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Posted: 3 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: Billi_Bangalan


Kangu nangu and gutkachaap have a lot to say about languages but nothing about rising prices in the country


We know Kangana and Ajay are doing it for publicity.. but one thing I don't understand is that whenever language and culture is being discussed why people get this urge to discuss economics.

Countries which hold on to their culture prosper in long term. Money wouldn't unite people at the end of the day but culture and nationalism will.


Israel day before yesterday stood together for 1 minute in silence for fallen soldiers and victims of terrorism. While if it was India.. people will debate on why do it.. terrorist who they were our brother etc.

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Posted: 3 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar


Same people. The enmity between Indra and Krishna is well documented in the 3 main Krishna texts - MBh, SB, and Harivamsam.


Basically, Indra was demanding protection money, and Krishna put a stop to it.

So i searched for it on Google and came across a video elaborating on this word asur used in Rigveda...

https://youtu.be/9bmCbHD4IZk


Is it true asur word has been used for Indra varun and agni too in Rigveda?


On further search Asur word seems to have many different meanings. More on that here 👇

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Vishnu-and-Rama-called-Asuras-in-the-Vedas/answer/Abhitulya-Devnath-1?ch=10&oid=74243435&share=70377db6&srid=urA2Mh&target_type=answer

Edited by NathuPyare - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago
#93

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

With re: Vedic religion. The Aryans started with Indra worship. In fact, Rig Veda calls Krishna an asur leader of the dark hordes.


Book 8, Hymn 96 :


Verse 13: “An Asur called Krishna lived on the banks of river Anshumati. He moved fast and travelled along with ten thousand armies. Indra located that shouting Asur using his intelligence and in the interest of humanity, destroyed his murderous armies.”


Verse 14: “Indra said, I have seen the Krishna Asur who roams around the caves on the banks of river Anshumati. He is stationed in water like the shining sun. O’ Maruts, the fulfiller of wishes, I want you for the battle, you kill him in battle.”


Verse 15: “Fast-moving Krishna Asur lived on the banks of river Anshumati. He was shining. Indra slew the black, invading armies with the help of Vrihaspati.”


Verse 17: “O’ wielder of the bolt, Indra, you have done this. As a matchless warrior, you destroyed the power of Krishna using your bolt. With your weapons, for the welfare of the people, you killed Krishna Asur by lowering your face and you obtained cows from the enemy using your power.”


Subsequently, when the invaders/migrants interbred with the original inhabitants, they started adopting the traditions and practices.


So to say Vedic religion is being imposed would be inaccurate when neither Vishnu worship nor Shiva worship came from the Aryans.


But Aryanization is certainly there.


Krishna might have looked like this:


Baby Krishna


But he is portrayed by fair-skinned Farex babies:


200! That's the number of kids child actor Nirnay Samadhiya BEAT in the auditions to bag the role of Bal Krishna

Krishna also means dark/ black. South Indians are dark complexioned and Asuras are always portrayed as people with dark complexion. How did all this happen? And we criticise Caucasians for being racists as if we Indians are any less😛

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Posted: 3 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

So i searched for it on Google and came across a video elaborating on this word asur used in Rigveda...

Is it true asur word has been used for Indra varun and agni too in Rigveda?


Basically, the Vedic people used *asur* to describe anyone who didn't agree with their religious practices. So depending on who is casting blame, anyone could be called an asur.


Specifically, Varuna and Agni being called asurs, I have to check.


Agni was probably Angirasa, one of the saptarishis. That clan was constantly at odds with the Vasishta Varunis, Vyasa's clan. Since Vedas were compiled by Krishna Dwaipayana Vyasa, I wouldn't be surprised by a mention of Agni Asur.

Edited by HearMeRoar - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago
#95

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar


Basically, the Vedic people used *asur* to describe anyone who didn't agree with their religious practices. So depending on who is casting blame, anyone could be called an asur.

What I'm reading is there are two common meanings of asur. One meaning is a+sur (one who is not sur) and the other meeting one who has great power.

I've edited my previous reply to include two links. If you have time check the link of quora, which talks about asur word and let me know what u think if it...

Edited by NathuPyare - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago
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Originally posted by: NathuPyare

What I'm reading is there are two common meanings of asur. One meaning is a+sur (one who is not sur) and the other meeting one who has great power.

I've edited i previous reply to include two links. If you have time check the link of quora, which talks about asur word and let me know what u think if it...


Will do.


I'm also going to tag Chiilii. She can contribute a lot more to any discussion on ancient scriptures. Hope she still checks IF.


@Chiilii, ignore the language argument and give your thoughts on asur, please.

Edited by HearMeRoar - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago
#97

Whoever learns Sanskrit would be super intelligent if they couple the learning with the Sanskrit translations of Vedas n Puranas. There is a lot of knowledge there still to be learnt.

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Posted: 3 years ago
#98

Not commenting on Bollywood star’s comments.


If they love Hindi, let them make sure their children read a Hindi written in Devnagari script than English. (Javed Akhtar criticises if people mispronounce Urdu. But his daughter requires a Hindi translator for her English script).


Those who love Sanskrit can say that in Sanskrit. Let them speak freely for 5 minutes first.


Rest will speak whatever language they are comfortable with.

Just peeped in because, some pundits are giving lectures on Vedas. Rig Veda is oldest literary work from India. (I am not a religious person who believes these are the words of God). Ramayana/Mahabharata came thousand years later. Rig Veda does not mention Krishna.
Instead of quoting from a unreliable website, produce the original verses.

In Veda, Devas and Asuras are half brothers. Rishi Kashyapa had two wives. Diti and Aditi. These are the children of the two mothers. (Not different race). In Vedas, Devas are good ones. Asuras are bad.


Let us look at its counterpart. Zanda Avesta. Religious book of Zoroastrianism from Persia. “S” becomes “H” in Persian language (like Sindhu becomes Hind). Their hero is “Ahura Mazda” and villains are “Daevas”.


What does that mean? People who wrote Vedas and Zanda-Avesta were related to each other (same tribe). These books speak about their internal fights. (Nothing to do with Aryas and Dravidas and invasion. British thought, everyone are invaders like them in America).

We don’t exactly know the birth place of this tribe.
May be it was India. A part of tribe stayed here. Other moved west (Out of India theory).

May be it was Persia. One part stayed there. Other moved east. (Aryan Invasion Theory, which is now changed to Aryan Migration theory, due to lack of proof on “invasion”).


May be they were in the middle. One moved east. Other to west.

What exactly is Bharat’s role here? One group who followed Vedas migrated 3000 years ago to this land. She sheltered them along with her native communities (if Vedic people were not native).

The one who followed Zanda Avesta too turned to India when they faced fear of extinction due to Islam. But thousands years later. She sheltered them too. “Parsis”.

Many rituals in Brahmins and Parsis are similar. (Sacred thread ceremony around 8 years). Brahmins seemed to have taken up vegetarianism later.
Brahmins and Parsi population put together are not 10%. These communities with no marshal abilities could not have survived in this Abrahamic world without mother India’s shelter. In return, they too have enriched India in their own way. Academically, culturally. financially (Parsi).


Groups with vested interest are trying to break India’s unity by putting one community over other. Abrahamics and their coveted followers, leftists. They pit Dalit over Brahmins. It was so called Shudra (native) communities which targeted Ambedkar. The teacher who empowered Ambedkar, his wife were Brahmins.


Hall mark of India is its diversity. “Caste”, which is ridiculed by Abrahamics, is a most ancient form of faith (like Paganism), which does not impose its faith/ritual on another community.


Similarly our languages. There should not be any hegemony and imposition.

I love Hindi, Sanskrit. I can speak Hindi. I can understand Sanskrit a little bit. But I want my native language to have first place in my state. I want the bank manager who speaks local language. That’s the language locals speak. They don’t need to learn Hindi/English/Sanskrit to draw money from the bank.


Stop emphasising on link language. Encourage employees to learn local language where they work. Simple.

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Posted: 3 years ago
#99

Originally posted by: flipfl0p


Just peeped in because, some pundits are giving lectures on Vedas. Rig Veda is oldest literary work from India. (I am not a religious person who believes these are the words of God). Ramayana/Mahabharata came thousand years later. Rig Veda does not mention Krishna.
Instead of quoting from a unreliable website, produce the original verses.


😆 You could go to sacredtexts website. Or any website which has Rig Veda translation. Or Rig Veda in Sanskrit.


Oh, yes. Rig Veda mentions Krishna. You could argue it's not the same man but another Krishna with cows who battled Indra on the banks of Yamuna/Amshumati, but Rig Veda mentions Krishna. No amount of mockery will make that go away.

Edited by HearMeRoar - 3 years ago
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Posted: 3 years ago

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar


😆 You could go to sacredtexts website. Or any website which has Rig Veda translation. Or Rig Veda in Sanskrit.


Oh, yes. Rig Veda mentions Krishna. You could argue it's not the same man but another Krishna with cows who battled Indra on the banks of Yamuna/Amshumati, but Rig Veda mentions Krishna. No amount of mockery will make that go away.

Ok... I have this genuine question -

Was Rigveda written before Mahabharata or Krishna Janm? If yes then how come it mentions war between indra and Krishna even before krishna was born?

Edited by NathuPyare - 3 years ago

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