Sleet of Emotional Quivers on RadhaKrishn Love CC#11 - Page 56

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Problem for those who deny it is that Karna makes it very clear what dasi means in that context. Sex slave.

These aren't mostly Karna's fans

They might say that he was exploiting Adharmikly

Originally posted by: vyapti

Didn't Shishupal or someone else call Krishna son of a Dasa of Kans?

I don't remember that part, but even if it were it all the more shows that this word was bad enough to be used as a slur.

They were using it metaphorically and as a slur based on the context

Was Krishna born 8 years after Vasudev-Devaki marriage? Was she giving birth to sons every year? Like what's the timeline of the events between their marriage and Krishna's birth?

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

These aren't mostly Karna's fans

They might say that he was exploiting Adharmikly

Actually if Dasi had no connection to sex slavery then Yudhisthira would not narrate her attractiveness before staking her.

Originally posted by: vyapti

Actually if Dasi had no connection to sex slavery then Yudhisthira would not narrate her attractiveness before staking her.

Dharmic king Yudhishtira even described how little hair she had on her body.

‘Yudhishthira replied, “She is neither too short, nor too tall. She is neither too dark, nor toored. Her eyes are red with love and I will play with you for her. Her eyes are like the petals oflotuses in the autumn. Her fragrance is like that of lotuses in the autumn. Her beauty servesthat of lotuses in the autumn. Her beauty is like that of Shri herself. Such is her lack ofcruelty, her wealth of beauty and the goodness of her conduct, that every man desires her fora wife. She retires to bed last and she is the first one to wake up. She looks after the cowherdsand the shepherds. She knows everything about what should be done and what should not bedone. When covered with sweat, her face looks like a lotus or a jasmine. Her waist is shapedlike an altar. Her hair is long. Her eyes are copper-red. She does not have too much of bodyhair. O king! O Soubala! I will make the beautiful Droupadi of Panchala, slender of waist, mystake. Let us play.”’

No way this man didn't know what Kauravas expected of her.

Originally posted by: Life_Is_Dutiful

Was Krishna born 8 years after Vasudev-Devaki marriage? Was she giving birth to sons every year? Like what's the timeline of the events between their marriage and Krishna's birth?

Harivamsa is peculiar in this. There was no imprisonment. Devaki was in her own home, and Kansa's spies were watching. In one part, it says Kansa killed the 7 babies against a rock. In a later part, it says her 7th conception was aborted.

My feeling is that Kamsa made sure she took something in food which caused he to abort every time. It took her 7 tries to learn her lesson.

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_004.html

Not copy/pasting the whole thing.

vaishaMpAyana uvAcha

kR^ite garbhavidhAne tu devakI devatopamA |

jagrAha sapta tAngarbhAnyathAvatsamudAhR^itAn ||2-4-1

vaishaMpAyana said:

After being conceived, goddess-like devakI, had seven conceptions, as pronounced (by viShNu to yogamAyA) before.

ShaDgarbhAnnissR^itAnkaMsastA~njaghAna shilAtale |

ApannaM saptamaM garbhaM sA ninAyAtha rohiNIm ||2-4-2

kaMsa killed those shaDgarbhA-s (first six conceptions) by smashing them against rock. She (yogamAyA) transferred the seventh conception to rohiNI.

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tasya garbhasya mArgeNa garbhamAdhatta devakI |

yadarthaM sapta te garbhAH kaMsena vinipAtitAH ||2-4-8

After her (seventh) conception was aborted, devakI conceived (for the eighth time), for which, kaMsa had destroyed her seven conceptions.

taM tu garbhaM prayatnena rarakShustasya mantriNaH |

so.apyatra garbhavasatau vasatyAtmechChayA hariH ||2-4-9

The ministers (of kaMsa) guarded that conception with careful efforts. But then, hari (viShNu) was residing in her womb at his self will.

yashodApi samAdhatta garbhaM tadahareva tu |

viShNoH sharIrajAM nidrAM viShNunirdeshakAriNIm ||2-4-10

The same day, yashodA, conceived nidrA who carries out the instructions of viShNu and who manifested from viShNu's body.

garbhakAle tvasaMpUrNe aShTame mAsi te striyau |

devakI cha yashodA cha suShuvAte samaM tadA ||2-4-11

Before the completion of the normal period of pregnancy, the women, devakI and yashodA delivered in the eighth month at the same time.

yAmeva rajanIM kR^iShNo jaj~ne vR^iShNikulodvahaH |

tAmeva rajanIM kanyAM yashodApi vyajAyata ||2-4-12

A girl was born to yashodA at the same time of the same night when kR^iShNa, who elevates the (fame of) vR^iShNi race was born.

nandagopasya bhAryaikA vasudevasya chAparA |

tulyakAlaM cha garbhiNyau yashodA devakI tathA ||2-4-13

One (yashodA) was the wife of nandagopa and the other (devakI) was the wife of vasudeva. Both yashodA and devakI became pregnant almost at the same time.

devakyajanayadviShNuM yashodA tAM tu dArikAm |

muhUrte.abhijiti prApte sArdharAtre vibhUShite || 2-4-14

In the midnight, at the auspicious time of abhijit, devakI, gave birth to viShNu and yashodA gave birth to a girl.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Harivamsa is peculiar in this. There was no imprisonment. Devaki was in her own home, and Kansa's spies were watching. In one part, it says Kansa killed the 7 babies against a rock. In a later part, it says her 7th conception was aborted.

My feeling is that Kamsa made sure she took something in food which caused he to abort every time. It took her 7 tries to learn her lesson.

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_004.html

Not copy/pasting the whole thing.

vaishaMpAyana uvAcha

kR^ite garbhavidhAne tu devakI devatopamA |

jagrAha sapta tAngarbhAnyathAvatsamudAhR^itAn ||2-4-1

vaishaMpAyana said:

After being conceived, goddess-like devakI, had seven conceptions, as pronounced (by viShNu to yogamAyA) before.

ShaDgarbhAnnissR^itAnkaMsastA~njaghAna shilAtale |

ApannaM saptamaM garbhaM sA ninAyAtha rohiNIm ||2-4-2

kaMsa killed those shaDgarbhA-s (first six conceptions) by smashing them against rock. She (yogamAyA) transferred the seventh conception to rohiNI.

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tasya garbhasya mArgeNa garbhamAdhatta devakI |

yadarthaM sapta te garbhAH kaMsena vinipAtitAH ||2-4-8

After her (seventh) conception was aborted, devakI conceived (for the eighth time), for which, kaMsa had destroyed her seven conceptions.

taM tu garbhaM prayatnena rarakShustasya mantriNaH |

so.apyatra garbhavasatau vasatyAtmechChayA hariH ||2-4-9

The ministers (of kaMsa) guarded that conception with careful efforts. But then, hari (viShNu) was residing in her womb at his self will.

yashodApi samAdhatta garbhaM tadahareva tu |

viShNoH sharIrajAM nidrAM viShNunirdeshakAriNIm ||2-4-10

The same day, yashodA, conceived nidrA who carries out the instructions of viShNu and who manifested from viShNu's body.

garbhakAle tvasaMpUrNe aShTame mAsi te striyau |

devakI cha yashodA cha suShuvAte samaM tadA ||2-4-11

Before the completion of the normal period of pregnancy, the women, devakI and yashodA delivered in the eighth month at the same time.

yAmeva rajanIM kR^iShNo jaj~ne vR^iShNikulodvahaH |

tAmeva rajanIM kanyAM yashodApi vyajAyata ||2-4-12

A girl was born to yashodA at the same time of the same night when kR^iShNa, who elevates the (fame of) vR^iShNi race was born.

nandagopasya bhAryaikA vasudevasya chAparA |

tulyakAlaM cha garbhiNyau yashodA devakI tathA ||2-4-13

One (yashodA) was the wife of nandagopa and the other (devakI) was the wife of vasudeva. Both yashodA and devakI became pregnant almost at the same time.

devakyajanayadviShNuM yashodA tAM tu dArikAm |

muhUrte.abhijiti prApte sArdharAtre vibhUShite || 2-4-14

In the midnight, at the auspicious time of abhijit, devakI, gave birth to viShNu and yashodA gave birth to a girl.

Did Kansa kill Yogamaya or not?

I read a joke that says that Kansa was the most stupid person on earth. Despite knowing that Devaki's son would kill him he kept Devaki in the same cell with Vasudev ( as per SB)

Originally posted by: vyapti

Did Kansa kill Yogamaya or not?

No.

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_004.html

he child who was in a pathetic condition in the womb, her hair still wet with the water of the womb, was placed on the earth in front of kaMsa by devakI who is equal to earth (in patience). The man grabbed the child for throwing her.

He whirled her around and suddenly threw her against the rock forcefully. The girl, who was thrown against the rock, slipped away and without being hit, rose in the sky.

Suddenly, she gave up the body of the new-born. With disheveled hair, adorned with celestial garlands and pastes, she addressed kaMsa.

All her limbs were shining with garlands. She was adorned with a dazzling crown. The goddess remained kanyA forever. She was praised by all deva-s.

She was dressed in blue and yellow. Her breasts were like elephant's heads. Her thighs were as broad as a chariot. Her face was beautiful like the moon. She had four arms.

Her complexion was bright like lightning. Her eyes were red like the morning sun. Her breasts were like rain clouds. She appeared like a cloudy twilight.

In the night engulfed by darkness, she dazzled with her bhUtagaNa-s. She danced, laughed and manifested with opposites.

The terrible Goddess rose in the sky. She drank the best drink. She laughed aloud and admonished kaMsa.

kaMsa, for your own destruction, you tried to kill me. You threw me all of a sudden against the rock.

Hence, at the time of your death, when your body is dragged by your enemy, I will tear it apart with my hands and drink the warm blood.

Uttering these terrible words, the goddess along with her followers, roamed in her celestial abode as she pleased.

That girl grew up there, worshipped by the vR^iShNI-s. As ordered by vasudeva, she was looked after like a son.

(janamejaya !) Understand that this Goddess is born from a portion of prajApati (brahmA). Hence she is simultaneously ekAnaMshA - one and without having any portion (division) (with brahma). The yogakanyA appeared for the protection of keshava.

All yadava-s with good mind worshipped her since she protected kR^iShNa with her divine body.

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This is the main reason I find the Subhadra = Ekanamsa theory ridiculous. Ekanamsa/Yogamaya/Devi Nidra was born on the same night as Krishna. She didn't even die to reincarnate later even if follow the divine aspect of the story. She stayed alive. Subhadra was a separate person.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

No.

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/vishnuparva/hv_2_004.html

he child who was in a pathetic condition in the womb, her hair still wet with the water of the womb, was placed on the earth in front of kaMsa by devakI who is equal to earth (in patience). The man grabbed the child for throwing her.

He whirled her around and suddenly threw her against the rock forcefully. The girl, who was thrown against the rock, slipped away and without being hit, rose in the sky.

Suddenly, she gave up the body of the new-born. With disheveled hair, adorned with celestial garlands and pastes, she addressed kaMsa.

All her limbs were shining with garlands. She was adorned with a dazzling crown. The goddess remained kanyA forever. She was praised by all deva-s.

She was dressed in blue and yellow. Her breasts were like elephant's heads. Her thighs were as broad as a chariot. Her face was beautiful like the moon. She had four arms.

Her complexion was bright like lightning. Her eyes were red like the morning sun. Her breasts were like rain clouds. She appeared like a cloudy twilight.

In the night engulfed by darkness, she dazzled with her bhUtagaNa-s. She danced, laughed and manifested with opposites.

The terrible Goddess rose in the sky. She drank the best drink. She laughed aloud and admonished kaMsa.

kaMsa, for your own destruction, you tried to kill me. You threw me all of a sudden against the rock.

Hence, at the time of your death, when your body is dragged by your enemy, I will tear it apart with my hands and drink the warm blood.

Uttering these terrible words, the goddess along with her followers, roamed in her celestial abode as she pleased.

That girl grew up there, worshipped by the vR^iShNI-s. As ordered by vasudeva, she was looked after like a son.

(janamejaya !) Understand that this Goddess is born from a portion of prajApati (brahmA). Hence she is simultaneously ekAnaMshA - one and without having any portion (division) (with brahma). The yogakanyA appeared for the protection of keshava.

All yadava-s with good mind worshipped her since she protected kR^iShNa with her divine body.

___________________

This is the main reason I find the Subhadra = Ekanamsa theory ridiculous. Ekanamsa/Yogamaya/Devi Nidra was born on the same night as Krishna. She didn't even die to reincarnate later even if follow the divine aspect of the story. She stayed alive. Subhadra was a separate person.

Yes Subhadra was much younger.

That means Kansa tried to kill her but failed. Why did not he try 2nd time? And why did he try to kill her? A girl can not contend for throne! Or did he already know that they smuggled the son out and so tried to kill her out of revenge?