Angad and Sahiba - Page 2

Originally posted by: hellodona

Actually Seerat pays heavily in og, Angad gets to blast her during pag phera and later she gets severe physical abuse at Garrys hands and still stays because she wants their wealth , idk why Vankar got a suicide track here and then again continued copying pasting, suicide track reduced ratings and they have been falling ever since. And Garry continues his crimes, he attempts murder of both Angad Sahiba. And Angads character keeps flipping between I love her to she is not worthy of me, i hope they make him more consistent here. One example: He ties her up and prevents her from stopping Seerat Garry marriage (which she tried 2000 times) and later blasts her for trapping Garry by faking her sisters pregnancy in og, I hope they give him some sense and character consistency here and he listens to Sahiba before blasting her.

Originally posted by: hellodona

No. I am saying I get your point and I would root for Angad despite his stupidity because he was the one who was lied to. But a rapist and unapologetic one at that is just not worthy of any sympathy. Writers killed his character with that one. There really is no reason to attempt rape, in future or past and that is just indefensible (except in itv of course)

Also they are copying nearly everything now so I am praying post truth reveal , he does not do what og ml did. Og ml , first thing post truth reveal insulted Sahiba saying I know you want money I will give you that since you proved me wrong. They changed the GuruDwara scene a bit from og and made Angad defend Sahiba before Garry so I hope we don't get such money throwing scenes again.

But yes, Angad is shown gentler as compared to Riddhi in og now. Riddhi continued his manhandling for a long time but Angad is less aggressive. Good change. I will still watch despite 200 flaws as I like the actors but Vanku needs to speed up instead of the dragfest, so many interesting tracks but we are still stuck in same loop.

Originally posted by: Radhika_r

sorry for repeating but don’t think the character was killed as you think and as I said opinions may differ. And for ITV it is a very insignificant scene to be taken normally and probably the public Who watch it and give the TRPs think of it that way too and which is why iTV also gives such scenes and then treats them like normal ones without much ado. Don’t think such scenes kill the character for many viewers and these are just taken in the stride as it happens in almost every show. They have to pace up the show that’s for sure and maybe cut out some scenes and make it a crispier version of the original as regional audiences are different from the Hindi ones

For me rape attempt killed his character fully and no matter what happens in future he has no leg to stand on or demand any justice. And Angad did not just attempt rape, even victim blamed Sahiba instead of simply apologizing. For itv audience it does not kill character, infact many famous male leads have attempted/raped their lovers and still the shows continued fetching ratings. For the sake of fiction I have to just ignore and pretend that scene never happened.

Anyways here is to hoping the show runs for decent time. Pacing needs to be worked upon. Despite the dragfest audience has stuck by the show but makers are testing everyone's patience with Seerat Garry story going in loop.

Originally posted by: hellodona

For me rape attempt killed his character fully and no matter what happens in future he has no leg to stand on or demand any justice. And Angad did not just attempt rape, even victim blamed Sahiba instead of simply apologizing. For itv audience it does not kill character, infact many famous male leads have attempted/raped their lovers and still the shows continued fetching ratings. For the sake of fiction I have to just ignore and pretend that scene never happened.

Anyways here is to hoping the show runs for decent time. Pacing needs to be worked upon. Despite the dragfest audience has stuck by the show but makers are testing everyone's patience with Seerat Garry story going in loop.

So true, instead of taking a male lead who harrass his wife, forced her and called himself her husband, deserve no respect. He is the worst husband... Even the mohtaz cheating looks smaller than this.

Originally posted by: hellodona

For me rape attempt killed his character fully and no matter what happens in future he has no leg to stand on or demand any justice. And Angad did not just attempt rape, even victim blamed Sahiba instead of simply apologizing. For itv audience it does not kill character, infact many famous male leads have attempted/raped their lovers and still the shows continued fetching ratings. For the sake of fiction I have to just ignore and pretend that scene never happened.

Anyways here is to hoping the show runs for decent time. Pacing needs to be worked upon. Despite the dragfest audience has stuck by the show but makers are testing everyone's patience with Seerat Garry story going in loop.

Whether for TRP’s or not, whether usually done or not, whether it was the norm or not - attempted rape CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be normalized or even worse romanticized as it is on ITV. This is the singular thing that has tarnished the character of Angad for many of us here (it’s a reflection on the character Angad - the actor VJ is doing a great job with the script he has been given although I wish the actors would speak up when presented with such scenes).

Originally posted by: NidhaA

Whether for TRP’s or not, whether usually done or not, whether it was the norm or not - attempted rape CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be normalized or even worse romanticized as it is on ITV. This is the singular thing that has tarnished the character of Angad for many of us here (it’s a reflection on the character Angad - the actor VJ is doing a great job with the script he has been given although I wish the actors would speak up when presented with such scenes).

Even more worse when they made Sahiba to joke about molestation attempt (during pagphere in Monga house) and Angad actually blamed Sahiba for such heinous act? They could have very will cut that molestation attempt track

Originally posted by: NidhaA

Whether for TRP’s or not, whether usually done or not, whether it was the norm or not - attempted rape CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be normalized or even worse romanticized as it is on ITV. This is the singular thing that has tarnished the character of Angad for many of us here (it’s a reflection on the character Angad - the actor VJ is doing a great job with the script he has been given although I wish the actors would speak up when presented with such scenes).

We can’t dictate what itv does . They go by TRPS and such scenes bring the numbers whether we like it or not .actors can’t dictate too . Just like it tarnished Angad for you it did not for many . such scenes are there for the shock and emotional value and the story itself did not make much of an issue of it and many take it without much ado . . We have to respect both kinds of people…. people who get affected and people who take it without much ado as it’s normal in ITV …..so it’s fine and here they gave a closure to the issue too . Angad here clearly called out Gary for getting him fully intoxicated and instigating and influencing him to act against Sahiba when he was not in a state to understand what he was doing and that is truly what happened. If Gary is made responsible for the Monga scam where we are clearly told that if Gary’s crime is proved it will absolve Sahiba and mongas then Gary being the culprit will apply more to this issue . So in a way Gary is the main culprit and they have closed both the fraud and this issue with Gary

Originally posted by: Radhika_r

We can’t dictate what itv does . They go by TRPS and such scenes bring the numbers whether we like it or not .actors can’t dictate too . Just like it tarnished Angad for you it did not for many . such scenes are there for the shock and emotional value and the story itself did not make much of an issue of it and many take it without much ado . . We have to respect both kinds of people…. people who get affected and people who take it without much ado as it’s normal in ITV …..so it’s fine and here they gave a closure to the issue too . Angad here clearly called out Gary for getting him fully intoxicated and instigating and influencing him to act against Sahiba when he was not in a state to understand what he was doing and that is truly what happened. If Gary is made responsible for the Monga scam where we are clearly told that if Gary’s crime is proved it will absolve Sahiba and mongas then Gary being the culprit will apply more to this issue . So in a way Gary is the main culprit and they have closed both the fraud and this issue with Gary

Blaming alcohol and instigation does not absolve intent - it’s akin to blaming a woman’s dress for the man’s heinous act. Plenty of people drink to forget their worries - do we see all of them attempting to rape another person? Things that are shown for shock CAN be shown properly - the romanticizing and trivializing is the problem. We all know rape happens but cinemas/ shows should show them for what it is - a heinous act. I wouldn’t expect anyone sensible to absolve Monga’s of their plan to defraud Brar’s and I expect the same standards for Angad Singh Brar’s attempted rape. As a part of a gender group that has been since ages fighting to have our own autonomy maintained , to not be toyed with, to be heard and to receive justice - I will voice and would reasonably expect women of today to see a sexual crime for what it is.

Shows and creatives should learn to do better and it’s only when people receiving these content start voicing their displeasure openly that change will happen. Else misogyny, casteism, racism etc will thrive on TV and however we wanna scream reel is reel and real is real - reel influences real , there are people who see this as normal and who ignore this as normal because no one bothers to think or speak otherwise. I do not want young girls growing up thinking this is love or marriage - believe me that happens. When I go back and review my initial fictional works in IF, I see the heavy influence the kind of shows I was watching had on them. I didn’t even blink at attempted rape and domestic abuse and as a woman and physician working with women, I can no longer in good conscience digest that in the name of entertainment.

Blaming alcohol and instigation does not absolve intent - it’s akin to blaming a woman’s dress for the man’s heinous act. Plenty of people drink to forget their worries - do we see all of them attempting to rape another person? Things that are shown for shock CAN be shown properly - the romanticizing and trivializing is the problem. We all know rape happens but cinemas/ shows should show them for what it is - a heinous act. I wouldn’t expect anyone sensible to absolve Monga’s of their plan to defraud Brar’s and I expect the same standards for Angad Singh Brar’s attempted rape. As a part of a gender group that has been since ages fighting to have our own autonomy maintained , to not be toyed with, to be heard and to receive justice - I will voice and would reasonably expect women of today to see a sexual crime for what it is.

Shows and creatives should learn to do better and it’s only when people receiving these content start voicing their displeasure openly that change will happen. Else misogyny, casteism, racism etc will thrive on TV and however we wanna scream reel is reel and real is real - reel influences real , there are people who see this as normal and who ignore this as normal because no one bothers to think or speak otherwise. I do not want young girls growing up thinking this is love or marriage - believe me that happens. When I go back and review my initial fictional works in IF, I see the heavy influence the kind of shows I was watching had on them. I didn’t even blink at attempted rape and domestic abuse and as a woman and physician working with women, I can no longer in good conscience digest that in the name of entertainment.

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. As long as such scenes bring in the numbers we will keep getting them and as you said the older shows had worse . Udaan one of the vj’s previous shows had even a cheerharan and that week got very high numbers so end of the day what matters is what brings in the numbers. ITV needs to be regulated strictly by laws if such things need to change