"Mein" (ARY Digital) - Ayeza Khan, Wahaj Ali #4 [DT Note Pg 132] - Page 20

Originally posted by: tgota92

The love / in love thing is so interesting and would have benefited so much if this backstory had been incorporated earlier. Zaid would have been such a rich character and his conflicting emotions would have been so fun to see. Now, I’m not too sure how much justice can be done.

the “in love” thing I’m not buying yet. Not until Zaid provides his own perspective. All we can do is speculate 🤷‍♀️

lol there’s also the important question of HOW someone like him can even love OG MJ from so long ago - just the thought is nightmarish to say the least 😂
This current version is actually cute at least, OG Mubashira was horrible

Originally posted by: tgota92

The love / in love thing is so interesting and would have benefited so much if this backstory had been incorporated earlier. Zaid would have been such a rich character and his conflicting emotions would have been so fun to see. Now, I’m not too sure how much justice can be done.

the “in love” thing I’m not buying yet. Not until Zaid provides his own perspective. All we can do is speculate 🤷‍♀️

lol there’s also the important question of HOW someone like him can even love OG MJ from so long ago - just the thought is nightmarish to say the least 😂
This current version is actually cute at least, OG Mubashira was horrible

About your doubts about how he can love OG Mubashira.. I think they know eachother since their childhood. When you know someone since childhood you might just love them irrespective of how they are. I mean you can Love someone but not like them (you know what I mean?) Also if she was nice with him, he can fall for her easily. As we saw, she was nice with him and looked like she liked him (She thanks him also when he had stopped mohib from slapping her. That thanks was genuine). Zaid has moral compass I agree. But he is not that type of a person who likes people based on how they are. If he loves someone he loves them. He can overlook many flaws..

Originally posted by: arfanazneen

About your doubts about how he can love OG Mubashira.. I think they know eachother since their childhood. When you know someone since childhood you might just love them irrespective of how they are. I mean you can Love someone but not like them (you know what I mean?) Also if she was nice with him, he can fall for her easily. As we saw, she was nice with him and looked like she liked him (She thanks him also when he had stopped mohib from slapping her. That thanks was genuine). Zaid has moral compass I agree. But he is not that type of a person who likes people based on how they are. If he loves someone he loves them. He can overlook many flaws..

I can’t picture it. The drama itself hasn’t depicted any attraction based on personality at least. She’s been labelled extremely aggressive, rude, selfish, arrogant by Zaid himself.

Which is why Zaid’s perspective on this is needed. To give some depth to this. Was it an immature crush, was it just looks and confidence? What? We need scenes, flashbacks, some context to understand this backstory. It came out of the left field for majority of the audience and they took a double take on this new info. A lot more clarification is required before it can be made logical.

So all we can do is wait I guess

Originally posted by: tgota92

I can’t picture it. The drama itself hasn’t depicted any attraction based on personality at least. She’s been labelled extremely aggressive, rude, selfish, arrogant by Zaid himself.

Which is why Zaid’s perspective on this is needed. To give some depth to this. Was it an immature crush, was it just looks and confidence? What? We need scenes, flashbacks, some context to understand this backstory. It came out of the left field for majority of the audience and they took a double take on this new info. A lot more clarification is required before it can be made logical.

So all we can do is wait I guess

Believe me you won't get that clarification.. I don't know but these days ptv starts with a promising story but somewhere in the mid, the plots inserted are all same. Sexual assault, polygamy, badla. Then they don't tie loose ends and have a very rushed ending. When I had started watching ptv, I was really impressed with their format. Episodes under 30. Proper execution. But these days it's all a drag.. They increased the episodes numbers for the dramas but they don't give proper execution and closure

You know I get the bit where in the initial episodes it *doesn’t look like love* with Ayra - but I think Wahaj at the time just didn’t know she will end up as Zaid’s second wife 😂 Actors don’t get scripts that far in advance so it makes sense. He probably thought what we did - that he will be married to MJ and story will center around that. Which happened, yes, but Zaid’s arc continued to revolve around Ayra.

you can see a huge difference in the middle of the show with the Zaid / Ayra scenes (home, hospital etc), they improved tremendously. I think that was Wahaj finally invested in that dynamic because he had caught on. After all he had to sell it now. All of Zaid’s romance and grand gestures of love are Ayra centered so he had to sell it. And all those emotions and angst worked in favor of making the second marriage something the audience would root for. Which literally never happens. So this is unique in Mein. Because people were mostly okay with it.

so yeah I agree with you about the initial episodes but Wahaj definitely upped his expressions game later on around Ayra. Even in the BTS you see extra input from him in his scenes with her. Plus, call me weak but we do melt hearing him say so many ILYs ☺️

I wouldn’t put it past Wahaj for having improvised those 🫢😂

Originally posted by: tgota92

You know I get the bit where in the initial episodes it *doesn’t look like love* with Ayra - but generally it’s easy to disregard that because their scenes barely had any substance. It’s only when the pain and angst started that there was some life in the dynamic - which happened with MJ and Zaid too. The clash and emotions are what bring life to both pairings.

I also think Wahaj deliberately didn’t sell Zaid/Ayra in the initial episodes. And I have a theory why. I think he, like us, expected a Zaid and MJ centric story so he was saving it for that maybe. I firmly believe Wahaj early on had no clue about the polygamy storyline (he absolutely wouldn’t have done it if he had known). Actors don’t get scripts that far in advance anyway. As far as he knew, Zaid was marrying MJ and that was the story.

However, you can tell EXACTLY when he finally found out she’s not the *only* one he would be marrying 😂 Because the shift in the Zaid Ayra dynamic is so so clear in the middle of the drama - during the hospital scenes and when he comes to her house to save them from the goons - That’s the Wahaj who knows he’s going to marry this woman lol. And that’s when he began to really invest in the Zaid Ayra dynamic and the difference is very evident. Mind you, I’m talking about just Wahaj here. Not Azeekah. From his end he really did try to sell the “love” and “angst” and “chemistry” - what have you - which was NOT the case at all in the earlier episodes. And the Zaid/Ayra scenes improved tremendously from the early episodes of the drama as a result. You had substance now in the scenes and Wahaj performed better too.

Even in the BTS you can see his extra input with Azeekah in their scenes. So my guess is that once he found out about Ayra’s integral role going forward, that’s when he went all in. And he had to! Because the “romance” and all of Zaid’s “grand gestures of love” are Ayra centric. He had to sell it. Before he probably had no idea while shooting the beginning episodes.
He’s not the kind of actor who underperforms on purpose - regardless of the backstory with MJ. He just had no clue how integral Ayra’s role would be going forward and how his whole story will revolve around her lol

After Zaid and Ayra’s Nikkah, I thought we would see Zaid and MJ get closer but instead we got touchy, feely scenes between Zaid and Ayra. That threw me off for sure. I did notice that Wahaj was in his element there, and was romancing quite well especially in the clip and tie scene. Azeekah on the other hand wasn’t reciprocating - is it bad acting or was it to show she isn’t as into him? I have no idea if Wahaj just started adding the romance in on purpose or not. There weren’t very many scenes to facilitate that early on in their relationship. Everything was so mundane. Was the purpose of this to show that Zaid is really trying in this relationship? Not just fighting for her but trying to be romantic as well. We need to see that he really gave this a fair shot. Would it be a good look if he fought to marry Ayra but barely tried with her before moving onto MJ. I feel they needed to show the effort. I truly think he cares for Ayra and loves/loved her but it brings us back to the point that people here brought up. Is he is in love with her? That kind of love isn’t rational or logical and often you don’t have control over your feelings.

I know Wahaj puts in some input in his scenes such as the smile to Ayra after the Nikkah. I think someone said on the last thread that they didn’t agree with it but I felt it added to the scene. He wanted to marry her and he achieved that, it makes sense for him to be happy and try to share that moment with her. It was especially important since everything changed right after changed with Ayra’s demands that stressed Zaid out further. The tie scene though seems like it was already written in. It was too long and specific to be added in by Wahaj. Of course I think he added a lot of elements to it making it more romantic.

Maybe you’re right about him not having the whole script (btw he should really start seeing the script in its entirety before signing). The 2 wives thing never works in a character’s favour. I feel like if it was any other lesser known actor, he would get more hate especially since it wasn’t marketed this way. I don’t feel like the fact that he had feelings for MJ was just added in though because there were signs of it I feel.

Chemistry is absolutely subjective I feel. I went into this drama wanting to see the romance and I was excited to see his dynamic with Ayeza. But honestly the first episode scene and that thank you scene were so boring? It didn’t click at all for me and once they were married and the toxicity started - it was just hell to watch. I liked him dealing with her but not in a “oh I love their chemistry” way - it was more negative chemistry than anything. Which worked for the scenes.

I actually prefer the phase they’re in right now. This is where there’s potential for that spark. So far I’ve only seen it in the bedroom scene where she asks to get his clothes out. That felt real and the dynamic was genuinely cute. I dig that. But for the most part I’m just left wanting.

The Zaid Ayra dynamic just had more potential which Wahaj tapped onto later but he definitely did. The hospital scenes angst was good - I even have to give it to Azeekah for those. This woman can cry and cry well, I’ll give her that lol. And then the cute moments. It’s refreshing in a show like this where you’re starved for romance lol. So for me they’re not amazing but they’re cute enough to work. And she does bring out Zaid’s tender side which is always so so good to see. That first hug was ❤️❤️❤️

Idk how much scope MJ and Zaid will get to have such scenes but I think they can pull it off too if given the chance. But the chance is in the hands of Badar so who knows what we will get 🤷‍♀️

Originally posted by: tgota92

I can’t picture it. The drama itself hasn’t depicted any attraction based on personality at least. She’s been labelled extremely aggressive, rude, selfish, arrogant by Zaid himself.

Which is why Zaid’s perspective on this is needed. To give some depth to this. Was it an immature crush, was it just looks and confidence? What? We need scenes, flashbacks, some context to understand this backstory. It came out of the left field for majority of the audience and they took a double take on this new info. A lot more clarification is required before it can be made logical.

So all we can do is wait I guess

I heard a crazy conspiracy theory.

What if this was a retcon. The original script had MJ walking off and leaving Zaid but during shooting, they changed it to making MJ and Zaid endgame.

The theory is that makers changed the ending mid-way during shooting. That is why this MJ-Zaid dynamic had they had a past is not seeded in throughout and we see it in some scenes not others.

What plausibly supports this theory:

• The first poster that ever came out only had Ayeza in the center panel and around her were all the characters - Zaid, Azekah, Asif, Rayan etc. in equally sized boxes. Seeing the cast poster, I had also thought this would be Ayeza's story and journey. The couple shoots, OST and chemistry wali marketing came later It seems.
• Azekah complained about onset politics in her GL post. Does this hint at the story and her cktr arc being changed not to her benefit.
• The scenes at the hotel location was the last ones to be shot. I also saw IG pics while Mein was on air. What if they added this line in this shoot there to hint at a backstory to justify MJ-Zaid endgame. But this means there won't be any satisfactory follow-up or elaboration.

What do you all think?

Retcon is a very scary and legit possibility given how haphazard the plot looks now in retrospect. Maybe they thought central character walking off alone looks too woke for the audience lol. So one couple should remain at least.

idk if you heard but recently the writer of Mannat Murad came forward with complaints that half her story with the supporting cast had been chopped out of the narrative despite having been filmed. Which is why Mannat Murad’s last half has been so choppy and total nonsense. And omg that finale - the weirdest one I’ve ever seen hands down. So this stuff does happen when the director makes certain choices which are bizarre.

I literally will put nothing - I repeat, nothing - past Badar. For me it’s an execution crime not to have weaved in a backstory wayyyyy before if there indeed was one! Anyone with half a brain would have that much sense. So now yeah! Of course it feels like a retcon. Can you blame the audience? Only time will tell if there’s a satisfactory follow up. We need scenes man, flashbacks - something! Not just one line and then forgetting about it 🤦🏻‍♀️

Come back with all the receipts, Zaid 😂 Prove it or it didn’t happen lol

Originally posted by: hypnotoad

I heard a crazy conspiracy theory.

What if this was a retcon. The original script had MJ walking off and leaving Zaid but during shooting, they changed it to making MJ and Zaid endgame.

The theory is that makers changed the ending mid-way during shooting. That is why this MJ-Zaid dynamic had they had a past is not seeded in throughout and we see it in some scenes not others.

What plausibly supports this theory:

• The first poster that ever came out only had Ayeza in the center panel and around her were all the characters - Zaid, Azekah, Asif, Rayan etc. in equally sized boxes. Seeing the cast poster, I had also thought this would be Ayeza's story and journey. The couple shoots, OST and chemistry wali marketing came later It seems.
• Azekah complained about onset politics in her GL post. Does this hint at the story and her cktr arc being changed not to her benefit.
• The scenes at the hotel location was the last ones to be shot. I also saw IG pics while Mein was on air. What if they added this line in this shoot there to hint at a backstory to justify MJ-Zaid endgame. But this means there won't be any satisfactory follow-up or elaboration.

What do you all think?

Might be true. But in opinion, I don't think this is the case. I think they always had this in mind about Zaid & MJ having a history. Bcz the anniversary scene did give a hint. Ost- lyrics as well kind of give that hint. But yes, despite them having a story it could have had a ending where she walks away & later on decided to have an ending where these two are the endgame. But Wahaj said in some iv that they shoot multiple endings. This is maybe to see audience reaction and go with the ending accordingly.

About Azekah, Idk in which context she had a complaint. Bcz here in my opinion she has more screenspace than even Wahaj, has many long scenes with wahaj. Looks like Badar & big bang's fav. Changing the ending or not making her endgame with the hero doesn't mean they were doing politics with her per se. Can be bcz of audience demand. Also she seems to be in good terms with Ayeza and other cast in the bts and on insta..