and says anyone who tries to disuade him will be seen as his enemies. Nobody spoke against it or mentions it afterwards.

All 4 brothers, their wives and the royal family took up austerities to see Rama safely back and become king. The entire kingdom waited for it. Valmiki Ramayan ends the story with the coronation and everyone living happily, it was in these parts Valmiki mentions that Rama spends a lot of time in love with Sita but towards the end it is mentioned that he does a lot of sacrifices with his sons, probably with the golden statue but it is not explicitly mentioned. The later chapters and Utttar Kand mentions that he does so with the golden statue. As for Ramayan before Uttar Kand, those are my thoughts exactly. How can he perform yagyas without his wife, but we don't know since Valmiki does not mention anything. In fact, his epic centers around Rama and he does not mention others unless it is in relation with Rama. Hence information about other characters are not known much. Even Shathrugan is not mentioned much in the epic.

No doubt what happened (if it really happened) was a tragedy but what more could be done? What I don't understand is why Rama is blamed so vehemently. This is similar to people glorifying Karna and insulting Arjuna. Let's examine the situation. Rama made sure he did everything righteously and even made his wife undergo a test before installing her his queen. But people were still not happy. In fact, it wasn't the question of chastity. It was merely the fact that she had stayed away from her husband in another man's home and it didn't matter if she was forcibly kept captive. People wondered and gossiped why Rama was not disgusted/revolted/repulsed in bringing back and accepting a woman who has lived in another man's home. In my opinion this feels completely baseless and just people finding a target to bully much like people today, hence my doubts if this really happened but it could have since people those days were uneducated. People in a kingdom are to be considered the king's own children. Kings, especially righteous ones, are ahead of their time. They would think far into the future, just like parents about their children. If your own child does not understand some complex philosophies and throws a tantrum, as a parent, we do make sacrifices. It is done out of love and care and not out of a desire to punish anyone.

Let's compare it with another scenario. We are always told that to worship gods we have to be clean. Let's say a woman who goes to the temple was pushed by another person. She gets up, dusts herself off and goes to the temple. People who have heard (not even seen, but just heard) that she had fallen think she is dirty when she isn't and keep saying and gossiping that she is unclean. What can be done? Can she fight against everyone? They're not going to listen even if a proof is presented before them. They're still going to question her motives. "You're doing this just because you want to show yourself as clean and not out of devotion." Firstly, asking Sita to prove herself a second time is an insult (that was what pushed her into leaving this realm). Secondly, even if she does so, people will again gossip that she is doing it because she wants to be queen. They have found a target to bully and bullies won't leave their targets alone that easily. It will be one thing after the other.

Another scenario. Let's say a "good, righteous and respectable" family is living in the neighbourhood. One day, a criminal kidnaps the daughter/daughter-in-law of the house. The family/husband fights the criminal and gets her back. But people start bad mouthing saying how can "such a noble good... blah blah" family accept someone who is soiled. Firstly, after that ordeal, the woman needs a good environment and peace. If that cannot be obtained in the society, the only thing the family can do is send her to another place for a fresh start. If the family has an establishment and duties in the place, they cannot all go to another place. The best is to send the woman away to a new place - this way, they can keep peace with the society and give the woman another chance at life. Its not fair but that's just how the society is, back then and even now. Sending her way, especially if she is pregnant, will give her a better and healthy environment. Although the family will miss her and she will miss them, its better for her and the child. For her safety, they will not disclose where they sent her and not talk about her. If they know where she is, people will find out. There are people who will extract information somehow or the other. The woman and those she lives with will be troubled if people try to visit or contact them, even if by chance. Let's say they know that she is living in a city A. If someone from this society passes by city A, they might try to find information about the woman and start another gossip chain again. Also, knowing where the woman is does not make it equivalent to sending her away, since they can still be in touch. The family also refuses to speak more about the matter so that people don't harass them and they don't want to hear any more nonsense about their loved one who was sent away. There are strict orders not to speak about it or try to argue with them about this - for everyone. Logical, is it not? The family/husband made the right decision? Then why is Rama blamed so much for doing the very same thing?

For someone who is praised as a righteous one, he had to leave his kingdom behind for 14 years. When he came back, he had to send away his wife, whom he won after a huge war in which he almost lost his brother who is very dear to him. After such a huge feat, he had to prove to everyone he was doing the right thing by taking back his wife with him. After getting crowned and when life was looking good with his children on the way, he had to send away his wife. Wouldn't he have been pained? When he was doing so much for the world, he couldn't prevent his wife from getting kidnapped and imprisoned, his wife whom he loved so much was tortured for months, after he owns the entire country he doesn't get to keep his wife with him and has to send her away. He had to send her away when she was full term pregnant, when he had to take care of her the most. He'll never be there when his kids are born. He will never know his kids. Of course, he can see his brothers' children but his own will be out in the wilderness. His children will probably hate him for what he has done. He cannot see his children succeed after him. His own family is over with him. Most probably he has to install Bharat/Lakshman or their kids as king after him. Not being able to know his own children would have pained him greatly. I am not saying Sita did not suffer. Both Rama and Sita suffered in their own way. But just saying it was injustice only to Sita is unfair. It was injustice to both of them. They both did what they could and did their best. It is indeed tragic but they still won fate. I am not pitying Ram (or Sita for that matter), never that, its far from it. I am pained that they never got to live happily ever after and also in awe of how they handled the entire situation. They should have never been subject to all this but, it happened, and there's nothing that can be done.

In every Ramayan production, I sincerely hope they would show nice family moments. Even if it is not really true, it would be nice to see.

Originally posted by: chatterbox

This is different information from whatever I had seen so far

Ramji knew abt Sita and kids

Kids knew who r their parents

Ashram vasis knew too

Toh gadbad Kahan hai. 😳😳😳😳

All for the sake of a dramatic story.... They have to justify Luv Kush fighting their father. They wouldn't fight if they knew that Ram was their father. If they knew and fought him, it doesn't make sense that they stop fighting.

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

All for the sake of a dramatic story.... They have to justify Luv Kush fighting their father. They wouldn't fight if they knew that Ram was their father. If they knew and fought him, it doesn't make sense that they stop fighting.

By the way, the war never happened in Valmiki Ramayan neither did the Swayamvar

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

All for the sake of a dramatic story.... They have to justify Luv Kush fighting their father. They wouldn't fight if they knew that Ram was their father. If they knew and fought him, it doesn't make sense that they stop fighting.

Yeh sab padh ke lagta hai

Maine kaunsi ramayan dekhi kya dekha

Well I m staying away from mytho history etcetc

Main yahan ramji ko badnaam kiya

Not acceptable..

Originally posted by: RedRobin1

https://youtube.com/shorts/EzwfdRvW4Gg?si=pUhvtaa3iZhh_N7U Watch this by artist Raja Ravi verma I am not able to post the link

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Its a beautiful painting.

I was fuming when I read this bit in Valmiki Ramayan. Again, alleged extrapolated chapters describing Bhumipravesh says the audience clapped, cheered and praised saying "Excellent!" as Sita was descending down into the Earth. Rama was in so much grief that he was sobbing and held onto a post for support. I am assuming the royal family was silent since nothing was mentioned. Maybe Luv Kush understood their mother's decision but would still be sorrowed to lose her. Rama was beyond consoling and it turned to uncontrollable anger. He pulled out his bow and was ready to destroy the earth to bring back his wife. I totally understand his anger.

Kusha was crownded king of Ayodhya after Rama and he promptly shifted his capital from Ayodhya to another city he built and named Kushavati. Totally understand this move since he had nothing tying him to the city that caused his mother's passing after his father too left. After a while, the presiding deity of Ayodhya came to him in a dream (in some versions she came in person) and pleaded him to shift back to Ayodhya. She reasoned with him saying she was the deity of a land that was divine and now, because he (and everyone) left, she was desolate. She asked him why he blames the land for the actions of people who have long left the earth. Kusha agrees and moves back to Ayodhya reigning the land with Ayodhya as capital again.

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

To post a link, just copy paste it and move to the next line

Its a beautiful painting.

I was fuming when I read this bit in Valmiki Ramayan. Again, alleged extrapolated chapters describing Bhumipravesh says the audience clapped, cheered and praised saying "Excellent!" as Sita was descending down into the Earth. Rama was in so much grief that he was sobbing and held onto a post for support. I am assuming the royal family was silent since nothing was mentioned. Maybe Luv Kush understood their mother's decision but would still be sorrowed to lose her. Rama was beyond consoling and it turned to uncontrollable anger. He pulled out his bow and was ready to destroy the earth to bring back his wife. I totally understand his anger.

Kusha was crownded king of Ayodhya after Rama and he promptly shifted his capital from Ayodhya to another city he built and named Kushavati. Totally understand this move since he had nothing tying him to the city that caused his mother's passing after his father too left. After a while, the presiding deity of Ayodhya came to him in a dream (in some versions she came in person) and pleaded him to shift back to Ayodhya. She reasoned with him saying she was the deity of a land that was divine and now, because he (and everyone) left, she was desolate. She asked him why he blames the land for the actions of people who have long left the earth. Kusha agrees and moves back to Ayodhya reigning the land with Ayodhya as capital again.

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Unko restrictions hote hai linkd post ke

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Originally posted by: chatterbox

Yeh sab padh ke lagta hai

Maine kaunsi ramayan dekhi kya dekha

Well I m staying away from mytho history etcetc

Main yahan ramji ko badnaam kiya

Not acceptable..

Happens in every mytho/ithihaas series... What's worse is that they turn every character, gods or otherwise, into the stereotypical soap bahu, for the entertainment of the new generation

With such advanced technology now, we can do so much more constructively but sadly, that never happens. People who have knowledge don't have the means - either they don't know or they don't care since they have to endure a cut throat competition to be be able to do so. Else, they have to earn by other means and do this for free. People who have the means are wreaking havoc...

Originally posted by: chatterbox

Beginner hai

Unko restrictions hote hai linkd post ke

So someone higher up in ladder can help

Is it? I never knew... Sorry...

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

Is it? I never knew... Sorry...

Ya forums mein bahut kuch change hua hai

I also was facing difficulty in navigating at times

Now it's almost a year since I m fully active here

And masti mein u know me number 1 😂😂

I still remember that rakshas funny thread we created in imagine ramayan show

Atleast wahan koi bhi distortion nahi tha