Dancer Exposes Alia - Page 4

Some IF members can be so bitter

Okay so Alia can be excused for bad dancing because it's in her character.

But doesn't that mean all actors can be excused for bad dancing almost all the time? How many times do actors play the role of a trained dancer Lol?😆

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

Okay so Alia can be excused for bad dancing because it's in her character.

But doesn't that mean all actors can be excused for bad dancing almost all the time? How many times do actors play the role of a trained dancer Lol?😆

My point is that her dance performance in this particular song gets that leeway because it's Gangubai letting the rhythm get to her. It's not that off base. This movie is a biopic in case people here need a reminder. Would you expect someone playing Sunny Deol's biopic for whatever odd reason later on to dance like Hrithik Roshan? I sure don't. 😆😆

If there are other dance performances where the actresses were enacting a real life character, yes, they shouldn't be dancing like a pro. If they're brilliant dancers and the director wants to capitalize on that, it's totally fine because top notch performances pull people to theaters too. But it's not a must for every movie, certainly not if it's a biopic. Vidya in Ooh La La had to dance the way she did there to keep up with the story, correct? But if it's a fictional character in a dystopian world like Ram Leela where creativity rules, she better dance like Deepika did to Dhol Baje because dance becomes a part and parcel of the entertainment value there.

Alia isn't the best dancer of the lot by any means but she is not required to put on a national dance award worthy performance in a biopic.

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

My point is that her dance performance in this particular song gets that leeway because it's Gangubai letting the rhythm get to her. It's not that off base. This movie is a biopic in case people here need a reminder. Would you expect someone playing Sunny Deol's biopic for whatever odd reason later on to dance like Hrithik Roshan? I sure don't. 😆😆

If there are other dance performances where the actresses were enacting a real life character, yes, they shouldn't be dancing like a pro. If they're brilliant dancers and the director wants to capitalize on that, it's totally fine because top notch performances pull people to theaters too. But it's not a must for every movie, certainly not if it's a biopic. Vidya in Ooh La La had to dance the way she did there to keep up with the story, correct? But if it's a fictional character in a dystopian world like Ram Leela where creativity rules, she better dance like Deepika did to Dhol Baje because dance becomes a part and parcel of the entertainment value there.

Alia isn't the best dancer of the lot by any means but she is not required to put on a national dance award worthy performance in a biopic.

Sunny Deol is specifically known for his bad dancing so the comparison is not correct.

And SLB is never known for making anything authentic to real life even if he shows real life characters in his movies. His characters are grand just like his sets. The real Gangubai would never have been able to kick a man and make him fly away. But it was still shown in the trailer. Alia is being shown as a superhuman, a masala movie hero, not a real life person.

So using the excuse that "it's a biopic" just to cover up for her bad dancing while ignoring that the movie looks nothing like it resembles real life doesn't make sense.

If Alia can't dance, and the character of Gangubai was never supposed to dance, then there was no need to show her dancing in the movie. They show her dancing because they wanted to entertain the audience. They just failed at it.

Khilji never danced at Khalibali either. Nor Mastani and Kashibai did Pinga together. Still they showed all that. SLB didn't give a damn about authenticity that time neither he did this time. He just failed to sell it with Alia.

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

Sunny Deol is specifically known for his bad dancing so the comparison is not correct.

And SLB is never known for making anything authentic to real life even if he shows real life characters in his movies. His characters are grand just like his sets. The real Gangubai would never have been able to kick a man and make him fly away. But it was still shown in the trailer. Alia is being shown as a superhuman, a masala movie hero, not a real life person.

So using the excuse that "it's a biopic" just to cover up for her bad dancing while ignoring that the movie looks nothing like it resembles real life doesn't make sense.

If Alia can't dance, and the character of Gangubai was never supposed to dance, then there was no need to show her dancing in the movie. They show her dancing because they wanted to entertain the audience. They just failed at it.

Khilji never danced at Khalibali either. Nor Mastani and Kashibai did Pinga together. Still they showed all that. SLB didn't give a damn about authenticity that time neither he did this time. He just failed to sell it with Alia.

You do realize that the supposed "bad dancing" that some perpetually offended souls on IF want to ax her over, is just an opinion--not a fact? You and Shaitaan are not connoisseurs of dancing, now are you, such that if you find someone's dancing atrocious, it should be registered as a fact? 😆

Plenty of people think she totally slayed it and did full justice to those moves while staying in character. Do you think they're all delusional? 😆 I don't think it was that great, but I also didn't find it that atrocious either. So, the "bad dancing" is subjective here and therefore doesn't require a "cover up" among a few I-F naysayers, certainly not from me. You and Shaitaan are the ones sneering and ROFL-ing over something I posted yesterday cuz anything else apart from your opinion is just so totally cuckoo to you guys that you can't even bring yourselves to be civil about it. 😆

When was the last time SLB made a biopic? Black? That movie didn't have songs..... and the rest of the periodical dramas go so far back that you can't tell fact from fiction, and therefore open to interpretations and creativity. Gangubai is a story of a woman's grit and fight through some of the most unfortunate times. If you ask me, it would look absolutely ridiculous if she, with that demeanor of a mafia/don, broke into Salaam Iss Dil Ko with adaa and nazakat a la Aishwarya in Umraao Jaan or Deepika who was a princess/queen in both Padmavat, Bajirao.

From the moment she walks in to the way she busts those moves, she is visibly channeling Gangubai. You can see it. The performance is not an attempt to awe people with refined dance moves. If the intention was to pass her off as a dancing courtesan with top moves, I'm sure they would have included it in the movie and it would have been Ghar More Pardesiya repeat performance. But it doesn't do that. So, there you have it, her dance is totally acceptable given the context, according to moi.

Aloo doesn't need anyone to expose. She is enough to expose herself. Haven't you seen her frog jumping dance in ghar more pardesi babua.. song.

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

My point is that her dance performance in this particular song gets that leeway because it's Gangubai letting the rhythm get to her. It's not that off base. This movie is a biopic in case people here need a reminder. Would you expect someone playing Sunny Deol's biopic for whatever odd reason later on to dance like Hrithik Roshan? I sure don't. 😆😆

If there are other dance performances where the actresses were enacting a real life character, yes, they shouldn't be dancing like a pro. If they're brilliant dancers and the director wants to capitalize on that, it's totally fine because top notch performances pull people to theaters too. But it's not a must for every movie, certainly not if it's a biopic. Vidya in Ooh La La had to dance the way she did there to keep up with the story, correct? But if it's a fictional character in a dystopian world like Ram Leela where creativity rules, she better dance like Deepika did to Dhol Baje because dance becomes a part and parcel of the entertainment value there.

Alia isn't the best dancer of the lot by any means but she is not required to put on a national dance award worthy performance in a biopic.

I asked this earlier but no answer..u answer pls.

Is this topic about Alia's dance as Gangubai in the movie or this specific reel with another dancer where she is Alia, not Gangubai..

In the reel the other girl is definitely better, has that feminine lachak, agility..enjoys her dance and is very expressive..while Alia is kinda stiff and straight faced.

About the movie..we will know when we watch.

Expressions were USP of Madhuri..that's the reason she is considered one of the greatest dancers..even when some people find others technically superior.

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

You do realize that the supposed "bad dancing" that some perpetually offended souls on IF want to ax her over, is just an opinion--not a fact? You and Shaitaan are not connoisseurs of dancing, now are you, such that if you find someone's dancing atrocious, it should be registered as a fact? 😆

Plenty of people think she totally slayed it and did full justice to those moves while staying in character. Do you think they're all delusional? 😆 I don't think it was that great, but I also didn't find it that atrocious either. So, the "bad dancing" is subjective here and therefore doesn't require a "cover up" among a few I-F naysayers, certainly not from me. You and Shaitaan are the ones sneering and ROFL-ing over something I posted yesterday cuz anything else apart from your opinion is just so totally cuckoo to you guys that you can't even bring yourselves to be civil about it. 😆

When was the last time SLB made a biopic? Black? That movie didn't have songs..... and the rest of the periodical dramas go so far back that you can't tell fact from fiction, and therefore open to interpretations and creativity. Gangubai is a story of a woman's grit and fight through some of the most unfortunate times. If you ask me, it would look absolutely ridiculous if she, with that demeanor of a mafia/don, broke into Salaam Iss Dil Ko with adaa and nazakat a la Aishwarya in Umraao Jaan or Deepika who was a princess/queen in both Padmavat, Bajirao.

From the moment she walks in to the way she busts those moves, she is visibly channeling Gangubai. You can see it. The performance is not an attempt to awe people with refined dance moves. If the intention was to pass her off as a dancing courtesan with top moves, I'm sure they would have included it in the movie and it would have been Ghar More Pardesiya repeat performance. But it doesn't do that. So, there you have it, her dance is totally acceptable given the context, according to moi.

The only offended soul here is you.

You were not the first person to give this excuse on this forum or even on this thread, that Alia's "flawed" or bad dancing is because Gangubai is not supposed to be a trained dancer. So nobody is laughing at you specifically. You're taking that upon yourself.

And no, I'm not some expert dancer and neither I can cook. But I can still tell the difference between good food and shitty food. I never called anyone delusional or questioned their opinion on Alia's dancing. I was questioning the EXCUSE people were giving to cover up for her bad or "flawed" dance performance.

BM and Padmaavat weren't that far back in history that it was impossible to tell the difference between fact and fiction. Never in history have I read two royal soutens dancing together, or a queen doing item number in front of the king. That's not creativity. That's just butchering historical characters.

SLB has never cared about accurate portrayals of real life characters. Of course Alia won't repeat the Ghamoriyan Pardesiya performance here, not because of authenticity but because she was badly trolled for that. Otherwise if they have cared about real life portrayal of Gangubai, then they won't have showed her as female version of Chulbul Pandey.

I was not expecting her to dance like Madhuri. But whatever she was given she still messed it up and it doesn't look good.

Originally posted by: niyati13

I asked this earlier but no answer..u answer pls.

Is this topic about Alia's dance as Gangubai in the movie or this specific reel with another dancer where she is Alia, not Gangubai..

In the reel the other girl is definitely better, has that feminine lachak, agility..enjoys her dance and is very expressive..while Alia is kinda stiff and straight faced.

About the movie..we will know when we watch.

Expressions were USP of Madhuri..that's the reason she is considered one of the greatest dancers..even when some people find others technically superior.

Does anyone rigidly stay on topic....ever? If you've been on the forum long enough, you should know that topics take their own turns after the first few posts. So, I'm not sure what "answer" you are looking for. But skimming through the past few posts should give you a rough idea on the hot topic of the moment.

The other girl was more energetic, and I'd say she has a different dancing style too but I also found her unnecessarily jumpy at times. That doesn't take away from the fact that she's a great dancer but her dance also totally pulls out of Gangubai's character. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? That's up to your opinion. If you need an illustration of what it should have ideally looked like, watch Ranveer imitating Dholida movies with Alia, he nails not just the dance but also the character's body language! 😆 So, Ranveer wins over everyone else as far as dance moves + character go. 😆

Originally posted by: SmittenKitten

Does anyone rigidly stay on topic....ever? If you've been on the forum long enough, you should know that topics take their own turns after the first few posts. So, I'm not sure what "answer" you are looking for. But skimming through the past few posts should give you a rough idea on the hot topic of the moment.

The other girl was more energetic, and I'd say she has a different dancing style too but I also found her unnecessarily jumpy at times. That doesn't take away from the fact that she's a great dancer but her dance also totally pulls out of Gangubai's character. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? That's up to your opinion. If you need an illustration of what it should have ideally looked like, watch Ranveer imitating Dholida movies with Alia, he nails not just the dance but also the character's body language! 😆 So, Ranveer wins over everyone else as far as dance moves + character go. 😆

Ya Ranveer is a good dancer..

And don't think the girl intended to stay in character