"Mein" (ARY Digital) - Ayeza Khan, Wahaj Ali #4 [DT Note Pg 132] - Page 111

Originally posted by: arfanazneen

See I said many times, Asif is a criminal for a reason. You can't rationalise with them. About RJ, may be first time I thought he was trying to put her down deliberately but I still didn't like it but later on it was clear he was indeed going along the lines of SA. Atleast in my case, I am not angry with RJ bcz it would spoil Zaid MJ ship. I just find such topics used in every other plot distasteful. I meant no matter how bad a person is, when they face SA, it's the biggest crime & rest of the little things & problems will be brushed under the carpet just to show that person as a victim. In my opinion, SA is a very sensitive & serious matter & they should not use that as plot twist. Matlab kuch bhi hojaaye, suddenly insert the SA to bring a twist? Why? This was my point. They could have used any reason to make Zaid & Ayra leave that house. SA was not required.

Sexual harrasment was happening since last few weeks, assault happened today, it wasn't a new plot suddenly added there was a proper build up to it but I agree they are just using it as a tool to separate leads nothing else. You see how calm Zaid is with the news? He is asking Ayra to calm down, any other man would beat Rayyan to pulp for doing that to his wife, they turned sexual harrasment into a silly game of Zaid leaving the house instead of bringing charges against Rayyan. Same thing happened when Ayra's brother was killed, instead of bringing charges against Asif Zaid did drama of leaving home. Writer and director are disgusting so are all the actors for me for repeatedly down playing something so sensitive in their drama.

Originally posted by: SwatiSingh79

Sexual harrasment was happening since last few weeks, assault happened today, it wasn't a new plot suddenly added there was a proper build up to it but I agree they are just using it as a tool to separate leads nothing else. You see how calm Zaid is with the news? He is asking Ayra to calm down, any other man would beat Rayyan to pulp for doing that to his wife, they turned sexual harrasment into a silly game of Zaid leaving the house instead of bringing charges against Rayyan. Same thing happened when Ayra's brother was killed, instead of bringing charges against Asif Zaid did drama of leaving home. Writer and director are disgusting so are all the actors for me for repeatedly down playing something so sensitive in their drama.

About charges being laid against Asif, Zaid did try. The cops came to Asif’s house and said that Zaid had pressed charges against him but those cops were in Asif’s pocket so nothing came out of it.

Originally posted by: arfanazneen

So I finally watched the episode.

RJ is such an ass****. But was terrified after Ayra runs away. So he thought Ayra will just welcome his advances? Bcz which dumb person goes into the house & tries to assault?

Then comes Asif. I think he was shocked & didn't really know what to do with this situation. Yes, he should care about Kash & should not let her be with such man. But I think reputation matters alot to him & this will be such a scandal for him & Kashmala as well that his SIL did it. He anyway hates Ayra so the choice wasn't difficult for him. But he did look worried. He is anyway the villain so..He warns RJ. He did look ashamed & shocked of this. But I wish him to think of Kash eventually. Bcz letting your daughter stay with a potential rapist is 🤷 But he is the villain so cannot expect

Then comes Ayra. She lives. Good for her. What happened was horrible. But if you want to negate all the wrong actions of someone, then insert a sexual assault angle & boom the person is victimised. No matter how bad that person is, you can't say anything bcz of SA. But what a liar Ayra is. Tells bhabhi that Zaid didn't even bother to ask her whereabouts. Gosh! That man constantly called her. How many calls?? Omg! Jhooti. Only one time she received Zaid's call that to flex about Asif's 2nd mrg scandal. Bhabhi has more sense than this self absorbed Ayra 🤷 She will then blame everything on Zaid that he didn't try 🙄

So Asif asked Zaid to come back to Pak.

Now comes RJ's acting Infront of Kash. Man, he was terrified. Why did he even try that if he is that scared?

Also what a terrible actor. It was so funny. He couldn't even act decently. In addition to that, what a dumbo. When Asif said he will take care of that. Why the hell did he blurt it out about Asif locking Ayra Infront of Kash. Guess was terrified.

But I wonder what Asif would tell Zaid initially to prove Ayra is wrong? Will he tell how Ayra framed him with that woman. Ayra can't deny that. So, with that he can say if she can do this, she can lie about assault as well? But when it's SA obviously Zaid will take her side.. It's all a mess seriously.

Also why the hell Ayra says she will go to that house? She should have called Zaid first as soon as she came to her bhabhi's house. Also she should have immediately complained about RJ to the police. He should be arrested

Originally posted by: tgota92

ARY can never win with this show because on one hand they’re not doing justice to Zaid MJ and they’ll always get dragged for it. Secondly the whole show is about Ayra now so audience cares about her and wants zaid to do the right thing.

the only way forward is for Ayra to realise she deserves better and to divorce Zaid and he can go back to MJ 🤷‍♀️ He’s pretty much useless and miserable at the moment anyway. And then Ayra and Bhabhi can finally go on some world tour together and leave this mess of a family behind lol. The End.

This is how it went in earlier episodes too. MJ came off as someone totally terrible. She got a divorce in a humiliating manner, cried her heart out. We learned about her backstory, her vulnerabilities and support shifted in her favour. She married Zaid and although he wasn’t happy, people thought maybe in time they would be. Ayra crashed the wedding, Zaid learned the truth, couldn’t accept his marriage, Asif further tortured Ayra and her family, Zaid walks away from his family in support of Ayra. After everything his dad put her through, he had to fully support her. Now, he starts softening with MJ, begins to enjoy spending time with her and they make some progress but they come back to this. Again Ayra is the victim and the only choice Zaid has is to stick by her. It’s not that Ayra has been shown without flaw as some innocent person but Asif’s retaliation is always so extra. So now every time it’s Ayra being screwed over by his family and Zaid having to stick by her out of guilt. It feels like we’re in the same place again. The only difference is Zaid’s feelings for MJ which he can do nothing about.

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Originally posted by: arshi1983

Ayra could be the purest, kindest, and sweetest girl - a Nirma white personality BUT emotional compatibility is paramount for a successful relationship , so I hope she realizes this and calls it quits with Z!

She will but not before making Asif squirm 💪 I’m too invested in this battle

More than emotional compatibility it’s about getting space to heal from your trauma away from the triggers - Ayra legit has PTSD at this point so, she needs to prioritise herself and her mental sukoon. I just hope she can do that while simultaneously making Asif destitute financially and blasting Rayaan’s reality on SM. One can dream lol

As for Zaid… whoever ends up with him, my sincere condolences 😂 I can bet you anything at the end of this play he will once again end up living with his dad 🤦🏻‍♀️

Originally posted by: arfanazneen

Bechara seems like a good boy. Can't say no to some people. He needs to become a little harsh/practical I guess.. 😫 But to be fair, this was just 1 project post TB. That too, he must have signed it while MPHT was still ongoing for Badar. So people should give him some benefit of doubt

If he signed this during TB or MPHT - it’s still dumb 🤷‍♀️ Both those shows have him in a central role - a likeable role. An impactful role.

As far as Mein goes, it should have been fairly obvious from the first handful of episodes that this is not a male centric or equally shared play at all. This is basic stuff you check when you open the script - how many scenes do I have? What’s the writing like? Zaid is not just a poorly written role but he’s also stuck in a polygamy plot where he shows up for his damned if I do, damned if I don’t type moments 🤷‍♀️ It’s frustrating to see an actor of his caliber be sidelined like this.

Having said that, I do think Wahaj takes feedback and criticism seriously so I’m hoping he makes better choices in the future. Geo definitely has done more for him and his career so I’m glad he’s sticking to Geo this year.

Originally posted by: unicornhugs

Let’s watch the episode before gauging Zaid’s entire reaction. He should take a strict stance but I disagree that every man reacts by beating someone up. It isn’t the only way but he shouldn’t take it lightly. He has to do something, hopefully he will.

About charges being laid against Asif, Zaid did try. The cops came to Asif’s house and said that Zaid had pressed charges against him but those cops were in Asif’s pocket so nothing came out of it.

He’s just going to make that “woe is me” face and leave with Ayra - do the right thing but do it in the most bored way imaginable lol

I would be the happiest person to be proven wrong. I would be so happy to see him actually confront Rayaan and at least shove him against a wall - we all know he can do it, he did it to that goon at Ayra’s house - but I have zero faith in them giving Wahaj a good scene. I don’t even want violence - I’m okay with some legit silent fury too. Because the response has to match the crime man. This is not just about Ayra but also about his sister! Not to mention future MJ deserves a strong man too who can boldly speak up and stand for what’s right. So Zaid’s response should do justice to all three women. Hero hai yar, you have to give him a hero moment at least 🤦🏻‍♀️

Thank you for mentioning old Zaid too. That’s the Zaid I want to see. That’s probably the Zaid Ayra wants to see now too. I’m pretty sure he will leave with her but how he goes about it is the issue. Ayra literally said her Messiah is deaf and mute regarding her trauma so I can’t have Zaid proving her right lol
At the very least I need some good dialogues between him and asif

Originally posted by: unicornhugs

But then why waste time showing Ayra’s not so good side? It’s only when Ayra is completely a victim that the audience shifts position. All it took was a second marriage and MJ’s crying session with her therapist for the audience to sway in her direction. MJ had most people’s support even until last week even criticizing her for the childish games she was playing but then Ayra went through hell and became a victim again.

This is how it went in earlier episodes too. MJ came off as someone totally terrible. She got a divorce in a humiliating manner, cried her heart out. We learned about her backstory, her vulnerabilities and support shifted in her favour. She married Zaid and although he wasn’t happy, people thought maybe in time they would be. Ayra crashed the wedding, Zaid learned the truth, couldn’t accept his marriage, Asif further tortured Ayra and her family, Zaid walks away from his family in support of Ayra. After everything his dad put her through, he had to fully support her. Now, he starts softening with MJ, begins to enjoy spending time with her and they make some progress but they come back to this. Again Ayra is the victim and the only choice Zaid has is to stick by her. It’s not that Ayra has been shown without flaw as some innocent person but Asif’s retaliation is always so extra. So now every time it’s Ayra being screwed over by his family and Zaid having to stick by her out of guilt. It feels like we’re in the same place again. The only difference is Zaid’s feelings for MJ which he can do nothing about.

1. I think you’re overestimating the general audience’s sympathy with MJ. She hasn’t earned their trust yet. A lot of what she does can neatly be called getting brownie points from zaid to keep her marriage intact. Every time she takes one step in the right direction she negates that with something horrible. So she’s not there yet but last episode in Turkey was definitely a start. She’s getting there.

2. Ayra is Ayra and MJ is MJ. Just because Ayra does something foolish doesn’t mean MJ automatically becomes the better choice. Ayra has been given a backstory to sort of justify her irrational behavior and bias. MJ has been given mental health as a sympathy point. Both of them take turns and do questionable things that you can attribute to trauma or mental health 🤷‍♀️ Depends on who the writer is giving a bad week lol

3. The character of Ayra exists because she’s the only one who can

- challenge Asif and bring the whole social class mentality of his to a close. We all been knew that was wrong of him from the get go. And Ayra brings that to the forefront again and again

- make Zaid realise how selfish his choice was to marry again: pestering and pressuring one woman to marry him who suffered at the hands of his family and threatening the other into compliance. Ayra’s future suffering at the hands of his family is only happening to cement this wrong decision of his.

- force a proper genuine redemption arc for MJ. MJ eventually supporting Ayra and letting zaid/Ayra be will finally sell the true love thing. She will win the audiences trust because this whole Ayra ordeal is MJ’s test too. Especially since the wrong doer is her brother and her father and FIL would expect her to side with him. She has to make the right choice and for the right reasons

My only complaint from all this is that MJ will probably get to steal Zaid’s limelight too lol. She is the one who will probably find out the truth about Rayaan. But I want both of them to get scenes to perform and win the audience over. If they’re endgame they both need to earn it. And they’ll do it through this Ayra debacle. I don’t know what will eventually happen to make zaid go back to MJ but I do know he won’t ever divorce Ayra himself after this. It’ll just be unforgivable for the audience. Ayra will either eventually ask for a divorce herself because he reminds her too much of her pain or she can still die. Who knows 🤷‍♀️

You’re right in a way that we are back to square one (it’s a weird plot) but the motivations for the choices made by the characters now will be selfless ones and not selfish.

You also said “why do they show Ayra’s not so good side” I think it’s so

- endgame of MJ Zaid is acceptable. Ayra walks the delicate balance of being sympathetic *enough* yet not very loveable. She has great qualities like strength, resilience and courage, independence too but she’s not loveable. She constantly self sabotages and makes wrong choices too.
- Zaid loving MJ makes sense. He’s dealt with a difficult girl before so MJ flaws fit well with his flaws as a character and two flawed people being together works

- I don’t think her flaws are shown so Zaid can have a moment of realisation that oh she’s so wrong for me. And what are her flaws in comparison to the rest of them? Zaid made a vow to protect Ayra and no matter what he feels he will stand by her. If he doesn’t you won’t respect the character. So their future is up to Ayra, not him.

The show is not well written so these are just my speculations lol

Originally posted by: tgota92

1. I think you’re overestimating the general audience’s sympathy with MJ. She hasn’t earned their trust yet. A lot of what she does can neatly be called getting brownie points from zaid to keep her marriage intact. Every time she takes one step in the right direction she negates that with something horrible. So she’s not there yet but last episode in Turkey was definitely a start. She’s getting there.

2. Ayra is Ayra and MJ is MJ. Just because Ayra does something foolish doesn’t mean MJ automatically becomes the better choice. Ayra has been given a backstory to sort of justify her irrational behavior and bias. MJ has been given mental health as a sympathy point. Both of them take turns and do questionable things that you can attribute to trauma or mental health 🤷‍♀️ Depends on who the writer is giving a bad week lol

3. The character of Ayra exists because she’s the only one who can

- challenge Asif and bring the whole social class mentality of his to a close. We all been knew that was wrong of him from the get go. And Ayra brings that to the forefront again and again

- make Zaid realise how selfish his choice was to marry again: pestering and pressuring one woman to marry him who suffered at the hands of his family and threatening the other into compliance. Ayra’s future suffering at the hands of his family is only happening to cement this wrong decision of his.

- force a proper genuine redemption arc for MJ. MJ eventually supporting Ayra and letting zaid/Ayra be will finally sell the true love thing. She will win the audiences trust because this whole Ayra ordeal is MJ’s test too. Especially since the wrong doer is her brother and her father and FIL would expect her to side with him. She has to make the right choice and for the right reasons

My only complaint from all this is that MJ will probably get to steal Zaid’s limelight too lol. She is the one who will probably find out the truth about Rayaan. But I want both of them to get scenes to perform and win the audience over. If they’re endgame they both need to earn it. And they’ll do it through this Ayra debacle. I don’t know what will eventually happen to make zaid go back to MJ but I do know he won’t ever divorce Ayra himself after this. It’ll just be unforgivable for the audience. Ayra will either eventually ask for a divorce herself because he reminds her too much of her pain or she can still die. Who knows 🤷‍♀️

You’re right in a way that we are back to square one (it’s a weird plot) but the motivations for the choices made by the characters now will be selfless ones and not selfish.

You also said “why do they show Ayra’s not so good side” I think it’s so

- endgame of MJ Zaid is acceptable. Ayra walks the delicate balance of being sympathetic *enough* yet not very loveable. She has great qualities like strength, resilience and courage, independence too but she’s not loveable. She constantly self sabotages and makes wrong choices too.
- Zaid loving MJ makes sense. He’s dealt with a difficult girl before so MJ flaws fit well with his flaws as a character and two flawed people being together works

- I don’t think her flaws her shown so Zaid can have a moment of realisation that oh she’s so wrong for me. Zaid made a vow to protect Ayra and no matter what he feels he will stand by her. If he doesn’t you won’t respect the character. So their future is up to Ayra, not him.

The show is not well written so these are just my speculations lol

I disagree about the purpose of Ayra, they have not shied away from showing her flaws. She isn’t portrayed as innocent even though she’s definitely a victim. I don’t think being a victim erases all your flaws. Since this show is about Mein, I think her attitude is relevant. I also don’t think anyone, not even Ayra made a big deal about Zaid marrying MJ. I don’t feel that’s a point he is ever going to feel bad about and I don’t think he should either.

Yes Zaid made a vow to protect Ayra and he has. I can fault him on not handling the Rayyan thing right away but besides that, he’s been by on her side. It’s not his fault that the minute he leaves, she starts a petty little war with his dad who she knows is capable of criminal acts. Honestly the worst Asif would have done is degrade and ignore her if she didn’t start this. How do you protect someone who is continuously putting themselves in harm’s way? I mean if she did something great to put Asif in his place, I would understand her purpose but she was basically just instigating him. She has a responsibility of protecting herself too.

The worst decision was making that condition of getting his father’s acceptance before marrying Zaid. She could have lived with Zaid alone without biwi no.1. Or I would have loved it if she had some great revenge plot and didn’t really care to hold onto Zaid. She wanted both though and that was the problem. She wanted power within the house and Zaid to be by her side no matter what. To me, that’s her ego. She’ll do whatever and then act like Zaid isn’t there for her. It’s a two-way street. It’s just that something so terrible happens victimizing her so badly that Zaid has to be there for her. It’s always guilt and responsibility. How long can a relationship be sustained based on this?