Jayati versus Sharda - Page 5

Nice analysis! Honestly, I find both flawed in their own ways, and it is the writer's prerogative how to take them forward, so trust them to do what is best for the characters as well as the narrative. That's all! ☯️

Originally posted by: Me000w

Nice analysis! Honestly, I find both flawed in their own ways, and it is the writer's prerogative how to take them forward, so trust them to do what is best for the characters as well as the narrative. That's all! ☯️

Thank you 💕☺️😁 The flaws are what makes the characters more realistic.

Originally posted by: parboni

Thank you 💕☺️😁 The flaws are what makes the characters more realistic.

Yes ofcourse! Raghav, Pallavi, Amma, Aai, Farhad, Krishna, Nikhil, Harish, Kaka, all are great, but also have their flaws basis the track and writing. But this is one of the only shows that explores it as flaws only, and not as attributes of mahaanta. Everyone has a voice and a choice, and acts according to the situation at hand 😊

I am reviving this thread after a long time ...

I would like to clarify (having read the entire thread to make sure no one else already said this 😎): Jayati is the name that Raghav gave his business by combining Jaya + Ajit (his father's name). Jaya's name, as far as we know, is just Jaya.

Sharada has been written very consistently as an intelligent, intuitively caring, optimistic woman with her own opinions and principles and the wisdom to know when to fight and when to stand back. Jaya has been written inconsistently - first as a deeply hurt, frail, dour woman, and then as a whimsical character full of comedic energy. This is why I enjoy Sharada in the role of mother or mother-in-law, while Jaya in any scene is tolerable at best.

Sharada is resilient, as a mother often has to be. Even in the days after she lost her firstborn son, she instinctively looked after Pallavi, the newest child of her household. Sharada is the bedrock of the Deshmukh family; she wisely picks her battles with Sulochana and compensates as a positive maternal influence on Manasi and Amruta. Vijay tries to boss her, but Sharada manages to hold her temper and also do exactly as she sees fit.

From the first episode and up to the present, it was Sharada who cheered up Pallavi and wanted Pallavi to have her own life, a husband and children - dreams that Pallavi had given up. Although Sharada is a homemaker and took comfort in Pallavi's capability to earn income and provide for the family, Sharada always thought of herself as responsible for Pallavi, and she was horrified when Pallavi sacrificed herself to Raghav as if she had no mother to protect her. Vijay also originally wanted Pallavi to be happy and trusted her, but Raghav's vindictive misbehaviour chipped away at that trust until Vijay finally lashed out at his own family. I used to enjoy the dialogues between Pallavi's parents - loyal Sharada and worried Vijay.

Sharada is an ideal mother-in-law who genuinely loves Pallavi so much that when Vijay forced her to choose, Sharada said that a mother will always protect her child, and went after Pallavi. In just a few months, Sharada has suffered the death of her own mother, Amruta's humiliation, Manasi's cancelled wedding, Pallavi's marriage to an abusive man, Nikhil's disgrace, Vijay's hospitalization and depression, and Mandar's disorientation. And yet Sharada keeps finding ways to mend the broken family and even to accept Raghav as one more of her unruly children.

Jaya was ruined as a character when she told Raghav, "You will have to get married to Pallavi." Even if she had articulated what she meant: "You will have to make amends to Pallavi, reunite her with her family, persuade her to forgive you, allow me to propose her marriage to you, and behave in a manner that convinces her and her family to accept," it was still terribly selfish to make her son's victim responsible for his redemption. However, I don't blame Jaya for telling Raghav to let Pallavi go. It was Raghav who thought he could just book a train ticket instead of talking to Pallavi about what she wants, or better, asking her permission to take her to her brother's house so that he could bring her an honourable marriage proposal in her own safe space.

Marriage to Pallavi has improved Raghav, says Jaya. How exactly? He already cared about others: the old age home, Ramakrishna's son, the woman who came to his gate for money, and any child that he met on the street. Now he takes delight in making Pallavi smile. He listened to Pallavi and didn't close his showroom over the missing necklace, the way he once listened to Farhad and took back his complaint to the weavers' association. But does he try to control his temper? When someone is in trouble and needs him to think clearly, does he pause before he reaches for alcohol? Does he even try to follow a schedule of work and family time? I would like to see some character growth, not the same vicious cycles.

Jaya went from "I would rather die than receive medical treatment from Raghav's sinful earnings" to "Pallavi's reputation can be restored by making her Raghav's wife." So, I don't see Jaya as a character with integrity, which the story really needed Raghav's mother to have. However, I don't blame Jaya for Raghav's vices. She was an attentive and inspiring mother until he was seventeen years old. When Raghav told Pallavi his back story, he said that they moved together to Hyderabad from 300 km away, and then he did any work, right or wrong, to support Ammā and Kirti. So, Jaya didn't abandon him as soon as he cost her Ajit and Arjun, and he was an adult, more-or-less, when he developed bad habits. (Kirti also was an educated adult when she fell for Sunny.) When Raghav offered to do anything other than marry Pallavi, he suggested stopping his illegal activities or giving up his business; this implies that he really had ignored Jaya's advice over the years, as she said when she ordered Raghav to beg for Pallavi's forgiveness (and he threw Rs. 5 lakh at her instead). So, Jaya is a responsible mother and an irresponsible mother-in-law.

I guess I had a lot to say! It's funny how we can watch the same show and have such different impressions of the characters.

I know characters are not fleshed out thoroughly in ITV and they can mess with core traits to pull in numbers.
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Raghav saved Mandar and admitted him in the hospital. He stayed with him in the hospital until

Doc said He was out of danger. So I don’t know why you say Raghav Is involved in Mandar’s death / disappearance. 🤔 If anything Aai should thank Raghav for admitting Mandar in the hospital after the accident.

Originally posted by: parboni

I'm feeling too lazy to search a thread and write it up,so I'm making a separate post for this.

There has been this slight debate on who's the better saas and mother- Jayati or Sharda?

I'd say both have their own virtues and flaws. And comparing Jayati and Sharda is like comparing apples with oranges. Ab kisiko apple zyada pasand hai,aur kisi ko orange.

Let's start with Jaya amma here. Well, I'm pretty sure she's everyone's favorite now after the whole drinking fiasco. Of course, she has proved herself to be the coolest MIL in this show and pretty much in the entire ITV land. But let's rewind a bit. Let's bring Raghav and her past relationship. It was turbulent. She didn't trust her own son and thought the worse of him. In fact, she'd still be miffed with her son if Pallavi didn't take the time and make her understand what Raghav actually went through.

Something that she herself being a mother couldn't see. She couldn't look beyond her grief. Chalo,agar aisa hai, then why would she force her son to marry Pallavi? When the whole jewellery fiasco happened and VD accused Raghav of framing him, Jayati said Raghav is capable of doing sth like this,he has done things like this to Pallavi, in the past. So,she thought her own son is a despicable man while she has always admired Pallavi since the beginning. Then why forcefully bring that girl into your demon son's life? To fix him? What if he didn't treat Pallavi well? What if he was emotionally abusive to her during their marriage? You can threaten your son to marry a girl of your choice but how much can you control his marital life to make sure that both of them are doing well?Ye sab toh tab socha hi nahi. And phir jab the relationship between you and your son mended,tab jaake yaad aaya this girl is being held into a marriage against her wish,isse jaane dena chahiye. Jayati Rao has her own charms but she has some major character flaws as well.

On the other hand, there's Sharda Deshmukh,wife of our dearest Sanki Buddha,mother of Mr.India aka Mandaar Deshmukh. When her son was gone,she held onto this girl who just entered their threshold. Responsibilities,guilt aur sympathy ke nichey Pallu ke apne sapne and ambitions dab gaye. Phir bhi,she was a mother figure to her. Even though her stance wasn't enough, she took a stand for her against VD as she couldn't do the same for her late son. That's 90% of our mothers in desi household. My mother isn't always successful in protecting me from my father's wrath but she keeps trying.

You all saw Sharda wiping away the henna in Pallavi's hands with RR initials,but that was her symbolic way of keeping Pallu away from the guy that was troubling her. Sharda was the first one to realize Raghav was a good husband after he barged in D house to clarify accusations against Pallu- neither Jaya,nor Pallavi realised at that point. Sharda was genuinely happy and emotional about Pallavi's vat savitri for Raghav. And yes,there's a possibility that all of these might change. There's a possibility that she becomes an antagonist in Raghvi story. Maybe tab as a RaghVi fan, I'd be one of those who'd be ranting against her.

Par can you actually blame her if she decides to go against the man who's involved in her son's death+disappearance?

Originally posted by: parboni

I'm feeling too lazy to search a thread and write it up,so I'm making a separate post for this.

There has been this slight debate on who's the better saas and mother- Jayati or Sharda?

I'd say both have their own virtues and flaws. And comparing Jayati and Sharda is like comparing apples with oranges. Ab kisiko apple zyada pasand hai,aur kisi ko orange.

Let's start with Jaya amma here. Well, I'm pretty sure she's everyone's favorite now after the whole drinking fiasco. Of course, she has proved herself to be the coolest MIL in this show and pretty much in the entire ITV land. But let's rewind a bit. Let's bring Raghav and her past relationship. It was turbulent. She didn't trust her own son and thought the worse of him. In fact, she'd still be miffed with her son if Pallavi didn't take the time and make her understand what Raghav actually went through.

Something that she herself being a mother couldn't see. She couldn't look beyond her grief. Chalo,agar aisa hai, then why would she force her son to marry Pallavi? When the whole jewellery fiasco happened and VD accused Raghav of framing him, Jayati said Raghav is capable of doing sth like this,he has done things like this to Pallavi, in the past. So,she thought her own son is a despicable man while she has always admired Pallavi since the beginning. Then why forcefully bring that girl into your demon son's life? To fix him? What if he didn't treat Pallavi well? What if he was emotionally abusive to her during their marriage? You can threaten your son to marry a girl of your choice but how much can you control his marital life to make sure that both of them are doing well?Ye sab toh tab socha hi nahi. And phir jab the relationship between you and your son mended,tab jaake yaad aaya this girl is being held into a marriage against her wish,isse jaane dena chahiye. Jayati Rao has her own charms but she has some major character flaws as well.

On the other hand, there's Sharda Deshmukh,wife of our dearest Sanki Buddha,mother of Mr.India aka Mandaar Deshmukh. When her son was gone,she held onto this girl who just entered their threshold. Responsibilities,guilt aur sympathy ke nichey Pallu ke apne sapne and ambitions dab gaye. Phir bhi,she was a mother figure to her. Even though her stance wasn't enough, she took a stand for her against VD as she couldn't do the same for her late son. That's 90% of our mothers in desi household. My mother isn't always successful in protecting me from my father's wrath but she keeps trying.

You all saw Sharda wiping away the henna in Pallavi's hands with RR initials,but that was her symbolic way of keeping Pallu away from the guy that was troubling her. Sharda was the first one to realize Raghav was a good husband after he barged in D house to clarify accusations against Pallu- neither Jaya,nor Pallavi realised at that point. Sharda was genuinely happy and emotional about Pallavi's vat savitri for Raghav. And yes,there's a possibility that all of these might change. There's a possibility that she becomes an antagonist in Raghvi story. Maybe tab as a RaghVi fan, I'd be one of those who'd be ranting against her.

Par can you actually blame her if she decides to go against the man who's involved in her son's death+disappearance?

your all points are correct but last one … Raghav wasn’t involved in her son’s death or disappearance… the guy actually took him to the hospital … stayed till he was declared stable by the doctor and in morning was informed that he has been discharged by his family.. he was duped too..

Mandar’s accident was done by Sunny… he was to blame and till this point he is not related to Raghav… yes he is Kirti’s boyfriend.. Kirti was in car with him at the time of accident but neither Kirti nor Raghav was responsible for that.. and I hope Aai is not that delusional… 😊

Originally posted by: BrhannadaArmour

I am reviving this thread after a long time ...

I would like to clarify (having read the entire thread to make sure no one else already said this 😎): Jayati is the name that Raghav gave his business by combining Jaya + Ajit (his father's name). Jaya's name, as far as we know, is just Jaya.

Sharada has been written very consistently as an intelligent, intuitively caring, optimistic woman with her own opinions and principles and the wisdom to know when to fight and when to stand back. Jaya has been written inconsistently - first as a deeply hurt, frail, dour woman, and then as a whimsical character full of comedic energy. This is why I enjoy Sharada in the role of mother or mother-in-law, while Jaya in any scene is tolerable at best.

Sharada is resilient, as a mother often has to be. Even in the days after she lost her firstborn son, she instinctively looked after Pallavi, the newest child of her household. Sharada is the bedrock of the Deshmukh family; she wisely picks her battles with Sulochana and compensates as a positive maternal influence on Manasi and Amruta. Vijay tries to boss her, but Sharada manages to hold her temper and also do exactly as she sees fit.

From the first episode and up to the present, it was Sharada who cheered up Pallavi and wanted Pallavi to have her own life, a husband and children - dreams that Pallavi had given up. Although Sharada is a homemaker and took comfort in Pallavi's capability to earn income and provide for the family, Sharada always thought of herself as responsible for Pallavi, and she was horrified when Pallavi sacrificed herself to Raghav as if she had no mother to protect her. Vijay also originally wanted Pallavi to be happy and trusted her, but Raghav's vindictive misbehaviour chipped away at that trust until Vijay finally lashed out at his own family. I used to enjoy the dialogues between Pallavi's parents - loyal Sharada and worried Vijay.

Sharada is an ideal mother-in-law who genuinely loves Pallavi so much that when Vijay forced her to choose, Sharada said that a mother will always protect her child, and went after Pallavi. In just a few months, Sharada has suffered the death of her own mother, Amruta's humiliation, Manasi's cancelled wedding, Pallavi's marriage to an abusive man, Nikhil's disgrace, Vijay's hospitalization and depression, and Mandar's disorientation. And yet Sharada keeps finding ways to mend the broken family and even to accept Raghav as one more of her unruly children.

Jaya was ruined as a character when she told Raghav, "You will have to get married to Pallavi." Even if she had articulated what she meant: "You will have to make amends to Pallavi, reunite her with her family, persuade her to forgive you, allow me to propose her marriage to you, and behave in a manner that convinces her and her family to accept," it was still terribly selfish to make her son's victim responsible for his redemption. However, I don't blame Jaya for telling Raghav to let Pallavi go. It was Raghav who thought he could just book a train ticket instead of talking to Pallavi about what she wants, or better, asking her permission to take her to her brother's house so that he could bring her an honourable marriage proposal in her own safe space.

Marriage to Pallavi has improved Raghav, says Jaya. How exactly? He already cared about others: the old age home, Ramakrishna's son, the woman who came to his gate for money, and any child that he met on the street. Now he takes delight in making Pallavi smile. He listened to Pallavi and didn't close his showroom over the missing necklace, the way he once listened to Farhad and took back his complaint to the weavers' association. But does he try to control his temper? When someone is in trouble and needs him to think clearly, does he pause before he reaches for alcohol? Does he even try to follow a schedule of work and family time? I would like to see some character growth, not the same vicious cycles.

Jaya went from "I would rather die than receive medical treatment from Raghav's sinful earnings" to "Pallavi's reputation can be restored by making her Raghav's wife." So, I don't see Jaya as a character with integrity, which the story really needed Raghav's mother to have. However, I don't blame Jaya for Raghav's vices. She was an attentive and inspiring mother until he was seventeen years old. When Raghav told Pallavi his back story, he said that they moved together to Hyderabad from 300 km away, and then he did any work, right or wrong, to support Ammā and Kirti. So, Jaya didn't abandon him as soon as he cost her Ajit and Arjun, and he was an adult, more-or-less, when he developed bad habits. (Kirti also was an educated adult when she fell for Sunny.) When Raghav offered to do anything other than marry Pallavi, he suggested stopping his illegal activities or giving up his business; this implies that he really had ignored Jaya's advice over the years, as she said when she ordered Raghav to beg for Pallavi's forgiveness (and he threw Rs. 5 lakh at her instead). So, Jaya is a responsible mother and an irresponsible mother-in-law.

I guess I had a lot to say! It's funny how we can watch the same show and have such different impressions of the characters.

you are absolutely correct… i totally overlooked all this …

Originally posted by: BrhannadaArmour

I am reviving this thread after a long time ...

I would like to clarify (having read the entire thread to make sure no one else already said this 😎): Jayati is the name that Raghav gave his business by combining Jaya + Ajit (his father's name). Jaya's name, as far as we know, is just Jaya.

Sharada has been written very consistently as an intelligent, intuitively caring, optimistic woman with her own opinions and principles and the wisdom to know when to fight and when to stand back. Jaya has been written inconsistently - first as a deeply hurt, frail, dour woman, and then as a whimsical character full of comedic energy. This is why I enjoy Sharada in the role of mother or mother-in-law, while Jaya in any scene is tolerable at best.

Sharada is resilient, as a mother often has to be. Even in the days after she lost her firstborn son, she instinctively looked after Pallavi, the newest child of her household. Sharada is the bedrock of the Deshmukh family; she wisely picks her battles with Sulochana and compensates as a positive maternal influence on Manasi and Amruta. Vijay tries to boss her, but Sharada manages to hold her temper and also do exactly as she sees fit.

From the first episode and up to the present, it was Sharada who cheered up Pallavi and wanted Pallavi to have her own life, a husband and children - dreams that Pallavi had given up. Although Sharada is a homemaker and took comfort in Pallavi's capability to earn income and provide for the family, Sharada always thought of herself as responsible for Pallavi, and she was horrified when Pallavi sacrificed herself to Raghav as if she had no mother to protect her. Vijay also originally wanted Pallavi to be happy and trusted her, but Raghav's vindictive misbehaviour chipped away at that trust until Vijay finally lashed out at his own family. I used to enjoy the dialogues between Pallavi's parents - loyal Sharada and worried Vijay.

Sharada is an ideal mother-in-law who genuinely loves Pallavi so much that when Vijay forced her to choose, Sharada said that a mother will always protect her child, and went after Pallavi. In just a few months, Sharada has suffered the death of her own mother, Amruta's humiliation, Manasi's cancelled wedding, Pallavi's marriage to an abusive man, Nikhil's disgrace, Vijay's hospitalization and depression, and Mandar's disorientation. And yet Sharada keeps finding ways to mend the broken family and even to accept Raghav as one more of her unruly children.

Jaya was ruined as a character when she told Raghav, "You will have to get married to Pallavi." Even if she had articulated what she meant: "You will have to make amends to Pallavi, reunite her with her family, persuade her to forgive you, allow me to propose her marriage to you, and behave in a manner that convinces her and her family to accept," it was still terribly selfish to make her son's victim responsible for his redemption. However, I don't blame Jaya for telling Raghav to let Pallavi go. It was Raghav who thought he could just book a train ticket instead of talking to Pallavi about what she wants, or better, asking her permission to take her to her brother's house so that he could bring her an honourable marriage proposal in her own safe space.

Marriage to Pallavi has improved Raghav, says Jaya. How exactly? He already cared about others: the old age home, Ramakrishna's son, the woman who came to his gate for money, and any child that he met on the street. Now he takes delight in making Pallavi smile. He listened to Pallavi and didn't close his showroom over the missing necklace, the way he once listened to Farhad and took back his complaint to the weavers' association. But does he try to control his temper? When someone is in trouble and needs him to think clearly, does he pause before he reaches for alcohol? Does he even try to follow a schedule of work and family time? I would like to see some character growth, not the same vicious cycles.

Jaya went from "I would rather die than receive medical treatment from Raghav's sinful earnings" to "Pallavi's reputation can be restored by making her Raghav's wife." So, I don't see Jaya as a character with integrity, which the story really needed Raghav's mother to have. However, I don't blame Jaya for Raghav's vices. She was an attentive and inspiring mother until he was seventeen years old. When Raghav told Pallavi his back story, he said that they moved together to Hyderabad from 300 km away, and then he did any work, right or wrong, to support Ammā and Kirti. So, Jaya didn't abandon him as soon as he cost her Ajit and Arjun, and he was an adult, more-or-less, when he developed bad habits. (Kirti also was an educated adult when she fell for Sunny.) When Raghav offered to do anything other than marry Pallavi, he suggested stopping his illegal activities or giving up his business; this implies that he really had ignored Jaya's advice over the years, as she said when she ordered Raghav to beg for Pallavi's forgiveness (and he threw Rs. 5 lakh at her instead). So, Jaya is a responsible mother and an irresponsible mother-in-law.

I guess I had a lot to say! It's funny how we can watch the same show and have such different impressions of the characters.

I have to say thank you so much for reading my post and thoroughly analysing it, I think what we're grateful is, at the moment Jaya seems to be a character who is still positive and most likely will continue to be one. That's why she's a fan favourite. But when it comes to consistency of characters,Sharda definitely takes the cake.

Originally posted by: nikkiGarg

your all points are correct but last one … Raghav wasn’t involved in her son’s death or disappearance… the guy actually took him to the hospital … stayed till he was declared stable by the doctor and in morning was informed that he has been discharged by his family.. he was duped too..

Mandar’s accident was done by Sunny… he was to blame and till this point he is not related to Raghav… yes he is Kirti’s boyfriend.. Kirti was in car with him at the time of accident but neither Kirti nor Raghav was responsible for that.. and I hope Aai is not that delusional… 😊

You're right. Par when I wrote this post the whole truth wasn't out that time and it was me giving aai a benefit of doubt even if she showed signs of grey shades

I'm pleasantly surprised that nothing as such happened.

Originally posted by: IAMHope

I know characters are not fleshed out thoroughly in ITV and they can mess with core traits to pull in numbers.
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Raghav saved Mandar and admitted him in the hospital. He stayed with him in the hospital until

Doc said He was out of danger. So I don’t know why you say Raghav Is involved in Mandar’s death / disappearance. 🤔 If anything Aai should thank Raghav for admitting Mandar in the hospital after the accident.

This is an old post dear. This track didn't come out back then. There were only speculations running.