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This show adds onto the reasons why I cringe at Pakistani writers, directors, actors etc. Pakistan seriously struggles with writing concise, well though out and researched shows. We keep getting the same crap again and again.

Originally posted by: nanette

If they are catering to audience, then there is also a fraction of audience who’s fed up of toxic dramas. Who’s fed up of them conflating romance and abuse again and again. Who’s fed up of Saas Bahu nonsense. So will they stop writing crap for that fraction? No! And they shouldn’t either. Yes! They shouldn’t always write to please viewers. There’s a thing called personal vision or statement. Tell us what’s YOUR in-depth look at life or characters. Not OURS! Nearly all the actors or directors defend their projects by saying Reality hai. Theek hai maan lia reality hai but then stick to it. Reality main a psychopath won’t be sorry just because things aren’t in his control anymore. Agar phir bhi repentance dikhani hai tu show it from start k this character is evil but it has ability to sense other people's emotions or it can imagine what someone else might be thinking or feeling. They should’ve shown a scene where Amal is alone in her room thinking about Professor’s daughter. Or a scene after accusing Haider where she reminisces about their early relationship. So we’d know she is not incapable of emotion. But when you’ve already established a character devoid of feeling and no conscience, don’t just change it abruptly. Can you imagine a loyal wife who’s steadfast in giving love or attention and is always by her husband’s side and adores him, wake up one day and kill him? That’s how it feels when maniacs repent in the last episode. Show a change in a gradual way or don’t show it at all.

But are audience really sick of toxic saas bahu shows? TRPs to kuch aur hi batati hai

Originally posted by: evilxbalaa

But are audience really sick of toxic saas bahu shows? TRPs to kuch aur hi batati hai

No they aren’t. Which is why I said a ‘fraction’ of audience. Which is big I agree. So obviously they’ll choose them over the other fraction that wants progressive dramas but is small. But then again, I don’t think the big fraction would mind if you’re showing a bad person with a little conscience gradually feeling remorse. My problem is with psychopaths. When a writer says it’s reality then he must show reality only. Don’t pick and choose. If the writer wanted to please audience by showing a pentinent Amal in the end, he shouldn’t have written her as a maniac with pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love or shame at all. Aik cheez hoti hai poor sense of right and wrong. Aik cheez hoti hai k woh sense hai he nahi. Amal main yeh sense thi he nahi. So why on earth would a character like her blame herself for her father’s death? A psychopath would’ve blamed Haider. That him telling her father truth pushed him into suicide. Coming towards catering audience, they could’ve shown Amal as a grey character or a sociopath (sociopaths have a weak conscience and might feel a little remorse!) Our big fraction would’ve been happy in both cases.

The last episode was so rushed, out of place and even underwhelming. They made a mockery of courts. Just like what they do in ITV. All in all, I only feel bad for Safeer. The guy was literally bulldozed into this whole mess. Glad that this incessant drag has come to an end.

Originally posted by: nanette

Kindly read this and let me know if anyone agrees:

I just don’t understand why do Paki shows show villains repenting in the end? Especially psychopaths (Amal was a psychopath, not a sociopath!) Psychopaths lack empathy or remorse. We saw Amal exhibiting glibness, manipulation and callousness for like 30 and a half episodes straight and all of a sudden the other half we see her folding hands k maaf kar do? She wasn’t sorry when a girl lost her father because of her. She wasn’t sorry when she accused her lover of rape. She wasn’t sorry when everyone was a pawn on her chessboard. She wasn’t sorry for being unfaithful to her husband. And now she’s sorry because her father died? Psychopaths are incapable of forming attachment bonds even with their parents. Parents say itna pyar hota tu unhain istemaal naa karti. Amal was obsessed with herself and struggled to see the point in other people's feelings. People around her were manipulated, used, and tricked into believing what she wanted them to believe. She never really loved anyone. Not even Haider. She was a real narcissist. There was never primal instinct to protect and encourage Haider because he was not seen as a separate entity, but merely a tool at her disposal. So no, she didn’t fake her harassment for him. She did it for herself. And what was that buffoonery k aap log bohat achay hain? A psychopath would never say that lol. Who’s the writer btw? I can tell that he/she did no research for this drama. Kyun k pehle tu Amal being a psycho makes so sense since her family seemed pretty normal to me so I don’t understand how she grew up without a sense of self? She was not really sure about what boundaries are. Now you can question me that Amal never looked menacing and easily recognizable villain so how’s she a psychopath? The answer is actually chilling that psychopaths do not come across as violent or frightening. They often seem perfectly normal and not exhibit any extreme or violent behaviors. They can be ruthless or charismatic and Amal was both. Which is why I’m angry how they ended her story. Why is it important for bad people to acknowledge their wrong doings in the end? Wouldn’t it be more chilling if they’re burning and still give you a sinister smile? I’m just waiting for the day someone writes a drama where a maniac remains a maniac towards the very end.

I agree with you. Pakistani shows generally tend to ruin good TV series with abysmal endings. There seems to be this visceral need to moralise stories by showing the antagonist either being hit with bad karma (usually this manifests in the character going 'mad'), or suddenly repenting or becoming good with no logical transition.

The truth is that, more often than not, people with extremely negative characteristics/personalities don't ever become self-aware enough to change for the better, nor do they 'pay for their crimes' by becoming mentally ill (to the point that they lose all their faculties).

This is why I really liked the ending to Gul o Gulzar. It's one of the only dramas I remember watching where the antagonist stayed 'bad' to the very end. She never learned her lesson, and it was clearly shown that she would continue attempting to deceive and dupe people. That's true to reality.

Originally posted by: nanette

No they aren’t. Which is why I said a ‘fraction’ of audience. Which is big I agree. So obviously they’ll choose them over the other fraction that wants progressive dramas but is small. But then again, I don’t think the big fraction would mind if you’re showing a bad person with a little conscience gradually feeling remorse. My problem is with psychopaths. When a writer says it’s reality then he must show reality only. Don’t pick and choose. If the writer wanted to please audience by showing a pentinent Amal in the end, he shouldn’t have written her as a maniac with pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love or shame at all. Aik cheez hoti hai poor sense of right and wrong. Aik cheez hoti hai k woh sense hai he nahi. Amal main yeh sense thi he nahi. So why on earth would a character like her blame herself for her father’s death? A psychopath would’ve blamed Haider. That him telling her father truth pushed him into suicide. Coming towards catering audience, they could’ve shown Amal as a grey character or a sociopath (sociopaths have a weak conscience and might feel a little remorse!) Our big fraction would’ve been happy in both cases.

Most writers are really bad at justifying characters or even giving them logical ends. I think Umera Ahmed and Farhat Ishtiaq are one of those writers who can write a justified end.