bug report.

okay guys so, this is my first post-leap bug report. i’m highlighting some concerns i have regarding the execution of the post-leap storyline and some areas/aspects that i’d like the CVs to pay closer attention to:

a. Cheeni’s dialogues > Imlie’s dialogues. this is quickly becoming an issue for me. while i understand that Imlie’s post-leap character is much more calm and tends to introspect more instead, i’m subconsciously starting to get the idea that Imlie’s role in the post-leap storyline is being sidelined.

b. the current level of conflict between Aryan and Imlie is just not enough. two weeks in, it’s rather too mellow. the angst level needs a serious amp up, and the way to go about this, is to introduce a male character to trigger Aryan’s jealousy and possessiveness for Imlie. i’m aware that many fans are of the opinion that jealousy is “beneath” or against the core of Aryan Singh Rathore. but let’s keep in mind that he’s only human, and a very vulnerable human at that right now.

c. exploration of supporting characters. i’m concerned with the fact that we’re seeing too much of some characters and close to nothing of others. i get that the Chaturvedi Chudails are driving the current storyline with Aryan and Imlie and therefore, warrant the kind of screen time they’re getting. what of BM and BD though? i reallyx3 like Nilima Ji and Resham, but rather unfortunately they bring nothing to the story right now. i feel like it’d be a better use of screen time and a greater value-add to the story to develop the other Rathores (i.e. Sundar and Arpita) and give them their own parallel storyline instead.

d. Imlie’s post-leap appearance. maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but to me, she just isn’t looking like five years have gone by. there is no clear distinction between her ep 310-413 look and post-leap look. personally, i’d like them to make the post-leap promo look she had on (i.e open hair, sheer makeup w/ eyeliner) her constant look for this phase.

let me know if you guys agree with my list and please feel free to add some more of your own! thank you. xx

Originally posted by: handlerxsaviour

okay guys so, this is my first post-leap bug report. i’m highlighting some concerns i have regarding the execution of the post-leap storyline and some areas/aspects that i’d like the CVs to pay closer attention to:

a. Cheeni’s dialogues > Imlie’s dialogues. this is quickly becoming an issue for me. while i understand that Imlie’s post-leap character is much more calm and tends to introspect more instead, i’m subconsciously starting to get the idea that Imlie’s role in the post-leap storyline is being sidelined.

b. the current level of conflict between Aryan and Imlie is just not enough. two weeks in, it’s rather too mellow. the angst level needs a serious amp up, and the way to go about this, is to introduce a male character to trigger Aryan’s jealousy and possessiveness for Imlie. i’m aware that many fans are of the opinion that jealousy is “beneath” or against the core of Aryan Singh Rathore. but let’s keep in mind that he’s only human, and a very vulnerable human at that right now.

c. exploration of supporting characters. i’m concerned with the fact that we’re seeing too much of some characters and close to nothing of others. i get that the Chaturvedi Chudails are driving the current storyline with Aryan and Imlie and therefore, warrant the kind of screen time they’re getting. what of BM and BD though? i reallyx3 like Nilima Ji and Resham, but rather unfortunately they bring nothing to the story right now. i feel like it’d be a better use of screen time and a greater value-add to the story to develop the other Rathores (i.e. Sundar and Arpita) and give them their own parallel storyline instead.

d. Imlie’s post-leap appearance. maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but to me, she just isn’t looking like five years have gone by. there is no clear distinction between her ep 310-413 look and post-leap look. personally, i’d like them to make the post-leap promo look she had on (i.e open hair, sheer makeup w/ eyeliner) her constant look for this phase.

let me know if you guys agree with my list and please feel free to add some more of your own! thank you. xx

I have the same concerns. Cheeni has been getting most of the screentime and dialogues post leap. Imlie is not getting anywhere near what she should be getting as the titular character. I had mentiomed this in another post too that there needs to be a male villian in the show rather than a vamp. Someone who is obssesively in love with Imlie and will trigger Aryan's jealousy and possesiveness. The angst would be insane if that happens. The other characters need their own parallel storylines caue right now they are not adding anything to the storyline. IPKKND had great parallel storylines for the supporting characters. They were also interesting so I never felt bored not watching the leads. The post leap appearance of Imlie makes me so angry. I thought her post leap look would be similar to the promo but it's the same as before. It's so bad, I hate the choti she always has and the light colour outfits. I was expecting her hair to be down like the in the promo and darker colour outfits.Along with eyeliner at least. Make her look a little different, it's been 5 years. Aryan looks different but Imlie looks the exact same. Even Malini looks different as the vamp.

Originally posted by: Bella250

I have the same concerns. Cheeni has been getting most of the screentime and dialogues post leap. Imlie is not getting anywhere near what she should be getting as the titular character. I had mentiomed this in another post too that there needs to be a male villian in the show rather than a vamp. Someone who is obssesively in love with Imlie and will trigger Aryan's jealousy and possesiveness. The angst would be insane if that happens. The other characters need their own parallel storylines caue right now they are not adding anything to the storyline. IPKKND had great parallel storylines for the supporting characters. They were also interesting so I never felt bored not watching the leads. The post leap appearance of Imlie makes me so angry. I thought her post leap look would be similar to the promo but it's the same as before. It's so bad, I hate the choti she always has and the light colour outfits. I was expecting her hair to be down like the in the promo and darker colour outfits.Along with eyeliner at least. Make her look a little different, it's been 5 years. Aryan looks different but Imlie looks the exact same. Even Malini looks different as the vamp.

hmmm, as someone detached from the drama at this point, here are my observations for why the angst isn't working and not even stirring my interest.

-- while it might seem romantic for some that they are both in the same place romantically, it is the reverse for me. people change and become bitter but they are still functional -- that is what brings on the angst in other dramas for me; life has moved on in many ways and they have learned to live without each other and your heart aches that time has passed.

as one of my favourite quotes goes “There could have never been two hearts so open, no tastes so similar, no feelings so in unison, no countenances so beloved. Now they were as strangers; nay, worse than strangers, for they could never become acquainted. It was a perpetual estrangement.”

that is what the writers need to show -- when aryan says "I am now your boss", you are supposed to feel a punch and a slap. he is essentially saying that they no longer have any personal ties and they are strangers. that is what we need to see - a perpetual separation where he is cold, cold, cold! instead, it seemed like replay of romantic scenes from the past 🤦🤦

-- the second reason the angst isn't working is that imlie is as pigheaded as ever. we are supposed to feel bad for her but I instead felt bad for the shopkeeper who has to deal with such a bad customer. why should he go into debt because she can't pay? why should he give her credit?

I won't go into a full rant but I absolutely abhor this kind of scene when the reality is that so many micro, small and medium enterprises have gone belly up because of the pandemic and it is a huge economic problem. so many business owners could not pay their employees and had to shut down. these micro businesses run on very small cash margins and when their customers don't pay on time, they cannot afford to keep running and that in turn affects the whole chain. so please, none of this "shopkeeper is bad" nonsense -- well does the world give credit just because she is the FL? 🙄🙄

in most separation dramas, what amps the angst is the changes in the female lead and how she has become painfully practical because of the changes in her economics. so instead of fighting back, she bites her tongue and gives in to humiliation. and if the FL is a single mom, then those humiliations and her silently bearing them are up a notch because she has to be practical. this is what drives TRPs in many separation arcs in other dramas.

do we see that here? nope, she is still as proud but is expecting everyone else to bend around her as always. well, she should have been cut down to size from a practical perspective. if she had bit her tongue and apologized to aryan just for cheeni's sake as she needs the money, that would have brought in angst as we see how her pride has been broken. instead, she comes across as kind of emotionally depressed in some scenes but that doesn't bring in the angst for a detached viewer like myself. 🤷

-- the third reason is the grounding of conflict and why they are on different sides. again, imlie's pigheadedness seems to be more about pride and not about principles. instead, people being on opposite sides because of different worldviews can amp the angst. in "shadow and bone", the final scene in the series, alina rejects him with a glance and darkling says almost wearily and frustratedly "fine make me your villian" -- so much of angst and pangs in that one scene!!!! that is the kind of conflict we need where we don't know if they can find a way to get back to each other because they are so far apart and cutting down each other instead.

in other dramas, the angst is amplified because the separation isn't just between the leads but also between the two families who now hate each other. so instead of just a conflict between the leads, it gets expanded into full scale war between two families where other family members are also trying to sabotage and stirring the pot -- ekta serials do that superbly. we don't have that here.

-- the fourth reason is how life changes can be an enemy. in one of my fav kdramas, the two characters meet after so many years and they are both embarassed and humiliated because they are nowhere where they thought they will be. he is still jobless and hasn't made it while his friends have become successful. her family went broke and she is now a waitress/dishwasher. the way they try to hide their circumstances as they meet in a very mundane way and try to pretend they are good tugs at your heart -- where your pride is hurt and life has beaten you and you feel stupid and silly to face your old love.

in imlie, we do not see the embarassment or the humiliation or the awkwardness of running back into your ex -- instead we had some very filmy scenes that didn't work for me at all. I felt nothing. 🤷 why not have them meet in a very mundane way? -- that would have been more angsty.

-- as for cheeni, I won't go there because this post is already a long essay 😉 but I find her scenes annoying. this should be a 4-5 year old child but she has been given dialogues and scenes way above her age. at UKG, the child should be barely understanding what adults speak. instead she gives lectures to people and that is supposed to be cute?? 🤦🤦

another reason for why the separation arc fails -- in other dramas, the child stirs your emotions with their way of seeing the world because it is very age appropriate dilaogues and situations. instead, I am eye rolling with cheeni scenes. 🙄🙄

tagging enlightened -- had lots of time to think and so can articulate better on why I am so detached.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

hmmm, as someone detached from the drama at this point, here are my observations for why the angst isn't working and not even stirring my interest.

-- while it might seem romantic for some that they are both in the same place romantically, it is the reverse for me. people change and become bitter but they are still functional -- that is what brings on the angst in other dramas for me; life has moved on in many ways and they have learned to live without each other and your heart aches that time has passed.

as one of my favourite quotes goes “There could have never been two hearts so open, no tastes so similar, no feelings so in unison, no countenances so beloved. Now they were as strangers; nay, worse than strangers, for they could never become acquainted. It was a perpetual estrangement.”

that is what the writers need to show -- when aryan says "I am now your boss", you are supposed to feel a punch and a slap. he is essentially saying that they no longer have any personal ties and they are strangers. that is what we need to see - a perpetual separation where he is cold, cold, cold! instead, it seemed like replay of romantic scenes from the past 🤦🤦

-- the second reason the angst isn't working is that imlie is as pigheaded as ever. we are supposed to feel bad for her but I instead felt bad for the shopkeeper who has to deal with such a bad customer. why should he go into debt because she can't pay? why should he give her credit?

I won't go into a full rant but I absolutely abhor this kind of scene when the reality is that so many micro, small and medium enterprises have gone belly up because of the pandemic and it is a huge economic problem. so many business owners could not pay their employees and had to shut down. these micro businesses run on very small cash margins and when their customers don't pay on time, they cannot afford to keep running and that in turn affects the whole chain. so please, none of this "shopkeeper is bad" nonsense -- well does the world give credit just because she is the FL? 🙄🙄

in most separation dramas, what amps the angst is the changes in the female lead and how she has become painfully practical because of the changes in her economics. so instead of fighting back, she bites her tongue and gives in to humiliation. and if the FL is a single mom, then those humiliations and her silently bearing them are up a notch because she has to be practical. this is what drives TRPs in many separation arcs in other dramas.

do we see that here? nope, she is still as proud but is expecting everyone else to bend around her as always. well, she should have been cut down to size from a practical perspective. if she had bit her tongue and apologized to aryan just for cheeni's sake as she needs the money, that would have brought in angst as we see how her pride has been broken. instead, she comes across as kind of emotionally depressed in some scenes but that doesn't bring in the angst for a detached viewer like myself. 🤷

-- the third reason is the grounding of conflict and why they are on different sides. again, imlie's pigheadedness seems to be more about pride and not about principles. instead, people being on opposite sides because of different worldviews can amp the angst. in "shadow and bone", the final scene in the series, alina rejects him with a glance and darkling says almost wearily and frustratedly "fine make me your villian" -- so much of angst and pangs in that one scene!!!! that is the kind of conflict we need where we don't know if they can find a way to get back to each other because they are so far apart and cutting down each other instead.

in other dramas, the angst is amplified because the separation isn't just between the leads but also between the two families who now hate each other. so instead of just a conflict between the leads, it gets expanded into full scale war between two families where other family members are also trying to sabotage and stirring the pot -- ekta serials do that superbly. we don't have that here.

-- the fourth reason is how life changes can be an enemy. in one of my fav kdramas, the two characters meet after so many years and they are both embarassed and humiliated because they are nowhere where they thought they will be. he is still jobless and hasn't made it while his friends have become successful. her family went broke and she is now a waitress/dishwasher. the way they try to hide their circumstances as they meet in a very mundane way and try to pretend they are good tugs at your heart -- where your pride is hurt and life has beaten you and you feel stupid and silly to face your old love.

in imlie, we do not see the embarassment or the humiliation or the awkwardness of running back into your ex -- instead we had some very filmy scenes that didn't work for me at all. I felt nothing. 🤷 why not have them meet in a very mundane way? -- that would have been more angsty.

-- as for cheeni, I won't go there because this post is already a long essay 😉 but I find her scenes annoying. this should be a 4-5 year old child but she has been given dialogues and scenes way above her age. at UKG, the child should be barely understanding what adults speak. instead she gives lectures to people and that is supposed to be cute?? 🤦🤦

another reason for why the separation arc fails -- in other dramas, the child stirs your emotions with their way of seeing the world because it is very age appropriate dilaogues and situations. instead, I am eye rolling with cheeni scenes. 🙄🙄

tagging enlightened -- had lots of time to think and so can articulate better on why I am so detached.

Originally posted by: handlerxsaviour

great perspectives. while i agree with most things you’ve mentioned, i for one, don’t wish for Imlie to apologise to Aryan. because that would make her out to be a sellout. the whole basis for their current conflict is Aryan’s misunderstanding that Imlie falsified Binni’s story. should Imlie bend and apologise to Aryan for her own family’s sake, not only would it be an injustice done to Binni, but it would also make her a corrupt individual. and i have to say, while i do adore Cheeni, i’m afraid i agree with her not behaving in accordance to her age. but i guess that speaks to the fact that she’s being raised by two single women in the absence of a protective male figure. therefore, she’s being raised to be self-sufficient in handling the villagers’ hateful conduct towards her.

like I posted in the TRP thread, the harshness of economic realities and a lead forced to bite her tongue to keep the job can actually tug at the heart of viewers because it is something very relatable. the change in FL to someone bitterly practical can really amp up the angst.

as for cheeni, if they had shown her as a kid questioning and being perplexed, it would have been more heartwarming. there is a show on star bharat with karan and even the promos, I found it so sweet when the child is innocently asking why she doesn't have a father and blinking rapidly when people ask her questions. it is a very child like response given her age.

by doing the reverse and giving her dialogues above her age, it backfires on some viewers like myself. instead of thinking self-sufficient, I think "typical anoying bratty TV kid 🙄🙄"

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

hmmm, as someone detached from the drama at this point, here are my observations for why the angst isn't working and not even stirring my interest.

-- while it might seem romantic for some that they are both in the same place romantically, it is the reverse for me. people change and become bitter but they are still functional -- that is what brings on the angst in other dramas for me; life has moved on in many ways and they have learned to live without each other and your heart aches that time has passed.

as one of my favourite quotes goes “There could have never been two hearts so open, no tastes so similar, no feelings so in unison, no countenances so beloved. Now they were as strangers; nay, worse than strangers, for they could never become acquainted. It was a perpetual estrangement.”

that is what the writers need to show -- when aryan says "I am now your boss", you are supposed to feel a punch and a slap. he is essentially saying that they no longer have any personal ties and they are strangers. that is what we need to see - a perpetual separation where he is cold, cold, cold! instead, it seemed like replay of romantic scenes from the past 🤦🤦

-- the second reason the angst isn't working is that imlie is as pigheaded as ever. we are supposed to feel bad for her but I instead felt bad for the shopkeeper who has to deal with such a bad customer. why should he go into debt because she can't pay? why should he give her credit?

I won't go into a full rant but I absolutely abhor this kind of scene when the reality is that so many micro, small and medium enterprises have gone belly up because of the pandemic and it is a huge economic problem. so many business owners could not pay their employees and had to shut down. these micro businesses run on very small cash margins and when their customers don't pay on time, they cannot afford to keep running and that in turn affects the whole chain. so please, none of this "shopkeeper is bad" nonsense -- well does the world give credit just because she is the FL? 🙄🙄

in most separation dramas, what amps the angst is the changes in the female lead and how she has become painfully practical because of the changes in her economics. so instead of fighting back, she bites her tongue and gives in to humiliation. and if the FL is a single mom, then those humiliations and her silently bearing them are up a notch because she has to be practical. this is what drives TRPs in many separation arcs in other dramas.

do we see that here? nope, she is still as proud but is expecting everyone else to bend around her as always. well, she should have been cut down to size from a practical perspective. if she had bit her tongue and apologized to aryan just for cheeni's sake as she needs the money, that would have brought in angst as we see how her pride has been broken. instead, she comes across as kind of emotionally depressed in some scenes but that doesn't bring in the angst for a detached viewer like myself. 🤷

-- the third reason is the grounding of conflict and why they are on different sides. again, imlie's pigheadedness seems to be more about pride and not about principles. instead, people being on opposite sides because of different worldviews can amp the angst. in "shadow and bone", the final scene in the series, alina rejects him with a glance and darkling says almost wearily and frustratedly "fine make me your villian" -- so much of angst and pangs in that one scene!!!! that is the kind of conflict we need where we don't know if they can find a way to get back to each other because they are so far apart and cutting down each other instead.

in other dramas, the angst is amplified because the separation isn't just between the leads but also between the two families who now hate each other. so instead of just a conflict between the leads, it gets expanded into full scale war between two families where other family members are also trying to sabotage and stirring the pot -- ekta serials do that superbly. we don't have that here.

-- the fourth reason is how life changes can be an enemy. in one of my fav kdramas, the two characters meet after so many years and they are both embarassed and humiliated because they are nowhere where they thought they will be. he is still jobless and hasn't made it while his friends have become successful. her family went broke and she is now a waitress/dishwasher. the way they try to hide their circumstances as they meet in a very mundane way and try to pretend they are good tugs at your heart -- where your pride is hurt and life has beaten you and you feel stupid and silly to face your old love.

in imlie, we do not see the embarassment or the humiliation or the awkwardness of running back into your ex -- instead we had some very filmy scenes that didn't work for me at all. I felt nothing. 🤷 why not have them meet in a very mundane way? -- that would have been more angsty.

-- as for cheeni, I won't go there because this post is already a long essay 😉 but I find her scenes annoying. this should be a 4-5 year old child but she has been given dialogues and scenes way above her age. at UKG, the child should be barely understanding what adults speak. instead she gives lectures to people and that is supposed to be cute?? 🤦🤦

another reason for why the separation arc fails -- in other dramas, the child stirs your emotions with their way of seeing the world because it is very age appropriate dilaogues and situations. instead, I am 5 eye rolling with cheeni scenes. 🙄🙄

tagging enlightened -- had lots of time to think and so can articulate better on why I am so detached.

You bring some good perspective. But the whole issue with the post leap is that it just doesnt feel like a 5 year leap. The only reason they jumped so many years was to introduce cheeni but they forget to think logically and imagine how a person can change in 5 years ( not enough to show mellowed to show maturity). Also, imlie who returned to PD was not same Imlie when she left PD. She was supposed to be more educated, experienced and independent woman. And they should have shown her teaching in school, and working part time as freelancer and self sufficient to support her mother, cheeni and herself.

Why is she living below poverty? Love isnt sufficient to give a child a bright future. One need to take responsibility when can fulfil that responsibility well.

Originally posted by: anabh

You bring some good perspective. But the whole issue with the post leap is that it just doesnt feel like a 5 year leap. The only reason they jumped so many years was to introduce cheeni but they forget to think logically and imagine how a person can change in 5 years ( not enough to show mellowed to show maturity). Also, imlie who returned to PD was not same Imlie when she left PD. She was supposed to be more educated, experienced and independent woman. And they should have shown her teaching in school, and working part time as freelancer and self sufficient to support her mother, cheeni and herself.

Why is she living below poverty? Love isnt sufficient to give a child a bright future. One need to take responsibility when can fulfil that responsibility well.

I really thought she would become a news blogger or a famous independent reporter. But looks like she can't be anything without support of Aryan.

School teacher or even tutoring kids could have been a great alternate since she was a topper and got 2 scholarships, the parents might actually want her as a teacher. With so many online wFH opportunities in today's world, Imlie could have been shown as lower middle class rather than BPL.

Having almost entire village against her is a bit too much, there should be a gang or powerful fringe elements against her due to her moderns views. This actually makes the BT article actually true about PD, except Binni incident. Imlie's motivation to protect PD makes no sense to me many times.

What does imlie do all day if she is not working full time, no wonder they live hand to mouth.

Chini's dialogues don't bother me as much as they have shown that all children and adults misbehave and taunt her due to her being a orphan or fatherless child. So she might have become like this as self preservation. Why can't poor chini be shown having normal childhood with couple of friends? Are they showing that PD made no progress in 20 Years right from Imlie's childhood to chini's childhood !!

Originally posted by: anabh

You bring some good perspective. But the whole issue with the post leap is that it just doesnt feel like a 5 year leap. The only reason they jumped so many years was to introduce cheeni but they forget to think logically and imagine how a person can change in 5 years ( not enough to show mellowed to show maturity). Also, imlie who returned to PD was not same Imlie when she left PD. She was supposed to be more educated, experienced and independent woman. And they should have shown her teaching in school, and working part time as freelancer and self sufficient to support her mother, cheeni and herself.

Why is she living below poverty? Love isnt sufficient to give a child a bright future. One need to take responsibility when can fulfil that responsibility well.

exactly; so much for 'girl power' eh? love does not feed the stomach and neither does love pay the bills. when imlie has education and the ability to work hard, why isn't she doing other jobs so that she can be self-sufficient? a parent has to be practical, pragmatic and think of the bigger picture in order to fulfill that responsibility. it is one thing if she does not have the capability but she was shown to be someone who is intelligent, resourseful and smart. so what happened to those qualities? what good are those character traits if she is unable to put food on the table?

and yes, would agree with you that it does not feel like a 5 year leap except to introduce this child.