Kerala story - Page 3

Originally posted by: Funtuss

Why sgould i cpntact these two bit losers? You pay them 2 rupess and tbey will say what you want them to

Conversion os a serious business. You think 11000 mein ladki pat jati hai

Come on. Post atleast one oncident where a muslim girl was trapped by these jokers.

Well it's the weekend and you will have a lot of time at your disposal from your school break. I'll leave that task to you.

Originally posted by: Manavi_kesari

In Uk also there is grooming gangs . This thread about Kerala story is truth n awareness about it .

Of course. Any kind of crime no matter who is doing it should be put on display.

Originally posted by: NathuPaapi

A few months back incident

https://www.opindia.com/2023/06/himachal-pradesh-man-chopped-into-pieces-rukhsana-no-communal-angle-police/

This is a really sad case above.

Muslim girl, in love with Hindu boy. Gets shamed publicly. Boy gets beaten up.

The maulana at the mosque addressed the people that this was wrong behaviour, they had no right to do that kind of moral policing and public shaming. Girls mentally suffer from this kind of exp. Je condemned the act of mob attack on the boy. The maulana are against these things.

Can't post link here, bec of fake and censored thumbnail.

Originally posted by: carisma2

This is a really sad case above.

Muslim girl, in love with Hindu boy. Gets shamed publicly. Boy gets beaten up.

The maulana at the mosque addressed the people that this was wrong behaviour, they had no right to do that kind of moral policing and public shaming. Girls mentally suffer from this kind of exp. Je condemned the act of mob attack on the boy. The maulana are against these things.

Can't post link here, bec of fake and censored thumbnail.

Maulana condemned it. Will the mob listen? Will this stop?

Originally posted by: Kyahikahoon

Maulana condemned it. Will the mob listen? Will this stop?

If the Maulana didn't condemn it, would it stop?

If he didn't condemn it, then most would say.. Why do the Maulvis' not say anything to condemn this kind of behaviour and make it stop.

Either way, would have been an issue, for most people... as I have began to observe.

However, more importantly, a video I watched yesterday, has been a huge concern to me since.

Now being a VM artist myself and being aware of technology's ability to create wonderful and not so wonderful things.. I'd honestly hope that it is fake.

https://youtube.com/shorts/04x4CbWaV0o?si=-ICwm6diUlyy6Nmg

However, the news article kind of supports,.what's shown in the video.

https://youtube.com/shorts/04x4CbWaV0o?si=-ICwm6diUlyy6Nmg

As we are on the subject of mob activity, I also have questions of my own. My questions are;

1) Will someone in a religious authority condemn this kind of behaviour?

2) Will the mob listen?

3) Will it stop?

The answer I'm hoping for is, 'Let's hope so'.

The first thing is aknowledgement of an issue and taking the first step in the positive direction to create harmony.

A postive influence can be a powerful tool.

Originally posted by: carisma2

The society being the way it is now, more accepting of interfaith marriages, things can get quite complicated. Let's admit, leaving Love Jihad aside for a moment. Muslim women also get targeted by Hindu men. There are cases of that happening too.

But so many times, couples from different faiths fall in love both sincerely and genuinely. They get married and they make it work.

More and more people can easily fall into this sort of thing now, thinking it's going to be the real deal.

Not just these girls who are quite simple but more modern girls from western countries make such mistakes like a simpleton. I have encountered people getting messed up with what I would call half-way love jihaadis. Although their aim may not be to to convert and marry the girls. But they get a kick of ego 🙄 from accomplishing their love trap where the girl shows interest in converting for them. It's not many people, but a few who get such sadistic pleasures of gaining self importance knowing that someone is willing to give up their family and religion for them and they continue stringing those people on.

Again.. this works both ways in both communities however.

And these girls, they are blind to their 'masters' faults and fake sparkle.

How is it interfaith marriage when the girl has to convert to get married to her Muslim bf? Aren’t they now belong to the same faith once the conversion comes into play?

Originally posted by: Lostin90s

How is it interfaith marriage when the girl has to convert to get married to her Muslim bf? Aren’t they now belong to the same faith once the conversion comes into play?

The society being the way it is now, more accepting of interfaith marriages, things can get quite complicated.

With this in mind, girls all over, not just in India will be more open to this ideology, that the society is more accepting of marrying outside your own religion. A while ago, people mostly married within their own caste, but slowly that mindset is changing and people are marrying outside of their own caste more commonly now. So the similar mindset is increasing when ut comes to marrying outside of own religion.

This makes girls a more easier target for those who want to create Love Jihad, as these girls probably are less likely to see the dangers that this one is not a genuine real deal.

Originally posted by: carisma2

In Islam a marriage is not valid unless the woman is a Muslim, Christian or Jewish.

And if marrying a man of non muslim religion, then he would need to be a muslim for the marriage to be valid.

So no cooling off period there.

Rem, that movie where Sid was a sleeper agent and Hindu, posing as a muslim and married a blind muslim girl for his mission? That marriage wouldn't have been valid as he hadn't changed religion.

herein lies the problem- there seems to be too many rigid instructions in Islam. When others point out it needs to change, you say it cant. And why not? Because it is the word of the Prophet and infallible. And then we ask, how do you know? Your answer will be the Koran says so. Its all so circular, and there's no breaking out of that. So there's no chance to amend the texts and reform. In this case, why should the rest of the world live by tenets the Muslims have made up to benefit themselves and hurt everyone else, or that do not stand up to modern values? (As an aside, various aspects of sharia can be seen as very draconian and at odds with civilized behavior. Where are human right people there?)

Imo, laws should be common for everyone. If a certain law makes sense, Muslims need better reasons in today's age than to say that something is forbidden in the Koran so cant be done. People from other religions are questioning everything, including their religion, except it seems for the vast majority of Muslims.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

herein lies the problem- there seems to be too many rigid instructions in Islam. When others point out it needs to change, you say it cant. And why not? Because it is the word of the Prophet and infallible. And then we ask, how do you know? Your answer will be the Koran says so. Its all so circular, and there's no breaking out of that. So there's no chance to amend the texts and reform. In this case, why should the rest of the world live by tenets the Muslims have made up to benefit themselves and hurt everyone else, or that do not stand up to modern values? (As an aside, various aspects of sharia can be seen as very draconian and at odds with civilized behavior. Where are human right people there?)

Imo, laws should be common for everyone. If a certain law makes sense, Muslims need better reasons in today's age than to say that something is forbidden in the Koran so cant be done. People from other religions are questioning everything, including their religion, except it seems for the vast majority of Muslims.

You do understand that Religious laws are different to Democratic ones?

It is not about law. Religious Rules are different from ordinary law. Muslim men can marry women of certain faiths and I mentioned those already.

If you are looking to reform things written in our scriptures- then I have a question for you... when will you start eating beef?

Funny how people want to change things written in our scriptures.. how about leading the way and changing them in yours first.

The whole idea of belief is that you believe in the religion with everything it comes with.

Law is not a belief... law can be reformed.. not Religious rules.

There's a difference.

I mean if people don't like our religion it doesn't matter - be happy with yours. Do not expect us to change ours. And let's get real.. life is not fair so if people feel hurt by certain things then it is what it is. I know hindu communities are very much set on same caste marriages and that is not even a holy requirement. So maybe for the concern of people that anyone has.. start changing that - starting in your own home religion first. That's my advise.

Here this topic talks about love jihad with forced conversion done with intent.

Normally when two people genuinely fall in love the other person will convert or they won't. Sometimes they end up as SRK which is not really allowed or they go the Aamna Sharif way and the Muslim converts to a different religion. It's rare but it happens.

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

herein lies the problem- there seems to be too many rigid instructions in Islam. When others point out it needs to change, you say it cant. And why not? Because it is the word of the Prophet and infallible. And then we ask, how do you know? Your answer will be the Koran says so. Its all so circular, and there's no breaking out of that. So there's no chance to amend the texts and reform. In this case, why should the rest of the world live by tenets the Muslims have made up to benefit themselves and hurt everyone else, or that do not stand up to modern values? (As an aside, various aspects of sharia can be seen as very draconian and at odds with civilized behavior. Where are human right people there?)

Imo, laws should be common for everyone. If a certain law makes sense, Muslims need better reasons in today's age than to say that something is forbidden in the Koran so cant be done. People from other religions are questioning everything, including their religion, except it seems for the vast majority of Muslims.

I can understand illiterates might believe each n everyworld from quran to be the final word of allah but i see that educated muslims keep justifying regressive practices mentioned in quran in the name of god. And they dont like when we question them on certain aspects because we hindus have suffered millions of lives and still do due to islam. They can not shun us from talking about it.

Carishma, i saw you complain about me to mods for discussing quran

But didnt warned you in the beginning to not complain if things didnt go your way knowing your over sensitive nature wrt your religion? And yet you kept bringing quran here in CA. I remeber how someone wished you happy vijayadashmi and you responded to the person sayimg happy "festival" to you too. I know it is advised to muslims to not wish non muslims during their festivals and i see nothing wrong with how you reponded so i already knew how strict of a follower you are.

But atleast you dont have to deal with people pretending to be muslims to "criticise" quran like how some people here pretending to be bhagwad geeta followers destorting its meaning n teaching strictly to defending hamas, halal, khalistani terrirism, bashing "hindu natuonalists", siding with pakistanis, usa etc etc.

When you yourself brought up quran and allah unwarranted n posted verses from quran in which you justify mention of "slaying kaffirs" i am obviously going to ask you why. Why should i accept what you propagate here silently?

See i told someone to not bring bhagwad geeta in this forum unnecessarily and the person kept doing it while keeping absolute mum on quran but later on when religious talks were already happening all thanks to you, i invited that person to share her knowlege about bhagwad geeta also. I wanted to know where in bhagwad geeta it is mentioned to support "muslims" in particular and to not worship politicians as how she claimed to have learned from.

I do not mind people discussing religion. You can not simply stop people from commenting once you indulge them in such talks. You gotta be tolerant about opposing and critical views no matter how inappropriate you may find them.

There are people here who called kanyadaan prostition and said fathers are pimping their daughters by doing kanyadaan and the topic whent on to 150 pages and a few more threads were created. The topic about kanyadaan was so famous that the mods also stickied it in debate mention and in GA to invite people to "discuss" from all forums again afrer a while. But no body went crying to mods when members including non hindus and non indians were "participating" in it and enjoying it to their heart's content.

I dont think i am doing anything others arent doing or havemt done on the forum for you to go on abusing n namecallimg me and to get my ip banned.

You threatened me to get my religion bashed..as of it hasnt been happening ever since the forum came into existance. Well the uears i have been here, all i have come across is hindu bashing and india bashing. BW was actuallu buzzing with political and religious talks for the longest time and such discussions were actually encouraged there. The difference though hindus and ginduism were at the receiving end. Nobody talked or preached about the "sensivity" and "hurt"... in fact those defending were warned and banned , so many left the forum due to the rampant bashing and authorities looking the other way as contrary to how attentive they are your demands and temper tantrums.

Be a little more tolerant and allow people to discuss and debate quran n islam...atleast as long as noone is bashing n namecalling muslim members personally.