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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Alizba63

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The biggest reactions comes from "those audience" when meerab rejects or takes her time to understand murtasim. It's like murtasim is doing a favor by presenting the minimal human behavior to Meerab who lost her home, parents and identity.

It's a long road and I always thought our generation girls would be different but I'll be brutally honest. It was too much to expect. These girls were raised by "those women", the men who think they're second class and the society that just says log Kiya kahengy. Hence, a large portion of toxic viewers with internalized misogyny are infact girls 16-26. Sad sad fact. The olders ones understand better but can't say much due to backlash.

If we are talking about honesty then I think mostly girls feel that it’s cool to take men’s side. It’s not that they are raised by those women’s that’s why they are like this, those so called women’s never had any means to form their own ideas, their own views, they were forced to accept this system but girls nowadays has that freedom and if they still wants to overlook the basic part and is interested in following the crowd then it’s totally their fault and not of those women’s.
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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Kumuda-123

If u ask nooran she will say my MK is flawless, Ideal man. He doesn't need to change, grow, evolve.

It is meerab journey to know his worth 🤣

KMK has some faults but it’s not like he is not trying to overcome them, and I am asking this question as a neutral viewer, Is Meerub trying? She thinks her values and ideologies are the best so she doesn’t need to change that but people around her needs to change and she is not trying to adapt the surroundings, it may sound rude or orthodox but adaptation is the best quality any human being can have, world doesn’t work on our ideas, our beliefs.
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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: midniteangel

Lol!! N meesam was packing her bags for her travel to earth 😆


I was arranging for TB shuttle for her ab pata nahin mein uske saath stuck hogayi

Pehle mujhe toh koi bachao

How can I save her when I can't save myself?


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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Gundamwing


I was arranging for TB shuttle for her ab pata nahin mein uske saath stuck hogayi

Pehle mujhe toh koi bachao

How can I save her when I can't save myself?


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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Moonks

KMK has some faults but it’s not like he is not trying to overcome them, and I am asking this question as a neutral viewer, Is Meerub trying? She thinks her values and ideologies are the best so she doesn’t need to change that but people around her needs to change and she is not trying to adapt the surroundings, it may sound rude or orthodox but adaptation is the best quality any human being can have, world doesn’t work on our ideas, our beliefs.

She is doing khani duties in the house, taking MB taunts lightly, tolerating haya nonsense instead of creating drama, stopped mariyum from eloping just to save that family's honour.

If this isn't adapting, I don't know what it is.

Don't know what she is expected to do to adapt that toxic family who sees her as just someone's wife not as an individual.

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: -INAAYAT-

Oh this made me sit down and reflect!

talking in general, It will take generations to undo and erase this mentality! Women are taught and expected to put men on pedestals for doing the bare minimum. This kinda mindset is so deeply rooted that a complete annihilation will take collective humongous efforts, which is next to impossible!

Yes, the conditioning is instilled into girls right from childhood, enabled by both men and women around them! Women equally partake in this!

When it comes to fictional men, it gets more ridiculous, because looks charm the young girls away! Not exaggerating, but my heart literally breaks for my gender especially the young girls, when I read their comments on social media about characters like Meerab and Murtasim! I feel sad that they might never get wise enough to see through the red lines and misogynistic undertones in real life as well, the way they cannot see it in the show!

It also makes me thank my luck that I can rationalise better than them, and take fiction as fiction!

Young girls need guidance and and social media these days ain't it!

Also, the elder ones aren't spared either! I met my aunt on eid and she's watching tere bin! I was taken aback by her views on Meerab! She told me she'd rather watch a crybaby Hala than a Meerab because a girl that 'assertive' cannot be found in real life! I don't know if I should take this in positive that the writer has kept Meerab so pushy on that front or be sad at my aunt's expectations from heroines on tv!

I would like to differ here that women’s appreciates a little effort from a man because she is taught to do this, I have grown up in a surrounding where if a man tries to do some household work then he is called a woman, people says that yeh toh Aurat hai iska kya hai and in this situation if a see a man putting a little effort which may mean nothing to you but it would mean the world to me and it’s not because I have taught to appreciate that, No the only thing I was taught that never expect anything from a man, he won’t help you, he won’t be loyal to you, and you are the only one who should and would make efforts for your relationship. KMK may not be an ideal man for many of you but those who comes from this conservative system he is not less than a Prince Charming, but what we need to understand before forming any kind of opinion is that our experience is not the only way this society works. And you would be shocked to know but I have seen women supporting Pakhi over Sai for two reasons, first they don’t find Sai, beautiful enough to get Virat and second the same case as Meerub
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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Mari_a

I am gonna say it,🤪i feel like Kumuda and slender-rose stands on opposite ends of a spectrum.


I just supports logic mari. It's just that I'm tired by witnessing Meerab being rude labelled as strong and Murtasim being slightly pissed as toxic.


Meerab has been disrespectful since the beginning of the drama for no reason, and that's the main problem for me since beginning. She goes around bluffing about disrespect and respect, treating him like a driver, insulting him at his own house and triggering him. Murtasim has been a straight forward guy since beginning and reacts to situation, depending upon which button has been pressed. If Meerab would have been sensible and strong then she would have simply resort to being reserved and ignoring Murtasim, as that's what a girl must do, then messing with an angry boy.


I connect with Murtasim because he is very logical and reasonable like me. I don't connect with Meerab because honestly despite being a lot younger than her, I've seen life more than her. I was born in a well off family outside Pakistan. I used to spend my free time in shopping and dinning with the family. I was spoilt and was treated like a princess being the youngest, yet when difficulties arises in my life I don't resort to blame game.


Even in mid teens I've gone through financial and emotional suffering, migration, deaths in family and bullying. A girl who slept in air conditioned room always, all of a sudden was made to sleep in a room without even a fan numerous times because of load shedding, a girl who travelled in Fortuner, Mercedes and Cadillac was then travelling in an auto richshaw in Karachi, a girl who studied in expensive school also then studied in a school having way less facilities, because of circumtances. But I don't remember making my family's life hell or blaming them for it. They were as innocent as me and I learned that life is all about changes. It never goes smooth or rough, it keeps fluctuating between them. Like Murtasim, I'm very realistic. I don't dwell in past, instead I accepts everything as it comes and moves on, trying to make my present and future better.


My parents taught me patience and life made me experience it, I'm grateful for it because I think hard times are necessary for making a person mature. Life is so much better than before. I am grateful to Allah for everything he gives me because still my life is a lot better than others. I have people around who smile no matter what and makes me smile too. I have numerous mercies by my Allah. Now when I look back at my life, I feel proud at my parents for raising me the way they did. They taught me and my sisters to stay strong and respectful no matter what situation arises.


Now tell me how can I connect with Meerab when she is exaggerating her problems, because her problems are almost nothing if compared to the people around me or my life. She has respect, honour and luxuries. She doesn't have to be wistful about basic necessities of life. She wants more I understand, but she should strive for it along with being grateful of what she has, instead of disregarding everything.


The reason why I say that Meerab should change her behavior is because generally in real world this behavior of girls invite troubles. I was a counselor at the age of fourteen, teaching boys and girls who were a lot elder than me. Believe me a boy as respectful as Murtasim is rare but even disrespectful boys hesitated to communicate with me or my sisters, even when we didn't used to shout and bluff about strength like Meerab, you know why. Because we used to remain reserved.


Believe me when a girl remains reserved, her grace uplifts. People around starts to develop respect for her and her grace becomes admirable but when a girl indulges in nonsense, she becomes accessible to mess with. Remaining reserved and poised make her inaccessible for disrespect.


These boys used to be disrespectful with other girls because they used to have a similar attitude like Meerab and entertain it instead of ignoring. Ignoring doesn't always means being weak or timid but sometimes it symbolizes your standard, that you are too good for entertaining nonsense. That's where your strength showcases.


Mari I believe in gender equality deeply, but I also understands the temperament of both genders. Men in general has a high level of tolerance for women than for their own gender, like we can see how Murtasim gets angry at all the men around too quickly but remains cool with women at his home. An educated man is always a lion for the outside world, to protect his family and honour. That's what Murtasim does. But at the same time they have a limit of tolerance for women too.


I have seen man around me getting treated the way Murtasim gets treated by Meerab and you know several marriages has been ruined because of the same reason. Most of the men when goes outside to earn money, they do not earn it with the intention of spending it on their self instead they earns it to provide the best for their family. They construct buildings in summer, bears sunlight, works tirelessly in sweat, so that at the end of the day when they return home with food, they could witness the smile on their family's face.


Now it's a woman's duty to cherish his hardwork and respect his efforts, instead of disturbing his mental health. I don't say that women shouldn't have an agency, identity or Independence. They must have these because these are the necessities of a women's life. But when a women wants to put her opinion infront of her man, she should do it respectfully not harshly.


Where men has a lot of tolerance for women, they also have a high level of anger compared to women, which they conceals but when it unleashes, it only brings trouble. A disrespectful attitude is something which triggers every man in general.


Murtasim sacrificed his dream life, married Meerab, fights with his rivals, chose naurez for Maryam, in all this he doesn't have any personal interest. He does it for others best, although he is wrong sometimes but his intentions are always for the best of others.


I wouldn't be bothered with Meerab's stupidity if she had a respectful approach but her attitude is a big 'No' for me.


If Meerab had this attitude with a boy who was as disrespectful as her, I wouldn't have had much problem because they would be on the same page, but here the man opposite to her is someone who treasures others respect as his own, so he deserves the same.


Meerab should express her opinions, I don't have problem with it but she must change her way of expressing it. If she can't respect Murtasim then she must stop expecting the same from him, because if he is obligated to fulfill his duties as a husband, she is also obligated for it as a wife. But she keeps dragging and blaming him for her miseries when in reality he never even had a connection with them, still he isn't complaining and it proves the level of his respect for his relations.

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: -INAAYAT-

Oh this made me sit down and reflect!

talking in general, It will take generations to undo and erase this mentality! Women are taught and expected to put men on pedestals for doing the bare minimum. This kinda mindset is so deeply rooted that a complete annihilation will take collective humongous efforts, which is next to impossible!

Yes, the conditioning is instilled into girls right from childhood, enabled by both men and women around them! Women equally partake in this!

When it comes to fictional men, it gets more ridiculous, because looks charm the young girls away! Not exaggerating, but my heart literally breaks for my gender especially the young girls, when I read their comments on social media about characters like Meerab and Murtasim! I feel sad that they might never get wise enough to see through the red lines and misogynistic undertones in real life as well, the way they cannot see it in the show!

It also makes me thank my luck that I can rationalise better than them, and take fiction as fiction!

Young girls need guidance and and social media these days ain't it!

Also, the elder ones aren't spared either! I met my aunt on eid and she's watching tere bin! I was taken aback by her views on Meerab! She told me she'd rather watch a crybaby Hala than a Meerab because a girl that 'assertive' cannot be found in real life! I don't know if I should take this in positive that the writer has kept Meerab so pushy on that front or be sad at my aunt's expectations from heroines on tv!

Just this morning I saw PH tweet saying murtasim giving unconditional support to meerab

I wanna know what did meerab benefit from that unconditional support

Him doing basic thing like considering his sister's wish in her marriage by his wife's persistence is unconditional support

Neither channel, pH, nor fans said anything about meerab's unconditional support to mariyum despite facing hurdles.

But if murtasim even considers meerab wish of considering his sister's wish. It becomes unconditional support

If a girl does it, it's her duty

If a man does it, then it's his unconditional support.

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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Kumuda-123

She is doing khani duties in the house, taking MB taunts lightly, tolerating haya nonsense instead of creating drama, stopped mariyum from eloping just to save that family's honour.

If this isn't adapting, I don't know what it is.

Don't know what she is expected to do to adapt that toxic family who sees her as just someone's wife not as an individual.

It is not Adapting it’s her responsibilities, if she wasn’t married and would do these things as a family member then also would you call it adapting?? By adapting, I mean to keep her mind open to all the situations, to everyone’s pov, I don’t know how to explain it, but my views of adapting is not limited to one’s adaptation to their surroundings or changing their lifestyle, I am talking about opening our minds to someone else’s opinions, thought process, and accepting that just like our view they too hold importance, they are right and wrong should not be the first concern but accepting that it’s okay if they exist, if people like them exists, just like we have a right to feel what we believe they should have that right as well
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Posted: 2 years ago

Originally posted by: Moonks

I would like to differ here that women’s appreciates a little effort from a man because she is taught to do this, I have grown up in a surrounding where if a man tries to do some household work then he is called a woman, people says that yeh toh Aurat hai iska kya hai and in this situation if a see a man putting a little effort which may mean nothing to you but it would mean the world to me and it’s not because I have taught to appreciate that, No the only thing I was taught that never expect anything from a man, he won’t help you, he won’t be loyal to you, and you are the only one who should and would make efforts for your relationship. KMK may not be an ideal man for many of you but those who comes from this conservative system he is not less than a Prince Charming, but what we need to understand before forming any kind of opinion is that our experience is not the only way this society works. And you would be shocked to know but I have seen women supporting Pakhi over Sai for two reasons, first they don’t find Sai, beautiful enough to get Virat and second the same case as Meerub

Teaching does not always involve oral teaching. Children observe their parents, friends and the neighbors and learn things from them. Even though the people are not teaching them directly but they are indirectly teaching them through their actions. Elders may not be teaching them in words but they are indirectly teaching the children through their actions.

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