Raghav hits new low everyday - Page 4

Originally posted by: inlieu

No, I am not expecting Pallavi to do something illogical. Please re-read my post.

I said If I were in Pallavi's place and I found out about that night, I would ask Raghav exactly what happened and trust that he wouldn't betray me.

Pallavi has the ability to see beyond what's right in front and she will figure it out. She's done it many times so I won't be surprised if she's able to this time as well, e.g. during the accident track. So was she wrong to go and figure out that it was Sunny? Something clicked in her mind and she asked Raghav to provide all the details he had so that she could piece things together, when he wasn't able to see who the actual culprit was.

Regarding what Raghav believes, perhaps you've missed all the discussions around men being socially conditioned to assume they are perpetrators by default.

What Raghav believes he did and what actually happened may not be the same, time will tell. If the genders were reversed, the reaction to all this would have been completely different. There are so many cases of women being given drugs and then assaulted, which they don't remember anything about later on. Doesn't that make them a victim regardless of whether they remember it?

I've called out several times that he shouldn't hide the truth from Pallavi and should tell her the whole truth. Lying or hiding is the wrong thing to do, it's unfair to her and to their marriage and can never be considered ok. If Raghav is proven to commit adultery, then I would never find that acceptable and no one would condone that. I will reserve my judgement until that is proven.

So before you accuse people of whitewashing please see the entire set of arguments.

I feel so bad that you have to literally defend Raghav and try and explain his point of view. I've been Mia since morning but I'm saddened to see these posts against Raghav. He doesn't deserve itna extreme reaction, he's a victim of circumstances and bad choices.

It's unfortunate that the track is so polarizing and complex and fans are feeling that his character is butchered. I don't know why so much tadka is required. Ufff..

Originally posted by: joliefemme

I feel so bad that you have to literally defend Raghav and try and explain his point of view. I've been Mia since morning but I'm saddened to see these posts against Raghav. He doesn't deserve itna extreme reaction, he's a victim of circumstances and bad choices.

It's unfortunate that the track is so polarizing and complex and fans are feeling that his character is butchered. I don't know why so much tadka is required. Ufff..

Thanks, dear. I'm feeling a bit worn out by all this. It's like an avalanche at the moment.

He made mistakes that he has to fix but as you said, not so extreme.

I don't think his character is being butchered but I get that some people do. The fact that he has been wronged is completely being ignored and I guess this will continue. 😔

Originally posted by: inlieu

If I were in Pallavi's place and I found out about that night, I would ask Raghav exactly what happened and trust that he wouldn't betray me. Then I would wipe the floor with Esha and send her to jail for taking advantage of my husband. I would be hurt that he didn't feel that he could share things with me but I would also try to understand why.

Sorry, silent reader of this forum, wondering if I missed something so asking, where is it shown that Isha took advantage of Raghav? Raghav was hallucinating it was Pallavi because he was drunk. Likewise Isha too was drunk. They both together made a drunken mistake. She just proceeded though he said Pallavi's name because she too was drunk and not in her senses. Both were drunk and wrong, it did not look like makers wanted to show sexual abuse? Just that Isha got carried away and so did Raghav. Did I miss something in the episode that indicates Isha assaulted Raghav?

Originally posted by: inlieu

Thanks, dear. I'm feeling a bit worn out by all this. It's like an avalanche at the moment.

He made mistakes that he has to fix but as you said, not so extreme.

I don't think his character is being butchered but I get that some people do. The fact that he has been wronged is completely being ignored and I guess this will continue. 😔

Don't expect them to acknowledge the violation. If they didn't acknowledge keerti scandal and Pallavi drugged, this won't even strike them.

Pls take rest. I can totally understand. I fought for Pallavi in the sari pleat episode and I know how difficult it is to defend their actions.

He will fix his mistakes coz that's Raghav. He's a sincere person who will repent. Hope he is able to learn from his mistakes and never repeat them. I'm waiting to see his growth.

Originally posted by: inlieu

No, I am not expecting Pallavi to do something illogical. Please re-read my post.

I said If I were in Pallavi's place and I found out about that night, I would ask Raghav exactly what happened and trust that he wouldn't betray me.

Pallavi has the ability to see beyond what's right in front and she will figure it out. She's done it many times so I won't be surprised if she's able to this time as well, e.g. during the accident track. So was she wrong to go and figure out that it was Sunny? Something clicked in her mind and she asked Raghav to provide all the details he had so that she could piece things together, when he wasn't able to see who the actual culprit was.

Regarding what Raghav believes, perhaps you've missed all the discussions around men being socially conditioned to assume they are perpetrators by default.

What Raghav believes he did and what actually happened may not be the same, time will tell. If the genders were reversed, the reaction to all this would have been completely different. There are so many cases of women being given drugs and then assaulted, which they don't remember anything about later on. Doesn't that make them a victim regardless of whether they remember it?

I've called out several times that he shouldn't hide the truth from Pallavi and should tell her the whole truth. Lying or hiding is the wrong thing to do, it's unfair to her and to their marriage and can never be considered ok. If Raghav is proven to commit adultery, then I would never find that acceptable and no one would condone that. I will reserve my judgement until that is proven.

So before you accuse people of whitewashing please see the entire set of arguments.

Why should she trust when he himself admits to the sin…a Man admits to have slept with another woman in an inebriated state, doesn’t confess it to her immediately, continues to meet the woman he slept with behind her back and his wife should still trust him..believe in his core values which he himself destroyed in an moment of weakness..I apologize in advance…this is nothing but a regressive misogynistic attitude towards women in general…expecting an understanding from a Victim towards her offender is more worst than not giving her justice…

Pallavi doesn’t owe Raghav anything…neither trust nor understanding…Raghav committed the sin on his own it’s his responsibility to atone his alone..excepting her to share his regret pain or guilt when she is the one who has been wronged here is completely unacceptable…

Originally posted by: Anu1975

Why should she trust when he himself admits to the sin…a Man admits to have slept with another woman in an inebriated state, doesn’t confess it to her immediately, continues to meet the women he slept with behind her back and his wife should still trust him..believe in his core values which he himself destroyed in an moment of weakness..I apologize in advance…this is nothing but a regressive misogynistic attitude towards women in general…expecting an understanding from a Victim towards her offender is more worst than not giving her justice…

Pallavi doesn’t owe Raghav anything…neither trust nor understanding…Raghav committed the sin on his own it’s his responsibility to atone his alone..excepting her to share his regret pain or guilt when she is the one who has been wronged here is completely unacceptable…

Pallavi doesn't owe Raghav anything? If he hasn't done the deed then what's there for him to atone for? We don't know this yet, and when the truth is revealed we'll see. If he's done it then she has every right to be angry, upset, feel betrayed etc. and he deserves to dissolve in misery as a result.

If the situations were reversed, I would think Raghav would also need to be understanding. This has nothing to do with misogyny but more about how the relationship works. While you see Pallavi as a victim, which she is on many fronts here, you do not seem to talk about Raghav being a victim of assault at all (not sure if it's because you don't see him as a victim or because you choose not to focus on that in your post).

Anyway, every person has their own perspective but I can see you using generic labels just because I am stating what's happened to Raghav. I am not the kind of person who talks about only one side of the coin. Talking about Raghav doesn't mean I am disregarding the kind of hell Pallavi might end up going through as the details come to light. Similarly, feeling Pallavi's pain as a woman doesn't mean I have to overlook Raghav's suffering. They are halves of a whole. If something affects one of them, then it affects the other one every single time.

Originally posted by: Qwerty1001

Sorry, silent reader of this forum, wondering if I missed something so asking, where is it shown that Isha took advantage of Raghav? Raghav was hallucinating it was Pallavi because he was drunk. Likewise Isha too was drunk. They both together made a drunken mistake. She just proceeded though he said Pallavi's name because she too was drunk and not in her senses. Both were drunk and wrong, it did not look like makers wanted to show sexual abuse? Just that Isha got carried away and so did Raghav. Did I miss something in the episode that indicates Isha assaulted Raghav?

Did you watch the episode?

Esha said she knew he was thinking about Pallavi at that time and that he was imagining being close with her but her reaction was so what? Pallavi isn't here, I am close to you now. Then she kissed him when he wasn't even awake.

Originally posted by: joliefemme

Don't expect them to acknowledge the violation. If they didn't acknowledge keerti scandal and Pallavi drugged, this won't even strike them.

Pls take rest. I can totally understand. I fought for Pallavi in the sari pleat episode and I know how difficult it is to defend their actions.

He will fix his mistakes coz that's Raghav. He's a sincere person who will repent. Hope he is able to learn from his mistakes and never repeat them. I'm waiting to see his growth.

I want him to grow too and realize that even simple things can get out of hand very quickly if you're not careful. Hopefully he also realizes what alcohol does to his ability to be coherent.

I am being labeled a misogynist because I chose to speak up for a man being wronged. Go figure.

Originally posted by: inlieu

I want him to grow too and realize that even simple things can get out of hand very quickly if you're not careful. Hopefully he also realizes what alcohol does to his ability to be coherent.

I am being labeled a misogynist because I chose to speak up for a man being wronged. Go figure.

No you're not a misogynist for standing by Raghav. From where I see, Esha framed him and he was stupid to walk into the trap. If it was Pallavi in place of Raghav also, we would say the same. If we remove the lens of gender and view this, it comes more clear. Raghav is wrong but he's not guilty of cheating. Sicku and his tadka to take things extreme is making it difficult for viewers to entirely sympathize with Raghav.

This track is a mirror image of the mandar track, ofcourse situations and feelings are different coz the tables are reversed. Raghav will repent and grow otherwise I don't see a point in this track.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Pallavi doesn't owe Raghav anything? If he hasn't done the deed then what's there for him to atone for? We don't know this yet, and when the truth is revealed we'll see. If he's done it then she has every right to be angry, upset, feel betrayed etc. and he deserves to dissolve in misery as a result.

If the situations were reversed, I would think Raghav would also need to be understanding. This has nothing to do with misogyny but more about how the relationship works. While you see Pallavi as a victim, which she is on many fronts here, you do not seem to talk about Raghav being a victim of assault at all (not sure if it's because you don't see him as a victim or because you choose not to focus on that in your post).

Anyway, every person has their own perspective but I can see you using generic labels just because I am stating what's happened to Raghav. I am not the kind of person who talks about only one side of the coin. Talking about Raghav doesn't mean I am disregarding the kind of hell Pallavi might end up going through as the details come to light. Similarly, feeling Pallavi's pain as a women doesn't mean I have to overlook Raghav's suffering. They are halves of a whole. If something affects one of them, then it affects the other one every single time.

He believes he Did…he did not fully pass out..he was in a semi conscious state to initiate and accept…he even remembered imagining Pallavi in Esha’s place next morning..there is no reason not to believe him unless they come up with something specific in future to negate it…but that’s hypothetical…as it stands it’s implied and accepted by both the individuals that they did indulge in intimacy..I don’t find any reason why Pallavi should not believe him..

Isn’t it not ironical that we except her to not to trust his confession on intimacy part but want her to fully trust his intent…

It hurts me that people expect her to be some kind of a super human being just to deny her basic rights and justice…not fair..

I rest my case here..