SaVi …gets decoded … Baba ki jalli - Page 30

Originally posted by: Saipriyaa

Hi I'm a Silent Reader since post leap.

Loved ur take @sherry24 @Moor278 Usually have lot of doubts every day never had the guts to type but this one I couldn't able to stop myself from typing this

At the end, Virat had a inner talk something like "Everything was infront of me and still I didnt see it" ( correct me if I'm wrong, idk hindi so hope I understood the dialogue right ).

By giving this line to V making him that dumb Are the makers giving us a hint that this Adopted vinu is indeed sairat's boy ?? Or Am I over thinking at this stage ??

Thanks ❤️

Always feel free to share your thoughts and opinions. Thats why we are all here right?

A very good and valid point. U got the dialogue correct. And it does seem to have an impending meaning to it, if Vinu is indeed Sai-V's lost son. For now the obvious linking was to Savi.

Originally posted by: Nirip

So beautifully you analyzed the stance of all characters Sherry n your analogy to cats is so true. Had a recent experience how aggressive new cat mothers are😊

You said it right...V is the newly born father. Hasn't absorbed the feeling yet. After that's done Savi's empty eyes searching her aai will force him to see the reality.

Your analysis about P is on point. She never changed...today when she was ranting k jab bhi meri zindagi mei sab sahi...blah blah...reminded me like first Virat entered with a married Sai...n now Savi. Like she was drawing a parallel n yep Savi's existence is her biggest loss.

Savi has to n will bring her parents together how impossible it may seem.

Thanks ❤️

I have had experiences with both dogs and cats. I would get obsessed with the puppies and the kittens. Obsession still rules over lessons🤣

Originally posted by: Sherry24

I agree Sadhika.

And if you ask me I do feel for that side of V. His rattling with plethora of emotions. And he is someone who is not well equipped to handle strong emotions. So he is lost. He is in the preservation mode, where he does not realise that his means of preservation will lead to perish. He is scared like a child and holding on to Savi..It is death grip and he is his usual self. Blind to anything beyond him and his emotions.

It is not just his anger of being deprived of his daughter, but also the pain of having not known of her existence, the regret of having missed those precious years and moments with her, the realisation that he ignored the obvious signs. And there is also an anger towards himself, which he is taking out on his usual target..Sai. More easy because she is at fault too. He is also terrified of losing her after his pervious 2 kids.

But in all this, instead of salvaging the situation he is making the situation worse with his behaviour. I'm not defending Sai, but the extreme step he took to get her arrested. He knows she is unstoppable, so he uses the force he can to ensure she is stopped at all cost. And that is unfair means.

Now look at this way. Ninad said they should sit and talk. And things would have been amicably sorted to some extent. Sai would have agreed if V had not treated her this way. Now Sai is unrelenting, her guilt no longer making her weak. Because now she only sees his selfish and inhuman actions and not his emotions. Which she would have considered otherwise. She will now fight with all her might to keep him away. Because as a mother she wants to keep her daughter away from this ugly side of him. Like she said "Apka ghinona chehra maine dekha hai" . And she doesn't want her daughter to see it or live with him with that behaviour. She wants to keep her away, His reactions have only complicated the situation. Like you said he doesn't realise till the damage is done.

Also, i have said this, V doesn't introspect. He apologises for the suffering he may have caused, for being the reason for someone's pain. But he seldom realises his mistakes and repents. There is a difference in apologising and repenting. If one apologises without introspection and realisation then the mistake will be repeated. Because the offender has not realised the mistake.

After P was exposed, V apologised to Sai for keeping Vinu away from her. He said as a punishment he will stay away from him for the same number of days. That is usual way, "punish me and make me suffer like you did". The problem is he is never really punished, he is easily forgiven. And he does not feel the actual impact and extent os suffering. There is "Sympathy" but no "Empathy". Once he is out of this zone, he has to realise what Sai went through in those few days when she was kept away from Vinu. This is his punishment and the means to make him realise what it feels like to be kept away from their own child.

When the realisation really dawns is questionable.

The way P is coming out, I want her true nature to come out. Where she can cause harm to others if she is at risk of losing what she wants. And also that Vinu is only a means and nothing else.

Her manipulation should be proof enough and Sai should be able to see through that. And once Sai takes charge the others should see the difference between a true and fake person.

I'm also confused with that aspect. Till now he was going green with envy at the thought that Sai has moved on. He crossed all morality and became a jerk, just like he is now. Two revelations out simultaneously. Sai is loyal to him and cannot love anyone else apart from him. That should have fixed his broken heart, but Savi's revelation make him skid again. But how can Sai's love loyalty being brought up again and again and he himself has confirming it not have any impact on him now? Love can be hidden under anger, but not hatred. Because Love and hate can't co-exist. And at this point it seems pure hatred. How is he not acknowledging something so crucial to him. His actions in complete contrast.

As far as P is concerned, V has always been oblivious about boundaries and the messaging and interpretations of his actions and words. For him he has been clear about his terms with P. He does not deny marriage, but it comes with conditions. His heart and body is reserved for someone. And he does not realise that P is making her own assumptions from it. And this has been the problem since the very beginning. And situations where he his horns are caught in the headlight, he avoids or escapes with no rethinking.

Beautiful insight as always, Sherry.

@ pink, to be fair when V kept baby Vinu away from Sai, he wanted the punishment. Now he is punishing Sai for keeping Savi away. These are the rules in V's court of justice.

@ Purple, Sai mentioned in KK, Aap ke faislo se, aap ke barthav se aap ke aas paas ke logo ko jitni takleef pahunchti hai aap ko uss ka andaza bhi nahi hai. And he looked at her as she was smoking ganja!!

Originally posted by: Lollipop3047

Court scene wont happen yaar court will shut the case in one sitting will give judgement in favour of sai and if she agrees then only v will get visit rights makers wont show court case instead they may show counsellor who may say you have to keep your difference aside for sake of children and may say children need both mom and dad so you need to work out this for happiness of children this will make sai think and she may agree for coparenting savi agar they will show court case then they cant drag much if they want to drag they will keep v&p marriage valid for a long time

rather than legit counselor for couples therapy they may get something like surrogacy track or Sai not being able to talk they won't address root of problem, misunderstandings, V's personality/anger issues. Some judge or counselor will say Savi needs both parents as she was desperate for her baba & can't live without mom. So Sai will bend for her daughter or melt looking at Savi V interaction will move in in CN. Ideally V should be asked to move out of CN, may be Vinu can tag along & they can have happy family of "SaVi". Vinu won't mind. They will have tent enough for 4 of them.

Originally posted by: szsiddiqa

Beautiful insight as always, Sherry.

@ pink, to be fair when V kept baby Vinu away from Sai, he wanted the punishment. Now he is punishing Sai for keeping Savi away. These are the rules in V's court of justice.

@ Purple, Sai mentioned in KK, Aap ke faislo se, aap ke barthav se aap ke aas paas ke logo ko jitni takleef pahunchti hai aap ko uss ka andaza bhi nahi hai. And he looked at her as she was smoking ganja!!

wow both are valid points 👍🏼

Originally posted by: Sherry24

The Newly born "Father".

Do you know how a dog or a cat behaves when they have just delivered? Those who have had pets would know what I'm referring to. I know this is about the mother and I'm making the reference with V here. But it is about the behaviour that I'm trying to draw a parallel with.

The animals right after they deliver are extremely aggressive and sensitive. They are so protective and possessive about their babies that they would not let anyone close to them. They can even harm their own people in that state.

V is behaving exactly the same way. The loss of his two babies and the realisation that he has been deprived of one for so many years has put his senses on block. This one is more precious than anything. Even the woman he once claimed to love with or without a child.

What is going wrong? That is animal instincts, not human. As humans we are supposed to be more emotionally intelligent, sensible, practical and toned in our behaviour. And this where V loses. A human treading in behavioural terrain of an animal. He has lost the reasoning of a human. It is not the father who is protective but a father who is so selfish that he has lost sight of the child's well-being. Simply ignoring the needs of a child. Ironically that is not a trait of a father. And someone who has already raised a child.

So V is a "Newly" born Father. A new born vampire at that (refer to twilight!)🤣

He may not be negligent about Vinu, but he is so focussed on Savi, trying to make for the years he has missed, that he unknowingly making V the second preference.

But if this is otherwise, then it shows V's character in poor light. We are yet to know if Vinu is the OG son. If he isn’t, then it will prove what blood means to V. He always wanted his own child, his own blood with Sai. It was evident how he went into a shell after Sai's miscarriage and her inability to conceive again.

Vinu only becomes a stand by option who could be easily dispensed once the true blood is there. That is the shallow Chavans blood talking.

The emphasis that V had not yet been a father. Vinu was only a temporary anchor or that leaf he used to stay afloat. The moment he reaches the land or finds the true purpose, the anchor and leaf can be disposed.

I wonder, if he really had gone ahead with his relationship with P and had a child. Would that discrimination be still there?

He is someone who is hyper-focussed, unable to lend his attention to more than one thing at a time. So now that Savi is here he will lose focus of Vinu, who was his point of focus till now.

If this is the case there are important lessons coming his way. @Sadhika - we spoke about V redeeming himself for calling Sai orphan through adopting Vinu. But his acts will invalidate it. His lessons are pending and he needs a bigger jolt to realise it. His neglect and later revelation of Vinu should bring his own masked insensitivity towards "Orphans" to redemption. His flaws and faults are way more that he understands and a much long and tormenting path towards the realisation.

This would also, mean Sai will bond with the son of hers' without knowing his true identity. Her purity and selfless love to draw that stark parallel. This is essential for not just the mother-son relationship, but also for the others to realise her bona-fide trait. One's own lacking or faults stand out when you have someone who represents and shines out in their goodness.

Can someone tell me is a Chameleon faster or Ashwini? Genuine question 🤣.

Life comes to a full circle. Karma has started to deliver. We were right when we all gauged that P's conversation with Sai when she met her after leap was only talk meant to find out Sai's intentions. How much of a threat she is. P never really regretted or had any reflection wrt Sai. If she had, she would not have been so insecure. She would have walked out knowing the suffering she caused and is causing to this family. Especially a small child. But all she thinks here is herself. Where is the reflection and repentance? Why is there no realisation what she is thought was hers belonged to someone else. Sai didn’t snatch anything. She did. Like that kid refusing to return that toy that he/she borrowed from their friend. Because they like it some much they want it for themselves.

It is also the timing which is crucial. Savi revelation has come at a time where Sai was supposed to leave forever and V had come to terms with it. We don't know what V intended to do with P yet. It depends on the secret they are hiding about the past. But in P's eyes, Sai's chapter had closed, and she could now expect a conjugal life with V.

But fate has been cruel, or Karma came to bite her. P suffered from inferiority complex with Sai. She had once asked V, "Usmein aisa kya hai jo mujh mein nahi" And she was always trying to pull her down in his eyes. Portray herself as more worthy. She was always seeking for that one thing that would make her score over Sai. Something that Sai was unable to give V and she could. Sai's miscarriage followed by her subsequent inability to conceive, came as that long hunted opportunity for P. She could give V what Sai couldn't. She tried her luck by proposing another marriage for V. Hoping that she could step in. But when she got no buyers for that thought she compromised with just renting her womb, instead of her eggs.

Her delusional mind told her that V would love the child more than Sai. She had figured V's obsession about having his own child. And by giving him what he so badly yearned for she hoped to remove Sai from the pedestal in V's eyes. But she failed. With Vinu lost, she lost any remaining chances as well. But there was hope when she married V. She somehow still knew that lingering desire. But like V she too twisted and customised the fact to suit her mind. V wanted a child through Sai.

Destiny, now gave her that opportunity and she was hopeful that she will now realise V's dream and take Sai's place in his heart as well. Today, Savi broke that hope. Savi fulfils two most important criteria for V. His blood and with Sai. Sai's inability to conceive to her being the mother to Savi is P's biggest loss. The loss of the only hope he had to finally win over V and remove Sai from his memories and life forever.

Like we have spoken about earlier, with Vinu, P is tied to Sai-V. With Savi, Sai is now tied to V-P. And there is no denying who the mother is.

Sai herself did not pose as big a threat to P as Savi is. Because Sai herself may not be the means, but Savi is the means to bring V-Sai together.

The reason why P feels shattered and insecure now is that she lost that final card that she thought could win her the game against Sai. being the mother of V's child.

And it makes me believe that she never changed a bit from that day she planned to become the mother to his child. The spider web was always weaving! Consciously or subconsciously.

Madam sherry please continue staying positive 🥺

Whenever you are positive you decode stuff so BRILLIANTLY!!
This is genius for sure 🥰

I always said and will say it screaming out loud for V it was always a child with SAI, no one else. His dream was a daughter that sai gives birth to the one they name by their names and the one who is them- teekhe aur meethe ka solid combination, that’s what he always longed for. He wanted that only with sai, with no one else otherwise he would have had a biological child with p long ago….. no need for adoption, he would have moved on. But the fact that he adopted the boy and names him Vinayak the name SAI had chosen, it was sai who said we will keep our child’s name on bappas name…..

It was always about sai and his progeny, not with anyone else. Twisted but true.

He has a one track mine, especially in his anger he sees nothing, hears nothing but says all the wrong things. By the time his anger subsides he has made grave mistakes which he then spends cleaning- as sai says apne puri zindagi galtiyan karne main aur phir unhe sudharne main lagadi.

His problem is till he isn’t challenged he doesn’t function. Sai is that challenge, she brings that excitement and now with Savi he isn’t going to be able to let go of this.

Yes vinu is imp to him but not as much as a savi will ever be, at least not until his truth is out.

Vinu is the real vinu, it’s been established. The kids went to the mela to look for their real parents- vinu his biological parents and savi her father and fate gave that to them. Samrats Last wish of sairat having a choti sai and chota Virat is also fulfilled today as both kids embody their parents. If we see vinu is like v in a twisted way- didn’t Virat also support his kaku like a mother sometimes over his own mother as well.

Sai had to bare the karma of leaving the house and indirectly being a cause for Samrats death (I’m not saying she was at fault but indirectly it was her fault na)

Virat needed to bare the karma of supporting Pakhi and kaku as well as indirectly being the cause for Abbas death.

Sai’s faults less so she lived the childhood of her daughter and saw her grew which she missed with her son but virats mistakes are graver hence he missed both their childhoods- a punishment which will eat him alive and is already.

In all this only Pakhi hasn’t faced her karma because her mistakes are larger. If we see Mahabharat then before the Kurukshetra war the Pandavas face their karma with the exile for whatever wrong they did so that their karma is clean before they can establish righteousness, whereas the kauravas lived in luxury till the Pandavas returned to claim what is theirs and for justice to prevail- I’m not comparing but just sharing an anecdote that before we gain something we need to loose our past bad deeds repent for our mistakes and then can we move forward ti gain what we truly deserve.

Pakhi and Chavans who actually caused a lot of misery haven’t faced their karma and will have to start paying now. a child’s prayers are always heard sooner, especially an innocent child who just longs for what they truly deserve and in itv toh bacche ki dua humesha qubool hoti hi hai. So savi and vinu today take on the role of the catalysts in their parents lives, it’s not an easy road but jaha itna sabh jhela waha this last fight can be bared as well.
savi is what joins the entire family- like she said uske naam main sabka naam hai and vinus truth will reunite them but for that to happen a redemption of Virat needs to start, sai understands and is aware of her mistakes but virats conscious needs to wake up and that can happen once he hates the hate of his kids. Jaha woh hua waha uska upliftment shuru.

If you see jags ka redemption is a beautiful, though one can’t forgive him ever but he snatched a father from a daughter and today gave a daughter her father back.

Same way he snatched virats brother from him and gave him his daughter back, the same way he has to give sai something back…. Jags is there in the bts when sai runs From the police, what is jags going to do for sai for his arc to complete and bring an end to his redemption and character? I want to know 😉

Let’s see what happens…… I have my thoughts in the right place but I will not make them public cause nazar lagti hai! Will wait for it to play out…..

edit- v also needs to ignore vinu with the family for him to understand the words Tum anath ho to sai are wrong, tumhara beta tumhari aankhon ke samne ek anath ke jaise rahega with you now knowing savi is your khoon jab sachai bahar ayegi how will you feel? Bad na, that’s what he needs to understand.

Also agar sai waapis chali gayi hoti to v post accident and even if savi would have survived vinu kabhi nahi milta cause they would have never looked. In this twisted way now the entire family is together but just anjaan of one another

Originally posted by: Anilaanu

The new show opposite ghum by ekta is another regressive crap.....its name should not be dharampatni ...it should be bewafa pati.....both ml and fl is married to other people and ml feels attraction....

Somebody said it right another version of silsila...🤢

See virat has to do something drastic to break pakhi yet again .. he has given her reassurance that nothing between them will change .. tum meri patni thi or rahogi ..

maybe tiddi only .. after ashwini gives him a pep talk how he is hurting pakhi .. he will hold her hand and tell her he values her .. support him in getting back Savi ..

There’s a reason she’s getting interviews.. as the story will go back to original ..

Now but when he talks to lawyer .. he will realise that he has no legal hold on Savi .. there’s a reason Sai has been shown again to have a FB of keeping the father name as Sai Joshi .. it will play up ..the lawyer will tell him .. he cannot even get visitation rights with Savi .. if he’s not married to sai ..

and of Sai gets married to someone else .. even he will influence Savi’s life and take the image of father ..

Virat will see Savi with JM and Sai .. and he will start getting paranoid ..he will invalidate his marriage with pakhi ..dump her and Vinayak will also see this ( getting the message clearly that for virat his biological daughter was more ..

He will remember what Dr aunty had told him your parents are true . They love you more than anyone else but will feel betrayed .. pakhi ka toh kya kehna .. she will tell him how Savi destroyed their lives along with Dr aunty .. not sure reveal if Vinayak will happen just before or later ..

Sams death was indirectly not Sai's fault but Virats fault. If he had gone to pick Sai up instead of asking her to call Sam then he'd not be dead. Infact Sai made V leave everything and go to Sam to try to save him. If not for Sai Sam would've been dead before saying his last words to V and Sai.