MHST EPISODE DISCUSSION THREAD #1 - Page 21

Originally posted by: rekha_crm

Arya and Janvi Kuch kare ya na kare... I hope Kian and Prince form a team and give this bhootni a run on the mill.

Bacha Chahiye ... Is what she keeps saying. So let her handle the kids first.

Thats a nice thought and i hope aisa ho jaaye cause anushka didi ko bacche ka bhoot savar ho rkha hai

Originally posted by: Swetha-Sai

Evil Vamp sister is taking P here with ML’s photo?

The only emoji that represents my feelings is this This was the scene that made me come to conclusion that anushka didi is more of a psycho and need an urgent help

To me she looked like a possessed woman. I think the makers are still deliberating the next track. They want to keep their options open in case they want to give it a supernatural twist. How lovely and original!

Anyway - that scene was creepy. And Anushka's monologue about Janvi snatching everything from her...her delusion is just another level.

I am actually disappointed at the lazy characterization. Just to bring in drama, they have conveniently turned her into a complete vamp. They had the option of making her more nuanced but kiske paas itna time hai. They need to churn out daily episodes and went for the most obvious solution. It could be TRP pressure but not sure how this track is going to improve it.

Another disgusting episode but at least we see that Suyesh is trying to get Arya busy with work apparently to make his father feel better. I still suspect he's doing this so that Arya gets busy over there and doesn't have enough time to monitor what's happening at home and protect Janvi.

Janvi's still suspicious of her sister so I'm glad she's continuing to investigate. I hate that Arya and Janvi haven't had one proper conversation today. I know he likes to help people so he rescued Anushka with good intentions but he didn't once notice how bad Janvi felt at the way he was touching Anushka? That's not the Arya we know. Ugh, I hate that they're doing this to him.

The scene with the kadhai being flipped and Janvi salvaging her food without any issues is an indication that she can think out of the box and fend for herself when it comes to the hyenas in that mansion. It seems like this track is for her to be proactive and needing to help Arya see the big picture. But in all this, I'm concerned that they aren't building their relationship as a married couple should, despite all the turmoil they've been through to become one. Dadi saw it all and I hope she's going to give Janvi the right counsel. Pushkar, of course, didn't disappoint and will choose to help Anushka kick Janvi out. He's such a disgusting man.

Originally posted by: NotYourType

To me she looked like a possessed woman. I think the makers are still deliberating the next track. They want to keep their options open in case they want to give it a supernatural twist. How lovely and original!

Anyway - that scene was creepy. And Anushka's monologue about Janvi snatching everything from her...her delusion is just another level.

I am actually disappointed at the lazy characterization. Just to bring in drama, they have conveniently turned her into a complete vamp. They had the option of making her more nuanced but kiske paas itna time hai. They need to churn out daily episodes and went for the most obvious solution. It could be TRP pressure but not sure how this track is going to improve it.

+1 on the lazy characterization. I was afraid this was going to happen. I have a feeling it's for TRP reasons and channel interference because the tone of the story is quite different. They could have left it as a mystery similar to the shooting and the Sadhu tracks, the audience is used to that. But what they're showing now is something else. They could have shown her as a gray character which would have made Janvi's dilemma a very interesting plot point because she wouldn't necessarily be battling evil, rather she'd be dealing with a greedy, selfish sister (and brother). I think they missed a great opportunity here. I'm not sure how I can take these gross activities of Anushka's and at the same time digest the fact that the leads are the most distant they have ever been with no proper efforts by either of them to spend time together on their first day in the mansion. WTH!!

Arya will go through a lot of stress now on the work and the personal front. I won't be surprised if people try to discredit him at work so that he falls further in Brij's eyes and the lack of communication with Janvi is going to build up a lot of misunderstandings, resulting in a nasty explosion at some point. Of all ITV couples/shows, this is the one I least expected to have unnatural scenes like this and a complete divide between leads after an eventful marriage.

Originally posted by: serena_shadow

I wasnt able to watch yesterday got busy with work but thanks for this updateYour update made me want to skip yesterday episode. Will see today one if had time

Today's one had more of Anushka's cringefest but at least we had other characters and scenes.

We also learned that Arya doesn't check out other women, lol but I think they're showing another side to what's bothering Janvi, something she hasn't articulated maybe even to herself: she may not care about what happened in the past but she feels awkward thinking that her husband had a ONS with her sister. The look on her face as she saw Arya touching Anushka made me feel really bad for her. She could see that Arya was genuinely concerned about her safety but both she and I were surprised at how easily he was touching the woman he dislikes. He was clueless about how bad Janvi was feeling and how awkward it was. He should have called Janvi way before to give Anushka the sari instead of doing it himself. He knows enough about women not to have fallen for this but he did, and it's high time he established some boundaries.

I'm sad to think he will have missed tasting Janvi's first dish in the house and spending those precious moments with her.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Today's one had more of Anushka's cringefest but at least we had other characters and scenes.

We also learned that Arya doesn't check out other women, lol but I think they're showing another side to what's bothering Janvi, something she hasn't articulated maybe even to herself: she may not care about what happened in the past but she feels awkward thinking that her husband had a ONS with her sister. The look on her face as she saw Arya touching Anushka made me feel really bad for her. She could see that Arya was genuinely concerned about her safety but both she and I were surprised at how easily he was touching the woman he dislikes. He was clueless about how bad Janvi was feeling and how awkward it was. He should have called Janvi way before to give Anushka the sari instead of doing it himself. He knows enough about women not to have fallen for this but he did, and it's high time he established some boundaries.

I'm sad to think he will have missed tasting Janvi's first dish in the house and spending those precious moments with her.

This. I too feel it. I mean I myself am bothered with it being a viewer. janvi must be feelign it but maybe she is unable to understand/articulate it or even come to terms with it as he was ready to marry her despite her past. All said and done, Janvi is still inexperienced and innocent as far as relationships go. She calls herself mother and she is a mother except in physical sense but that physical part is still very important in the transition from a girl to wife/lover to mother. She has missed it and now her sister is there to remind her of that flaw.

Maybe she feels missed out. She does not have that connection to her husband that her sister has - sharing a biological child together.

She really needs to focus on Arya and Kian and forget about Anushka for some time. She needs to be with Arya, spend time with him, communicate and form a bond. It will automatically keep them safe from anushka but the girl is now in her detective mode, wandering about everywhere instead of being with her husband 🤦‍♀️

Originally posted by: NotYourType

This. I too feel it. I mean I myself am bothered with it being a viewer. janvi must be feelign it but maybe she is unable to understand/articulate it or even come to terms with it as he was ready to marry her despite her past. All said and done, Janvi is still inexperienced and innocent as far as relationships go. She calls herself mother and she is a mother except in physical sense but that physical part is still very important in the transition from a girl to wife/lover to mother. She has missed it and now her sister is there to remind her of that flaw.

Maybe she feels missed out. She does not have that connection to her husband that her sister has - sharing a biological child together.

She really needs to focus on Arya and Kian and forget about Anushka for some time. She needs to be with Arya, spend time with him, communicate and form a bond. It will automatically keep them safe from anushka but the girl is now in her detective mode, wandering about everywhere instead of being with her husband 🤦‍♀️

Exactly, she hasn't had that kind of physical intimacy with Arya yet and I won't be surprised if she's never had a man in her life because of how shy she appears to be around him. She was just 20 when she adopted Kian and spent her whole time struggling to raise him. Even when she was getting married to Sadhu, she seemed very awkward around him. We knew he was a villain but she didn't, and I guess that showed her inexperience with men in general.

If you notice, she doesn't usually initiate that kind of physical contact with Arya, except to hug him but that was when she was under emotional duress after they rescued Kian. I think if the bio mom had been someone else, then she might have felt less awkward, but to think it was her own sister has created some kind of mental block. If the roles were reversed, maybe Arya would have felt awkward if Janvi had had a bio son with his brother.

Arya knows she's got a lot on her mind that she hasn't told him about but maybe doesn't know the depth of her insecurities. I agree with you, that despite all she believes in general about the strength of a mother-son bond minus DNA (we heard her say that when Ujwala adopted the baby), she is bothered that doesn't share that biological child with him. Not only that, she wasn't part of the 'experience' that led to the conception of this child, and the fact that it happened when Arya wasn't sober probably also bothers her. Arya has always been physical with her, grabbing her by the arm, hand, etc. way before all this because he had been attracted to her from day 1 and maybe because he's more of a touchy feel person that she is (see his interactions with his family members too). The show doesn't openly address this but now that I go and watch older episodes, I see how the CVs have cleverly weaved this in every episode, every scene with them, so the attraction was there and very strong, as well as his sense of protectiveness of her. He has always been hyper aware of her and even more so recently. I am sure in Australia he must have dated some women, and it's not clear to what extent he formed those relationships. Of course, typical ITV where the ML can have whatever past but the FL has to be without a 'stain'. Ugh. Arya himself never cared about her past and assumed she'd been with a man, hence Kian's existence. Now that he knows otherwise, he might have to figure out that she's inexperienced in this and that he can't just expect them to get on with their lives without Janvi feeling more at ease around him.

There's another aspect to this too that we've been discussing here: Janvi hasn't fully accepted Arya or this marriage in the sense that she still thinks it some kind of dream and not her current reality. She doesn't feel like his equal and when Taiji was trying to kick her out, she didn't put her foot down to assert her rights like we've seen her do in other matters elsewhere. She feels undeserving of Arya's love and the title of his wife, especially since she saw the Bundelas' attitudes early on that had made her reject Arya's proposal a few times. She easily accepted Brij wanting her to leave Arya or even when Arya came to tell her they would be coming over to ask for her hand she was meek and only said hmm... Yes, it was partly her shyness but more her skepticism about them having a future together at all. It was only him being a tour de force and impulsively getting married that got them to this point, otherwise it would still be him trying to woo her or wait for her. He 'read' her feelings but she's never actually told him that she loves him or openly shown the same depth of emotion that he does. We only saw that when she tried to save him after he was electrocuted. The most we got was her saying on the wedding night 'don't you know that I'd never let any harm come to you?' Maybe she will start to feel possessive and that's when she will express her feelings to him but for now, she hasn't even told him she loves him.

Janvi was always worried about her in-laws not accepting Kian and her, and now that Kian's apparently their heir, she knows they won't accept her fully, especially with Anuskha in the picture as the bio mom. Taiji and Raina even said so and she knows how Brij feels about this topic. She never cared about being the adoptive mother all these years because it never disrupted her life before but now the taunts of family members will bother her because she lives with them and can't avoid them. Pushkar has always been horrible to her because of Kian, but she was still living in a separate apartment and running her own household, so she had her own space and could cut him off as needed. In the Bundela mansion she doesn't have this option and her life has been full of turmoil since the rainy wedding. I think she has a strong sixth sense and has just been feeling off. In the scene in the hotel during the Maushumi track, where she hit Arya with her bag she articulated her reasons as to why they couldn't be together, and while he said he didn't care about all that, the fact is that she's living with the extended family, not just him. So what they do will affect Kian and her - it's not black and white as Arya sees it and he can't always be around to shield her. I think we're also seeing that Arya is unable to spot this and address it. He thinks that locking them in will solve the problem but they can't just have their own cocoon when living with the family. We all wish the three of them would go back to Janvi's place but that's not happening any time soon.

I know she's adamant about not giving Kian up but I think deep down she's actually afraid that she may be compelled to if Anushka somehow proves she deserves this chance. This is in part driving her need to investigate Anushka's past ASAP so that she can find enough evidence of her sister's lies to console herself that she's not being unfair by keeping Kian away from his mom. Janvi's a good woman with a strong sense of justice so it's bothering her to even feel this way about Anushka. It would have been far easier for her to cut Kian's bio mom off if it hadn't been her own sister. From her point of view, she's married into a family who doesn't particularly like her (minus Dadaji), her son's bio mom showed up all of a sudden and is trying to emotionally blackmail her while appear to be a patient, her husband is the bio dad of the son she raised, her beloved Kian was conceived during a ONS where her now husband wasn't even aware of his surroundings, and she knows that the villains in that family will side with Anushka just for the bio connection.

Arya did ask her on the wedding night if finding out the truth made him fall in her eyes, and while she didn't answer that, I think she was trying to reconcile her image of him being this perfect man, her (and Kian's) hero, with now seeing his 'flaws'. I don't know if she has anything against drinking or alcoholism, but maybe she's of the school that believes that you shouldn't get drunk to the point where you're no longer aware of your surroundings and can make mistakes like this. She also knows that her sister actually took advantage of his state and didn't stop him. Of course, all this is a lie that the audience knows about but as far as Janvi is concerned, they both did the deed and Kian was left abandoned for years by both his bio parents. She shielded him from the taunts of society even though it meant her being maligned for something she hadn't done. She's been swept off her feet by Arya, things have been a bit too fast-paced, her little world with Kian has been disrupted ever since Arya entered the scene and she can't catch a breather from all the drama. She feels out of her depth and unsettled. I love Janvi for how strong she is and I'm hurting for her.

I strongly feel she's avoiding Arya deliberately and avoiding getting too close to him, so her playing detective is definitely a way for her to focus on something else. There's shyness but also a lot of hurt and confusion as to where she really stands in his life. She feels vulnerable because she thinks she has no tangible connection to him that works in her favor. Arya made it simple by saying they were now husband and wife and that that's all that mattered but she hasn't been able to embrace this yet. Otherwise, after marrying the man of her 'dreams' you'd think she'd want to spend more time with him, but no! Also what her sister told her about Arya accidentally hugging her and seeing them in the room later is really troubling her.

It may not be a big deal for Arya to pick Anushka up, rub her arms, touch her knee, etc. maybe because he has lived overseas where these things are common but for Janvi, who is a bit more conservative, it is a big deal. Remember how embarrassed she was at the thought of dancing so closely with him in front of people? This is the same Janvi. Her facial expression was less of jealousy and more of hurt, that her husband was so ok with touching another woman, that too her sister. I think her sixth sense is telling her that Anushka's not just here for Kian. She knows that Anushka liked Arya when she first saw him in the hotel 5 years ago, so that's playing on her mind. Women are usually right with these instincts. Maybe she doesn't want to tell Arya all this and appear petty, although I think she should before things really get out of hand.

There may be an inevitable separation on the cards where Janvi has to leave both Kian and Arya in the Bundela mansion and be all alone. If the CVs want to continue the current approach where Arya and she never get physically intimate, this has other implications for when the eventual custody battle happens. In order to discredit her and their marriage, they will try to portray her as either a woman who doesn't want her husband or whose husband doesn't want her.

Kian is their top priority and I won't be surprised if they (or at least Janvi) sacrifice their marriage for him, especially since being in the Bundela mansion means he gets raised with all the privileges and wealth that he has a right to as well as the fatherly love he missed out on for so long.

I don't know what to say about yesterday's epi.

The hurt on Janvi's face was hard to watch.

She knows Arya was just helping her sister but still the hurt couldn't erase itself.

Already she is undergoing a lot of confusion due to the sudden development of Kian being Arya's bio kid.

For Arya it's different now. His mind thinks only straight to the point that Janvi is the person he loves, his wife and Kian who he wanted to adopt as a son is now his own son. That's it.

He hasn't understood the seriousness that this makes Janvi the inexperienced partner in their relationship. He hasn't realised that that she might not have had any kind of relationship with men other than professional.

Arya who always picked up on her tensions is now suddenly dense. They've made him dumb all of a sudden.

One proper look at her face would have made him realise what she went through in those few minutes.

Thank god Dadi came and sent away Arya.

Janvi's sister is pure evil. How could you do that to your own sister...the one who cared for you during your difficult times and cared for your child all these years... Gratitude toh dur ek insaaniyat bhi nahi bacha hai Anushka me.

Pushkar and Anushka are one blood. They proved it. Don't know how Janvi survived her childhood with these two as siblings.

I'm glad that Janvi doesn't trust her sister for Kian. But now she should exert more caution and not trust her around her hubby too.

Unfortunately she hasn't really given much thought to her feelings for Arya. She hasn't been very vocal to him too. Now is the time she needs to do that. Even if she doesn't confess her feelings for him, she should atleast try to spend some time with him. Investigation is definitely needed but also proper communication.

I really hope that Dadi who knows Anushka's selfishness very well can guide Janvi.

I know Arya wants to give her space but I guess it's now that he needs to express his love more vocally to her... reassuring her he has only felt for her. That Kian is gift of chance from a ONS which he had no control on, that too with a woman whom he had never even met before. The woman just happened to be her sister.

It should be more awkward for Arya. But I feel that he's being civil to Anushka because she's Janvi's sister and another reason being she's just recovering out of a coma. He doesn't suspect her because he doesn't know her at all and because of the photos which Abhay showed confirming her story.

Yes..he should definitely try to maintain the boundaries and firmly ask her to remain in hers.

I think Janvi should definitely share with him her suspicions. At Least that'll make him more cautious.