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Originally posted by: asmi_joya

Agree to disagree yaar 🤣

I feel my take on Virat is the unpopular opinion here 😆

Originally posted by: tptwi

Up until this point, Virat has never treated Sai as one treats their zimidari. She has always been more to him. Before she became his love or his wife, she was his family. Someone he cared deeply about and was never scared to show it. Sai has questioned the very foundation of that bond. To me, that dialogue came not from a place of ego, but a place of all hope being lost. He thinks there is no spot left in Sai’s life for him. He is dead inside. I personally felt that he was so broken not because she insulted him, but because she insulted his love for her (and not just romantic or husband type love). So, while him distancing himself will probably come across as his ego to many, I think that it will be a display of him having essentially given up…he truly believes that Sai’s happiness is without him. I didn’t see this dialogue as a threat. I saw it as the words of someone who feels as though they have just lost the love of their life. It’s not that he wants to show Sai what a deal marriage really is…it’s that this entire time, this was never a deal marriage to him…and now, the “truth” of it being so and never being able to be anything more (from his POV) has come crashing down on him. Again, I don’t know with how much certainty to take these words, because he, too, was in the heat of the moment. He will distance himself for sure, but I truly don’t think he will turn as cold as Rono…because he is incapable of doing so.

Virat just refuses to learn and would rather spend his time drowning in pity.

The way BeastLekha stalks him, haunts him, reminds him repeatedly of her care for him exclusively whether alone or infront of whole family - doesn't he see this as an urgent means for clarification?

Why is he only clarifying to his beast friend when he placed the boundary between himself and his wife for her?

Also one other thing that comes to mind, when Sunny showed didi the mirror, what did she say, 2 people are in a relationship - how can one just move on?

Isn't SaiRat marriage and his vaada to his friend a replica of that situation? Virat wants to move on bvz he's fallen for his wife but what about the foundation on which he married her? Who's going to remove that barrier?

Originally posted by: tptwi

Agree to disagree yaar 🤣

I feel my take on Virat is the unpopular opinion here 😆

Naah, all opinions are enjoyable to read.

Different perspectives maje the discussion more fun

Originally posted by: tptwi

Sai was suffering from mental collapse today. Not to justify her words, but she was engulfed in her own fears and pain. I don’t think her intention was to display a lack of trust in Virat. She knows he’s been loyal. Her point was he needs to clarify this entire mess once and for all…that’s what she wanted. But the way it came across made it seem like she was accusing him and was unacceptable. To give an example, Sai came running to tell only Virat about samrat, not even mohit. She was herself seemingly more excited than even Virat…she was bursting with happiness. She fought to make samrat claim is identity. All of this was for Virat…she knows how much he loves his jeeva. But, then during their fight, she was accusing him of not being happy…when her actions show that she knows how much Samrat means to him. This is because the moment she heard samrat talking about setting Pakhi free and the reason for him leaving, she broke. Her fears came crashing down on her like boulders. She forgot that Virat has been yearning for samrat every single day for the past year. My point is that the way in which Sai said things during the fight cannot be taken at face value, because she was not thinking rationally nor speaking rationally. And, to me, this is quite within her character. Maybe not to the same extent as Virat during his kaands, but she has also always spewed venom at him during her spells of hurt and pain…

About ousting…I will respond later…too much to say 🤣

Poignant 💔. In that sense, I feel bad for her too.

Originally posted by: Sofna

Virat just refuses to learn and would rather spend his time drowning in pity.

The way BeastLekha stalks him, haunts him, reminds him repeatedly of her care for him exclusively whether alone or infront of whole family - doesn't he see this as an urgent means for clarification?

Why is he only clarifying to his beast friend when he placed the boundary between himself and his wife for her?

Also one other thing that comes to mind, when Sunny showed didi the mirror, what did she say, 2 people are in a relationship - how can one just move on?

Isn't SaiRat marriage and his vaada to his friend a replica of that situation? Virat wants to move on bvz he's fallen for his wife but what about the foundation on which he married her? Who's going to remove that barrier?

I discussed much of this in a post I made about Virat a few days ago. Let me tag you so you can read if interested 😊

Originally posted by: Saichintalli

so she tried to make virat jealous, 😲 viru plz even if you don't give explanation to sai , plz game dhedho, we supported u alot today bezzathi math karlena humari🤣

Originally posted by: tptwi

I agree that Sai hasn’t said anything that will be a breach of trust. I was just describing the foundation of their relationship is way beyond husband and wife, and that foundation has been insulted by Sai.

As you have said, it’s Rono who is the egotistical one, so I feel as though we should keep these 2 characters separated. I personally won’t be engaging in any more conversations of comparison between these shows, because I see no point

Agreed that Virat‘s dialogue was a reflection of his entirely broken state. “I will show you what a deal marriage is” dialogue was not to be expected seeing the condition he was in.

Unpopular opinion, but I don’t think ego was involved in the ousting track either. I personally don’t think Virat has even an ounce of ego in him..his actions can come across that way, but he acts out of his emotions, not ego..

I feel the same and mentioned in one of the earlier posts 😬. I don't see him as egoistic considering how he apologizes and even tries to dissuade a situation with Sai after a fight.

Originally posted by: tptwi

Sai was suffering from mental collapse today. Not to justify her words, but she was engulfed in her own fears and pain. I don’t think her intention was to display a lack of trust in Virat. She knows he’s been loyal. Her point was he needs to clarify this entire mess once and for all…that’s what she wanted. But the way it came across made it seem like she was accusing him and was unacceptable. To give an example, Sai came running to tell only Virat about samrat, not even mohit. She was herself seemingly more excited than even Virat…she was bursting with happiness. She fought to make samrat claim is identity. All of this was for Virat…she knows how much he loves his jeeva. But, then during their fight, she was accusing him of not being happy…when her actions show that she knows how much Samrat means to him. This is because the moment she heard samrat talking about setting Pakhi free and the reason for him leaving, she broke. Her fears came crashing down on her like boulders. She forgot that Virat has been yearning for samrat every single day for the past year. My point is that the way in which Sai said things during the fight cannot be taken at face value, because she was not thinking rationally nor speaking rationally. And, to me, this is quite within her character. Maybe not to the same extent as Virat during his kaands, but she has also always spewed venom at him during her spells of hurt and pain…

About ousting…I will respond later…too much to say 🤣

@bold see we are back to actions vs words. Sais actions and words are not matching either 😂 just like Virats only action phase and no words.

Wonder if these people have a different idea when they use the term action 😂🙈

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

When I watched the episode the first time, it did not look threatening to me. It looked more like "you have always seen the thoughtful, attentive, caring side of me, now you will see the indifferent, aloof, detached side" - that's how I interpreted it and I wanted to write in rdigests's post too. But then I thought of Romo uncle and my perception changed. Let us see how they play out....I'm not very hopeful seeing the manhandling today. Personally, I want to believe that Virat will retreat and emotionally shut himself...but not act aggressive.

Ousting - there was ego involved, wasn't there?

Pooja, yes Sai does say hurtful and nasty things, but never anything that will be a breach of trust. For example, she called him not worthy her aabha's toe nail....but never pointed out that it was her father who gave him his life. She never questioned her character both during PD unch and family vaada reveal - both the times when she was under deep distress and high on emotions.

Should Virat have said "from now on you will see what a deal marriage is"? A man who was hurt less might have ....to make a point. Right now, he doesn't even want to make a point. Saying "deal marriage" still holds some association ...of a relationship, or some connection. He is so broken....he wants to be completely detached...so I don't expect him to say this dialogue.

I really wanted to think about what he spoke but I couldn’t watch it again after watching it around 4 am without sleep 🙈. Will watch it in sometime and get back to you on this.

I have to think through this. There are a few places where I didn’t like what Virat did too like him feeling bad after Samrat refused to speak. But I have a mixed feeling about it. It looked like self pity but it also looked like hurt coming out from a man who only wanted his brother’s happiness and the same brother wasn’t even willing to hear him out and was upset with him. I wouldn’t blame Samrat too there because he was also hurt. It all leads to one’s emotions ultimately. I have been wanting to write about the previous episode too but I might combine the analysis of both the episode and write one.

Even when Sairat wasn’t having an issue, when Sai was harassed by his family, the day he had gone on a mission (ended up with a ruby pendant), all I felt was that Sai should leave the house. She need not be going through so much of pain. Virat wasn’t the reason for her pain but he has failed to stand up for her a few times, has failed to protect her a few times and he had not done enough that his family or Pakhi would stop harassing or verbally abusing the girl. It was and is still in his hands as how they behave with her or treat her and I would still say that he hasn’t done enough to stop all these. I would blame Sai too in a few things for not backing out. I felt it is only right for Sai to move out. One’s mental peace is much more important.

The same way, I feel that Virat detaching from Sai, ending up all ties with Sai is good for him. He also needs mental peace. There is no doubt that he hasn’t clarified to her when he could have, no doubt that he has done a lot in this relationship just like Sai. I also understand Sai’s confusion, her issues and insecurity but not at the cost of each other’s mental peace. She can do anything but alleging him. Sai wanted to leave the house during the Ajinkya track and Virat can’t leave the house, so he broke all ties with her this time. He is also deeply hurt by her allegations and most importantly because she keeps misunderstanding him.

I agree that he has failed to clear her misunderstanding but that doesn’t mean that he is wrong. If she cannot get to trust him, why even stay with him and act like his wife? Why not always think that it is a deal marriage? Why not always think that Pakhi is waiting for him? Only because she thinks and is able to feel his changed feelings towards her, only because she has trust in him, feels for him is she even able to stay with him, feel for him, care for him and even get close to him. The problem with Sai or Virat is not just each other but they themselves too. Both of them fail to introspect their own behavior and fail to understand other's behaviour and feelings too.

She knows him but she chooses a wrong approach of getting harsh with him to mask her feelings. She tries to understand him or tries to get answers from him about them, their relationship but by asking him ulta seedha questions at times. I don’t blame her for the anniversary celebration burst out but this one was purely her insecurity speaking but was wrong in all levels. She couldn’t control herself that she ended up asking him all stupid questions, pushing him by accusing him, trying to get him to accept the truth.

It was like she was fed up, all her bottled up emotions had come out by asking him questions that she herself doesn’t think to be true. Her helplessness, her restless heart wanted answers. It wanted to know about their future. It was to let out all her frustrations that she has been having that he has a past which is so messed up that even when she thinks they have made a progress, they are moving forward, they end up going back to square one. She is highly frustrated to get rid of this messy past from her head that she chose to grow angry on him by speaking anything that came to her mind, by speaking more hurtful and harsh words like master plan and plan flopping or even to an extent that she blamed him for the mess they all are in now.

As much as all her emotions were seen and was understandable, she chose a wrong approach to hurt him than seeking answers again. Virat unable to answer her, Virat not treating their marriage as a deal marriage but trying to make it look like a real one is bothering her a lot. But all this is her confusion and her state, why not think what he might also be going through when she speaks like that to him? Why is she failing to think how he would be feeling whenever she gets harsh with him? She wears a mask to protect herself and ends up hurting him. Why not look into his hurt too? Has he done that to her?

From what she knows, he has hurt her everytime he has failed to control her emotions unlike her who hurts him because she tries to control her emotions. She is worried that just like she is trying to control her emotions, like how she is trying to suppress her feelings, if he is also trying to suppress his budding feelings for her or if he is confused between his budding feelings for her and the feelings he had for Pakhi. She is probably angry too thinking if he is confused as to whom to choose, his wife or be loyal to the person who is waiting for him by sticking to the promise and not move on in his life.

Again, even if Virat and Pakhi have given her enough reasons for her to be in this state, for her insecurity and for her to misunderstand, allegations are made because of her own misunderstanding and assumptions. I have been on Virat’s side when he has told that his truth and her truth can vary. He has said that but had not clarified the entire thing and that is where he had failed. It was okay the first time she was asking him questions and told that he has feelings for Pakhi. The second time before she confronted him and Pakhi in front of the family, he had told her that she doesn’t know the entire truth and what she was thinking need not be true. Even during the confrontation, she was talking based on aadha sach. One part of her claim was right but the part where he has feelings for Pakhi wasn’t true.

She calls it a deal, tries to push him away, tells that she would leave the house, tries to maintain distance, acts indifferent and all of these are to protect herself and rightly so too but what about him? I would say that even if he is at fault, been wrong in many ways, he needs peace too. He needs to protect himself too. She did it to protect herself and he is doing it to protect himself by not getting misunderstood any further, not getting hurt by her harsh exterior any further, by not letting her allege him that he is playing with two people, by not letting her invade his space, his feelings and his heart and at the end to hurt him saying she is anyway here to leave. He is also doing it because that is what she wants. He is also doing it to set her free, to give her what she wants.

I am not saying that he is right but both of them are now on their guards. He has not been on one all these while and this time he has no strength left in him to show his love and get heartbroken every time. I feel he has reached his threshold. He wanted his love to speak for himself which never happened and he doesn’t want to do it any further and get more hurt.

Whatever he has decided to do or has said he would do is going to hurt him too, is going to be painful for him too.

I will watch the episode and get back to you once again. Some of my view points could change but this is what I felt now.

I understand what you are saying but sometimes when people get shattered, they can do things which they don’t want to or would not want to too. He wouldn’t want to maintain distance from her but he would be trying to. If he doesn’t stop himself from showing his love to her, by being the way he is now, he would end up growing mad. He knows that with his growing love, his expectations would also be growing and the more he expects from her, the more it will be disappointing for him and hurt for her in some way. He doesn’t want it to end up in destruction. Her harsh and hurtful words, her allegations and misunderstanding can turn him into someone else, can push him to the edge that he wouldn’t have control over himself and so he wants to maintain distance.

I really don’t know what he said that he would show her his new face, I think he meant to say that he is not going to be nice or caring or understandable anymore. He is not going to let her invade his space.

Not sure how much of it made sense. I have just written whatever came to my mind 🙈.

Originally posted by: laksh

I really wanted to think about what he spoke but I couldn’t watch it again after watching it around 4 am without sleep 🙈. Will watch it in sometime and get back to you on this.

I have to think through this. There are a few places where I didn’t like what Virat did too like him feeling bad after Samrat refused to speak. But I have a mixed feeling about it. It looked like self pity but it also looked like hurt coming out from a man who only wanted his brother’s happiness and the same brother wasn’t even willing to hear him out and was upset with him. I wouldn’t blame Samrat too there because he was also hurt. It all leads to one’s emotions ultimately. I have been wanting to write about the previous episode too but I might combine the analysis of both the episode and write one.

Even when Sairat wasn’t having an issue, when Sai was harassed by his family, the day he had gone on a mission (ended up with a ruby pendant), all I felt was that Sai should leave the house. She need not be going through so much of pain. Virat wasn’t the reason for her pain but he has failed to stand up for her a few times, has failed to protect her a few times and he had not done enough that his family or Pakhi would stop harassing or verbally abusing the girl. It was and is still in his hands as how they behave with her or treat her and I would still say that he hasn’t done enough to stop all these. I would blame Sai too in a few things for not backing out. I felt it is only right for Sai to move out. One’s mental peace is much more important.

The same way, I feel that Virat detaching from Sai, ending up all ties with Sai is good for him. He also needs mental peace. There is no doubt that he hasn’t clarified to her when he could have, no doubt that he has done a lot in this relationship just like Sai. I also understand Sai’s confusion, her issues and insecurity but not at the cost of each other’s mental peace. She can do anything but alleging him. Sai wanted to leave the house during the Ajinkya track and Virat can’t leave the house, so he broke all ties with her this time. He is also deeply hurt by her allegations and most importantly because she keeps misunderstanding him.

I agree that he has failed to clear her misunderstanding but that doesn’t mean that he is wrong. If she cannot get to trust him, why even stay with him and act like his wife? Why not always think that it is a deal marriage? Why not always think that Pakhi is waiting for him? Only because she thinks and is able to feel his changed feelings towards her, only because she has trust in him, feels for him is she even able to stay with him, feel for him, care for him and even get close to him. The problem with Sai or Virat is not just each other but they themselves too. Both of them fail to introspect their own behavior and the other's behaviour too.

She knows him but she chooses a wrong approach of getting harsh with him to mask her feelings. She tries to understand him or tries to get answers from him about them by asking him ulta seedha questions at times. I don’t blame her for the anniversary celebration burst out but this one was purely her insecurity speaking. She couldn’t control herself that she had to ask him all stupid questions, pushing him by accusing him, trying to get him to accept the truth.

It was like she was fed up, all her bottled up emotions had come out by asking him questions that she herself doesn’t think to be true. Her helplessness, her restless heart wanted answers. It wanted to know about their future. It was to let out all her frustrations that she has been having that he has a past which is so messed up that even when she thinks they have made a progress, they are moving forward, they end up going back to square one. She is highly frustrated to get rid of this messy past from her head that she chose to grow angry on him by speaking anything that came to her mind, by speaking more hurtful and harsh words like master plan and plan flopping or even to an extent that she blamed him for the mess they all are in now.

As much as all her emotions were seen and was understandable, she chose a wrong approach to hurt him than seeking answers again. Virat unable to answer her, Virat not treating their marriage as a deal marriage but trying to make it look like a real one is bothering her a lot. But all this is her confusion and her state, why not think what he might also be going through when she speaks like that to him? Why is she failing to think how he would be feeling whenever she gets harsh with him? She wears a mask to protect herself and ends up hurting him. Why not look into his hurt too? Has he done that to her? From what she knows, he has hurt her everytime he has failed to control her emotions unlike her who hurts him because she tries to control her emotions. She is worried that just like she is trying to control her emotions, trying to suppress her feelings, if he is also trying to suppress his budding feelings for her or if he is confused between his budding feelings for her and the feelings he had for Pakhi. She is probably angry too thinking if he is confused as to whom to choose, his wife or be loyal to the person who is waiting for him by sticking to the promise and not move on in his life.

Again, even if Virat and Pakhi have given her enough reasons for her to be in this state, for her insecurity and for her to misunderstand, allegations are made because of her own misunderstanding and assumptions. I have been on Virat’s side when he has told that his truth and her truth can vary. He has said that but bad not clarified the entire thing and that is where he had failed. It was okay the first time she was asking him questions and told that he has feelings for Pakhi. The second time before she confronted him and Pakhi in front of the family, he had told her that she doesn’t know the entire truth and what she was thinking need not be true. Even during the confrontation, she was talking based on aadha sach. One part of her claim was right but the part where he has feelings for Pakhi wasn’t true. She calls it a deal, tries to push him away, tells that she would leave the house, tries to maintain distance, acts indifferent and all of these are to protect herself and rightly so too but what about him? I would say that even if he is at fault, been wrong in many ways, he needs peace too. He needs to protect himself too. She did it to protect herself and he is doing it to protect himself by not getting misunderstood any further, not getting hurt by her harsh exterior any further, by not letting her allege him that he is playing with two people, by not letting her invade his space, his feelings and his heart and at the end hurt him saying she is anywhere here to leave. He is also doing it because that is what she wants. He is also doing it to set her free, to give her what she wants.

I am not saying that he is right but both of them are now on their guards. He has not been on one all these while and this time he has no strength left in him to show his love and get heartbroken every time. I feel he has reached his threshold. He wanted his love to speak for himself which never happened and he doesn’t want to do it any further and get more hurt.

Whatever he has decided to do or has said he would do is going to hurt him too, is going to be painful for him too.

I will watch the episode and get back to you once again. Some of my view points could change but this is what I felt now. I understand what you are saying but sometimes when people get shattered, they can do things which they don’t want to or would not want to too. He wouldn’t want to maintain distance from her but he would be trying to. If he doesn’t stop himself from showing his love to her, by being the way he is now, he would end up growing mad. He knows that with his growing love, his expectations would also be growing and the more he expects from her, the more it will be disappointing for him and hurt for her in some way. He doesn’t want it to end up in destruction. Her harsh and hurtful words, her allegations and misunderstanding can turn him into someone else, can push him to the edge that he wouldn’t have control over himself and so he wants to maintain distance.

I really don’t know what he said that he would show her his new face, I think he meant to say that he is not going to be nice or caring or understandable anymore. He is not going to let her invade his space.

Not sure how much of it made sense. I have just written whatever came to my mind 🙈.

Beautifully put, Laksh ❤️ I wrote something similar in this thread but forgot to tag you 🤣

What you have written about Virat needing to protect himself is so apt. Up until this point, Sai has (understandably) had a huge wall around her heart, but Virat has left himself entirely vulnerable. This time Sai’s harshness has crossed every line, and his walls, too, will come up….it’s going to be a painful journey…