Barrister Babau Episode Discussion Thread - Page 46

Originally posted by: Unnatiiii_17

Me being in 2020 i'm not okay with this...i will not support it....if a woman got pregnant at the age of 13 it was wrong...it is wrong...it will remain wrong till the end of time for me...n Anirudh himself wants to change the society....if we give him a pass saying us time pe hota tha....is show ka...uske character ka purpose is defeated.

Ye saari cheezein isliye hi ruki kyuki they were wrong.... laws were made.....if we justify it sitting here....i pitty the reformers who fought for the change.

N us tym to bigamy bhi hoti thi to why was everyone pissed at Ani for marrying Mano....agr child marriage hota tha it was common ..ye hota tha...wo hota tha ...to Mano track se kyu problem h sbko?Wo bhi to hota tha na?

Child marriage is a social evil no doubt in that. That is why it had stopped. Personally I want girls' marriagable age to be raised to 21 from the present day 18. Then atleast girls will get a chance to finish their graduation peacefully.

But the society we live in will definitely influence our opinions. It is social conditioning. Your inability to accept Ani as a "good man" if he had romantic feelings for a 12 year, is also part of social conditioning. The society in which we live consider such men as pedophiles and we will not like to see our favorite character in that light. But period drama is a period drama. We cannot change the socio historic settings in a period drama. Rani Laxmi Bhai also married a 45 year old at the age of 12. But we cannot question their morals based on 21st century morals.

It is a fact that all human beings have wild impulses. Read the basis of psychoanalysis, you will understand. But what makes a person "normal" or rather socially acceptable is his/her behavior, how he/she controls the impulses and follow the accepted social norms. Based on the degree of this controlling of impulses, we categorize people as normal, insane, criminal etc. Sometimes we will hate a person to the extent of feeling killing that person but we will not act upon our impulse. We will control it. This controlling ability is the one which makes a difference between a normal, good or socially accepted person and a criminal or an immoral person.

Originally posted by: shirin04

ani was never attracted to bon in that way. Point black period. He was so repulsed by that idea that he ended up marrying another woman just to get everyone and bon's mind of this patni dharam.

I don't doubt he saw her as his future partner possibly, but I don't think his feelings as such were motivated by physical attraction but rather because of shared values and ideals that they had.

The only reason they were much more comfortable after marriage annulment and were freely hugging and stuff was because the thought of "pati-patni" rishta wasn't there and so ani felt more at ease about being around bon.

We saw ani's changing feelings only after the leap when he remembered adult bondita and how her physical Aproximity affected him. He wasn't imagining choti bon in those scenes except for the cute recall scenes which had nothing to do with romance or physical attraction.

He was never motivated or even entertained the thought of physical attraction to this child. Wo itna seedha hai ke... I don't even know how to say it. This guy was always so pure in his behavior and love towards Bondita that he locked up the memory of her innocence and the child she was in that room, he only remembered that for so many years, Bihari even said he had those children around him because he saw her in them. That's not something you say about a man who is attracted to a woman, he doesn't see her in children.

He only realized and saw her as this woman once she came back and stayed in front of him for that entire week, showing him the woman she has become... tab uske dimag se wo choti bondita ka image hatne laga aur yeh Badi Bondita settle hui.

The scenes where they tried to give such romantic notions were so wrong, the dances given to these two in the promotional events were also very wrong, all these implications should have NEVER happened. It is wrong in so many levels and pretty much put gasoline on the entire Aurrist shipping going on.

The entire aspect of physical attraction is still up in the air with Anirudh. He has not not done anything where he acted upon his impulse to touch her or treat her like a woman. Dimag me aya bhi nahi hai iss bande ka 😆 Why do we keep asking Bondita to do something? Because this man has not even thought about it.

Originally posted by: .Rinnie.

Soul mates hain, pyaar hain, wo sab hai inke beech. He saw her as the ideal partner due to her thoughts, her personality, her nature, the soul that she is. He wanted to push her to achieve that heights he knew she could. That is not wrong but trying to find physical or romantic attraction that you see between a man and a woman in their scenes preleap is wrong.

Mujhe bahut dikkat hua tha preleap isse hi... I did not like those scenes at all because it implies the wrong message. The man Anirudh is, the kind of devta manush they have made him to be, it isn't right for him to have been attracted to her in that. Even if biology, history, chemistry sab usko explain kar bhi de.. it is still wrong. Anirudh's moral compass is the STRONGEST that I have ever seen in fiction and in real life, he would not even entertain such a thought in regards to Bondita, if you are saying he did then that really puts a question mark on his morals.

Only difference is that he has the sense not to act upon the wrong. But that's not the case, Anirudh ke dimag me aaj tak nahi aya kuch bhi galat karne ko.

Bold : mujhe to iss baat ne sabse jyada shock kiya jab mene ye read kiya that Ani is like father & brother to bon their relationship is problematic🤪

Originally posted by: .Rinnie.

Okay, I wasn't going to say anything but I do find this kind of thought process to be wrong in regards to judging the difference in fiction and reality.

Hundred years back even if this was considered normal, it is not. The reason why all these kinds of child marriages were banned was because it is not normal. It shouldn't have been accepted then, it shouldn't be accepted even now in the form of fiction. Saying that because many people back then did it so it's normal for Ani to feel this way is wrong, that goes against the entire point of why Anirudh wanted to break this marriage, why he stood against CM. Uska moral compass yehi tha ke this entire thing happening to a child is wrong, forcing this child to be a woman at this age is wrong, viewing this child as a adult woman is wrong and he would never support it.

So far, whatever has been said here the basic idea that you are trying to put across is Ani was physically attracted or romantically, however you want to put it but he never acted on it due to the fact that he is morally correct man and he wants her consent and puts her free will above all else. When you view Anirudh as this man who can be physically attracted to a child, that's when you put a question mark on his character, on his morals, on his world views.

The entire SR track showed how traumatized he was by this idea.

Shipping actors and characters are completely different but the ideology that it's fine if they show in this fictional set up that there is this tension between a child and an adult but in real life if this happens, it's wrong. She is a 12 year old child. That's just a very weird mindset to have. It's wrong if they show it in fiction, it's wrong if they show it in reality too. It was wrong 100 years ago, it's wrong even now.
Anirudh kare ya koi bhi kare, kitna bhi ache se dikhaye. Galat hain for a man to be attracted physically to this child.

@ Bold

No, him being attracted has nothing to do with his morals. His actions regarding the attraction has everything to do with his morals. And his actions speak for itself.

A morally weaker man would have succumbed to his desires and to his emotions and gone ahead with the SR saying that it was acceptable then.

Ani is a man with the strongest morals ever seen. His feelings have never influenced him to do anything morally unacceptable. Him acting on his desires would have been wrong and morally unacceptable but he always stuck to those morals. And his morals said that a child being placed in a situation like this is wrong. And will always be. A grown up Bon was always the woman of his dreams, but a romantic relationship with a child was not something he would pursue, irrespective of his desires. And that is what makes Ani such a good ML.

Originally posted by: Arcturus_S

Child marriage is a social evil no doubt in that. That is why it had stopped. Personally I want girls' marriagable age to be raised to 21 from the present day 18. Then atleast girls will get a chance to finish their graduation peacefully.

But the society we live in will definitely influence our opinions. It is social conditioning. Your inability to accept Ani as a "good man" if he had romantic feelings for a 12 year, is also part of social conditioning. The society in which we live consider such men as pedophiles and we will not like to see our favorite character in that light. But period drama is a period drama. We cannot change the socio historic settings in a period drama. Rani Laxmi Bhai also married a 45 year old at the age of 12. But we cannot question their morals based on 21st century morals.

It is a fact that all human beings have wild impulses. Read the basis of psychoanalysis, you will understand. But what makes a person "normal" or rather socially acceptable is his/her behavior, how he/she controls the impulses and follow the accepted social norms. Based on the degree of this controlling of impulses, we categorize people as normal, insane, criminal etc. Sometimes we will hate a person to the extent of feeling killing that person but we will not act upon our impulse. We will control it. This controlling ability is the one which makes a difference between a normal, good or socially accepted person and a criminal or an immoral person.

I will myself never stay with a man who was interested in me when I was a kid....how can we accept watching it then?How are we any different from any person of that era?

Originally posted by: Arcturus_S

Child marriage is a social evil no doubt in that. That is why it had stopped. Personally I want girls' marriagable age to be raised to 21 from the present day 18. Then atleast girls will get a chance to finish their graduation peacefully.

But the society we live in will definitely influence our opinions. It is social conditioning. Your inability to accept Ani as a "good man" if he had romantic feelings for a 12 year, is also part of social conditioning. The society in which we live consider such men as pedophiles and we will not like to see our favorite character in that light. But period drama is a period drama. We cannot change the socio historic settings in a period drama. Rani Laxmi Bhai also married a 45 year old at the age of 12. But we cannot question their morals based on 21st century morals.

It is a fact that all human beings have wild impulses. Read the basis of psychoanalysis, you will understand. But what makes a person "normal" or rather socially acceptable is his/her behavior, how he/she controls the impulses and follow the accepted social norms. Based on the degree of this controlling of impulses, we categorize people as normal, insane, criminal etc. Sometimes we will hate a person to the extent of feeling killing that person but we will not act upon our impulse. We will control it. This controlling ability is the one which makes a difference between a normal, good or socially accepted person and a criminal or an immoral person.

Sorry for tapkoing in between.. But I just want to say that I support you in that case.. While watching Jodha Akbar we never accused akbar for having more than one wife.. We are too happy romanticizing them.. but in 21st century it's not right.. So while watching period drama time period keeping in mind is important.. Rabindranath Tagore, jagadish chandra bose, Kadambini Ganguly, Anandi Bai Joshi aise bohot sare examples hain..🤗

Originally posted by: Unnatiiii_17

Wahi naa he is like God among humans bhyi....his thinking....his actions...the way he treats everyone....the only word for him is divine and pure .....that guy never did a single thing for himself this entire time...starting se is suffering and suffering ....due his morals and open mindedness....phir when I hear such things about him.....I get angry.

this guy morals,his open mindedness his caring for bon when she was in cbilhood curbed under societalexpectattions

guys kahi na kahi bondita loves him as aaj voh inti educated,progressive,educated and smart barrister haui all due to ani values

if u see bon ek alag persona chram dikhega elder bon mein jo us choti bon neimagine nahi kiya hoga

the one who cosidered child marriage right ,rc bahu hone ka dharm.patni hone ka dhamr todaysays rudhivaadi samaaj and baal vovah as kupratha bachpam she used to feel bad but now she feels freedom due to anirudh making ehr free from it and forming her own opinons

uske jaisi ;akdi 1930 mein impssible infact abchpan se

the love developed between them is not normal isntead between 2 revolutionary people guys

Originally posted by: Ashley_m

@ Bold

No, him being attracted has nothing to do with his morals. His actions regarding the attraction has everything to do with his morals. And his actions speak for itself.

A morally weaker man would have succumbed to his desires and to his emotions and gone ahead with the SR saying that it was acceptable then.

Ani is a man with the strongest morals ever seen. His feelings have never influenced him to do anything morally unacceptable. Him acting on his desires would have been wrong and morally unacceptable but he always stuck to those morals. And his morals said that a child being placed in a situation like this is wrong. And will always be. A grown up Bon was always the woman of his dreams, but a romantic relationship with a child was not something he would pursue, irrespective of his desires. And that is what makes Ani such a good ML.

Ashley, in regards to being attracted to a child, thought and action both have equal weightage. No matter what biology or history explains, It is not right for anyone to even think I can be attracted to this small child who has not even grown up to have the body of an adult that can handle physical affection. And, Anirudh had this thought in those times when it was considered normal, aab ka chhodo... the fact he was so against it during that time period speaks so much about what kind of man he is.

This is especially more applicable for men, the gender that is most primate of animals, if he entertains such a thought the very next thing that happens is to act upon it. This is what statistics prove about men, they are driven by pure physical needs.

This is exactly why I do not look at this character of Anirudh through normal lens, he is not like other men or even women. All the social conditioning, history, etc etc does not apply to this man because he has been craved from a stone that is completely different from rest of the man. Why do we say it's not possible for a man like Anirudh to ever exist? Because it's not.

I equate their relationship to Radha-Krishna because their relationship actually has that purity the can be equated to godliness.

I know we should never compare this fictional character to a god and I have NEVER done that in my life but Anirudh is the first fictional character whom I can see that godliness in, he honestly imbues such traits and ideals in him. I'm not even exaggerating.

Originally posted by: .Rinnie.

Okay, I wasn't going to say anything but I do find this kind of thought process to be wrong in regards to judging the difference in fiction and reality.

Hundred years back even if this was considered normal, it is not. The reason why all these kinds of child marriages were banned was because it is not normal. It shouldn't have been accepted then, it shouldn't be accepted even now in the form of fiction. Saying that because many people back then did it so it's normal for Ani to feel this way is wrong, that goes against the entire point of why Anirudh wanted to break this marriage, why he stood against CM. Uska moral compass yehi tha ke this entire thing happening to a child is wrong, forcing this child to be a woman at this age is wrong, viewing this child as a adult woman is wrong and he would never support it.

So far, whatever has been said here the basic idea that you are trying to put across is Ani was physically attracted or romantically, however you want to put it but he never acted on it due to the fact that he is morally correct man and he wants her consent and puts her free will above all else. When you view Anirudh as this man who can be physically attracted to a child, that's when you put a question mark on his character, on his morals, on his world views.

The entire SR track showed how traumatized he was by this idea.

Shipping actors and characters are completely different but the ideology that it's fine if they show in this fictional set up that there is this tension between a child and an adult but in real life if this happens, it's wrong. She is a 12 year old child. That's just a very weird mindset to have. It's wrong if they show it in fiction, it's wrong if they show it in reality too. It was wrong 100 years ago, it's wrong even now.
Anirudh kare ya koi bhi kare, kitna bhi ache se dikhaye. Galat hain for a man to be attracted physically to this child.

Child marriage is absolutely wrong .

I didn't say showing attraction between a child and a grown up is fine in the present day setting. I only said we cannot judge a character from a historical drama with 21st century moral compass. The concept of right and wrong is not constant. It changes with time and it changes with different cultures too. There is something called social conditioning. Through social conditioning many beliefs will be naturalized and will be part of our belief system. The inability to accept that a good man can have attraction to a 12 year old is also part of the social conditioning of the society in which we live.

It is a fact that all human beings have wild animalistic impulses. We all have wild desires which we will never reveal to anyone, sometimes not even to our own conscious self. So controlling these impulses and channelizing them to socially accountable, moralistic paths matters a lot. How best a person can control the wild side, ultimately makes a person good or bad.

About fiction portraying such relationships is again depends on the social and historical background of the work. Many of the heroines from internationally famous works are under age girls. For example the much celebrated Juliette is just 14. Juliette and most of Shakespeare's heroines became underage because of the historical era in which he wrote it.

I watch BB because it never celebrated any of the social evils like CM or polygamy. The makers showed the negative side of these social evils through the lives of the protagonists themselves

ani was never interested in bon as a kid physically to sawaal hi nhi but ye bhi sach hai bon had all qualities of ani's ideal woman in her , so he was definitely attracted to those qualities of bon but it was against his morals to have any feelings for a kid specially whom he had saved from social norms & working for her better future.

I will not deny ani did developed some feelings for bon after heeramandi track coz he did accepted bon as his wife thou he never accepted any physical pleasure from her as he always maintain his distance from her , his feelings for bon started growing gradually till parivaar jeevan track where he got a reality check of his own feelings when he imagined bon has his bride gave him a reality check that he is going against his principles that's why he switched into zimmedari mode again , if u remember he rebuked bon to stop calling him pati babu &doing things for him or stepping in his room .

He never fell for mano but used that angle just to divert his mind from bon & bring bon back on right path .

Aap isse galat keh sakte ho but ani did started developing feelings for bon with came out after annulment track , even he was ready to free bon to choose her choice partner.