Which BW movie character you would choose as life partner? - Page 5

Citation from subdharaharan parva -

Krishna himself accepts that given a choice subdhara might not choose arjuna as her life partner

Vasudeva answered, 'O bull amongst men, self-choice hath been ordained for the marriage of Kshatriyas. But that is doubtful (in its consequences), O Partha, as we do not know this girl s temper and disposition. In the case of Kshatriyas that are brave, a forcible abduction for purposes of marriage is applauded, as the learned have said. Therefore O Arjuna, carry away this my beautiful sister by force, for who knows what she may do at a self-choice.' Then Krishna and Arjuna, having thus settled as to what should be done sent some speedy messengers unto Yudhishthira at Indraprastha, informing him of everything. The strong-armed Yudhishthira, as soon as he heard it, gave his assent to it.'"

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01222.htm

Arjun forcefully abducts subdhara ,. Subdhara plays no part -

"The son of Kunti, afflicted with the shafts of the god of desire, suddenly rushed towards that Yadava girl of faultless features and forcibly took her into his car. Having seized that girl of sweet smiles, that tiger among men proceeded in his car of gold towards his own city (Indraprastha). "

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01223.htm

Originally posted by: catchmeifucan

Might as well tag me, no? Ab is pyar ka mein kya naam du? 😭 😆

Anyway, I NEVER argue with anyone about my religious texts or beliefs because I know they don’t need anyone to defend them. They lasted all these Millions of years without me having to protect them and I think they shall continue to prevail on their own.

@BOLD: Got to give it to you that you at least are not sneakily reporting people behind their backs! You know someone was stalking me for the past 10 days and have reported all my posts from behind my back. The worst thing is, they didn’t report the posts which I was replying to.:(

The point is that for MB text is available. Saying that Krishna reprimanded Draupadi or Vasundhara willingly ran away with Arjun is not right because they have no textual evidence. That s just people blandly relying on tv-shows

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

This is such a gutter chhap post and shockingly none of the self proclaimed Krishna and Arjun lovers could spot anything wrong when the post starts itself with a lie or purposeful malicious distortion.

Arjun didn't kidnap Subhadra. He eloped with her and that too Subhadra had the reins of the chariot on advice and permission of Krishna himself.

I wont even go to the rest of horrible bakwas this post does.

And now it is I who will be blamed for spoiling a fun thread and spreading negativity.

I've reported the post, vented out my anger and now I'm out. You can play victim now for all I care.

😆 I don't have to play victim. VYASA can. Because you just called HIM gutter chaap, not me, for writing exactly what I said.

Buddy, crack open MBh and read. In the northern recension, Subhadra didn't even notice Arjun. He kidnapped her. It wasn't an elopement.

Arjun fans don't object because if they've read the text, they know it's what Vyasa said. Arjun is admirable for other reasons, his willingness to sacrifice material things for peace most of all. Another is his transformation into Brihannala to provide security for Panchali.

But his behavior with women as lovers was not one of his good traits.

Any mod who checks rhe reported post, please take the trouble to check the relevant text.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01222.htm

"Vasudeva answered, 'O bull amongst men, self-choice hath been ordained for the marriage of Kshatriyas. But that is doubtful (in its consequences), O Partha, as we do not know this girl's temper and disposition. In the case of Kshatriyas that are brave, a forcible abduction for purposes of marriage is applauded, as the learned have said. Therefore O Arjuna, carry away this my beautiful sister by force, for who knows what she may do at a self-choice.' Then Krishna and Arjuna, having thus settled as to what should be done sent some speedy messengers unto Yudhishthira at Indraprastha, informing him of everything. The strong-armed Yudhishthira, as soon as he heard it, gave his assent to it.'"

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01223.htm

Meanwhile Subhadra, having paid her homage unto that prince of hills, Raivataka and having worshipped the deities and made the Brahmanas utter benedictions upon her, and having also walked round the hill, was coming towards Dwaravati. The son of Kunti, afflicted with the shafts of the god of desire, suddenly rushed towards that Yadava girl of faultless features and forcibly took her into his car. Having seized that girl of sweet smiles, that tiger among men proceeded in his car of gold towards his own city (Indraprastha). Meanwhile, the armed attendants of Subhadra, beholding her thus seized and taken away, all ran, crying towards the city of Dwaraka.

Subhadra didn't even notice Arjun. Arjun noticed her. Krishna says he doesn't know what Subhadra would do if she is actually given a choice. He encourages Arjun to kidnap her, which he does.

So NathuPyaare, before you argue what was what in Mahabharata, please take the trouble to read the text first. NOTE CAREFULLY THE WORD *FORCE* USED MULTIPE TIMES. What I said is not an interpretation, true or false. It's exactly what Vyasa wrote. Kidnapping, not elopement.

And yeah, it's the same in Critical Edition.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Insulting to who? Krishna? 😆 I doubt he'd be insulted by the fact I don't particularly want to marry him. Knowing what Vyasa wrote about the dude, he'd prob be like, phew, dodged a bullet.

You clearly are insulted. Sorry, I don't have to have the same opinions as you. Feel free to declare Krishna the most marriage able man if you want. Not for me.

Insulting to both Krishna and the ones who revere him. As for you not wanting to marry him neither is Krishna a bw movie character, as per the theme of this thread, nor is he attainable to mere mortals like us. So spare him your permission or intention, or lack of it to marry.

You yourself have accepted that there are other versions. Which one is more accepted is not a proof of that one being absolute truth.

As for me, I'm more of a meditation- spiritual guy, than someone scanning religious texts to attain knowledge for debates

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

Insulting to both Krishna and the ones who revere him. As for you not wanting to marry him neither is Krishna a bw movie character, as per the theme of this thread, nor is he attainable to mere mortals like us. So spare him your permission or intention, or lack of it to marry.

For the 3rd or 4th time, I was responding to a friend who said she'd marry Krishna. 😆 I did not treat Krishna as a Bollywood character or bring him into the discussion.

As for your reverence, it can't be that deep if a joke from someone else insults it. Perhaps you should read what Krishna says a little more.

Paraphrasing Pattnaik:

Your world is a perception based on your prejudices, shaped by your fears, fueled by your ignorance.

The world of those around you is also a perception created by prejudices, fears, and ignorance.

Wisdom is ability to appreciate your perceptions and other people’s perceptions with empathy.

I, Krishna, appreciate all subjective realities, without judgement, with affection, hence am God

Since i was the one who brought Krishna. Let me declare that I will say it in Thousand different ways in Thousand different threads that he is the one man i will marry. Nobody can stop me from declaring my love for my man my lord.

He is my ultimate crush. Call him a man. Call him a god. But he is the one.

I will even matako like Aishwarya Rai in FF s gif with sindoor ki dibbi. And none can stop me.

Originally posted by: M.Wheeler

Since i was the one who brought Krishna. Let me declare that I will say it in Thousand different ways in Thousand different threads that he is the one man i will marry. Nobody can stop me from declaring my love for my man my lord.

He is my ultimate crush. Call him a man. Call him a god. But he is the one.

I will even matako like Aishwarya Rai in FF s gif with sindoor ki dibbi. And none can stop me.

Then you must listen to this. I’m on day 16. On day 8 my boss asked me how my day was going. I’m pretty sure on day 17 which is tomorrow he’ll ask me if I’m hungry and want to grab lunch. I did see him slyly smile the other day in the hallway.

https://youtu.be/BNeKF1ju678

No God is insulted by whatever we say about them....humari itni aukaat kahan ki hum Gods ko insult karein😆.....na hi kissi ki itni aukaat hai ki Bhagwaan Sri Ram ko Ayodhya mein haath pakad kar le kar aaye....people should be more insulted by that than mythological stories which have different sources....just because you read a slightly different version...doesn't mean that other sources saying something different don't exist...😆

This is my thing....and its in general...nothing and no one from this thread.....the Hindus who support the bullying of Muslims or other religion people by Extremist Hindus....do not realize that once these extremists are done bullying other religion people ...they will come after you also.....the Secular/liberal Hindus...the meat eating Hindus....the not well read Hindus...the this caste Hindu and that caste Hindu....that is why bullying needs to be nipped in the bud....otherwise there is no end to it....Look at the Muslim terrorists....they don't discriminate.....they kill more Muslims who do not conform to their ideology..

and lastly...people should stop worrying and fighting about Gods...like Allah or Shri Ram...they don't need us to defend them....we need them...not the otherway round..how difficult is that to understand and how ridiculous is people trying to protect their Gods.😆

Originally posted by: NathuPyare

Pattnaik? U mean devdutt Pattnaik? If you take that guy seriously then i should be the one to stop taking u seriously (not that i do very much).

Forget everything. Sau baaton ki ek baat - discuss religion or religious figures where it is meant to be (this forum is certainly not for it) and even while doing so try to be neutral if not downright insulting. U r free to act otherwise too but then that's where mods come into picture.

You don't want Pattnaik?😆 I don't like him either, but he was the easiest to quote without all the flowery language.

The essence is the same. You have your preconceptions, your perceptions, your prejudices. I have mine. Understand we can differ and are not being insulting when we differ.

Also can people not jump in middle of conversation they have absolutely no context about.

Me and Hearmeroar say alot of things not , alot of inside jokes etc that many here will not understand because again they don't know the context. In such cases its ok to let it go.

Social media and anonymity gives alot of power to get away with lot of things. But that should not prompts us to even forget basic decency. .