Episode Spoiler - 12 July 2021 - Page 17

Originally posted by: Ruhi.007

Today must be an eye opener for pallavi. Just because she has made him her 1st priority, does not mean he will reciprocate. He is a typical Indian man whose family is his 1st priority. No surprises there that by family he would mean his mother and sister not the wife. Felt really bad for pallu today.

When ever they are in trouble, looks at wife for help or wife steps in without asking (before so called family)! Very sad reality of Indian families😔 !!!!

Episode achha tha. I am glad amidst all the drama, it was about Raghav and Pallavi for a change. They had a scene, they had a talk, and they have their POVs sorted out. Otherwise I was fearful, it will get lost in family dynamics and suspense drama and all..

I don't know what all forumwasis are thinking, but it's clear Pallavi will not be disappointed or angry with Raghav in a way people want her to be. Things like taking pen from her pillow and drunk acting don't bother her, if you take a look at her dialogues, she understands him, she disagrees with him, and she even tried to make him see her POV and expected him to side with "truth", she really believes he is that righteous of a person? LOL. Her naivety here is hilarious.. And then kya main tumhari family nahin hoon, she was hurt, but she didn't feel any insult or anger... And there lies difference between how people want her to be and how she is shown in the show....

Going by the BTS, she will go to police station for Raghav, they will try to connect the dots together, sunny gets arrested, VD will first accuse Raghav but the other deshmukhs will feel indebted to both Raghav and Pallavi, Raghav comes back home, Raghav and Pallavi are back to being the bickering couple, a nice scene comes up, then comes the black dress party type scene..hola fandom khush..I am afraid whatever shown in this episode will not be followed up in continuation just like other times.. Raghav won't answer her questions of today, and Pallavi won't reflect on what Raghav said today....I will be happy if I am proved wrong..

Originally posted by: Jiarao

Surrendering himself isn't going to give Pallavi any peace now because she knows the truth.

The whole point is not whether RR loves Pallavi or not. It's about if Pallavi wants love of a person who can betray her trust just to save his sister from punishment she deserves.

A point well made, but not emphasized enough. The problem is not with RR's character or how he behaves...He loves Pallavi offcourse it will come out one day.. How one behaves in that love, and how Pallavi reacts to how he is the question...He will do anything to protect his sister, and he was clear about it. In fact I am glad his skewed sense of right and wrong, his family prioritization, his slightly manipulative methods as well as his conflicts came back.

But problem is the depiction of how Pallavi reacts to it.. What are her conflicts? Will she still choose to explicitly trust Raghav and show faith in him if similar situations arise in future? His family loving trait is what she admires in him, but what if she herself is sidelined in the process? What if his methods of protecting his family including herself aren't exactly right? What if he lies to her for a well intentioned purpose again? Is she okay with this? She can be okay with this all after all she chose him and loves him.. But this needs to be addressed, and shouldn't be swiped under the carpet is what I am asking... And I am so glad they did it today...but hope more such talks in future as well...They need to have such talks/confrontations more... Romantic scenes without context and without any continuation or any vibe of overall mood of the happenings around don't work....

Originally posted by: inlieu

Aside from the non-stop loud bgm everything was perfect in the episode.

In a different situation, Pallavi might have felt betrayed but he had made it clear from the beginning that he was going to protect Keerti. I just don't think she expected him to go that extent. Never mind the fact that she was careless about the pen.

I have always wanted to see Raghav hear directly from Pallavi how she felt as a woman, as a new bride, when her dreams also died the night Mandaar died, how she had to deal with the aftermath, and how she was hurting all this time, something she's never really discussed. So glad we got that today. She wasn't verbose but said just enough for us to understand which aspects of her widowhood had been tough for her to handle and how important closure was. It had the same vibe as the maar daalo mujhe Raghav scene.

Raghav's reaction showed that he had understood all this a long time ago, even before today's confrontation. If you think back to how he's been burdened by guilt since he first found out about Mandaar's accident, it all makes sense. He'd foreseen all this, which is why what's happening now is not a surprise but hurts both of them just as he had expected it to. I could understand why he was struggling to look her in the eye or stand in the hall and see her in tears.

I loved how they showed both characters hurting, while contrasting their ways of expressing themselves. Pallavi was letting out all her pent-up emotions and concerns, while Raghav's was quieter, fewer words and to the point, but still conveying the main ideas he was struggling with.

I'm glad he brought up the abortion fiasco and drew parallels like we were doing here. One thing that many people don't mention in that regard is that the abortion also involved the loss of an innocent life. Of course the repercussions for the rest of the family were different. This is not a debate about being pro-choice or against, that is a matter for another discussion, perhaps another thread. It's just a fact and that's what they subtly brought it in today. I liked that he didn't disparage Amruta or BWA but was focusing more on what Pallavi's mindset was when she tried to keep it under wraps. The 'crimes' are different but that wasn't the point. It was their drive to protect their families that he compared. Like Amruta relied on BWA or Pallavi, Keerti seems to be overconfident that her brother will save her from punishment. I wonder if she's playing on his guilt about what happened 10 years ago or if she genuinely believes she deserves to be saved.

It was good to see Pallavi asking Raghav if she wasn't his family too. I don't think she got it that when he talked about saving his family, he was including her too. If Keerti goes to jail, Raghav will be mentally and emotionally finished, as will Amma from the looks of things. What family can he offer her then? He is in a completely different headspace but since he's never really discussed this with her, she hasn't seen that perspective. I understand her being goal-oriented and wanting to punish the offender, it makes sense and it's the morally right thing to do, but ironically, as she was talking about him learning about relationships from her but not about standing by the truth, she failed to see that even when it comes to the truth, there are two sides to the coin. In this situation, it's not quite black and white as she believes it to be.

Damn, both of them are in such a tight spot it hurts to see them this way.

I might get bashed for this but I still want to say something about Pallavi's outburst today. She made it sound as if he didn't care about her emotions and that what he was doing to protect Keerti was totally steamrolling over her pain. That was not the case and I was glad to hear that expressed in his quiet main tumhara dard samajhta hai Pallavi, followed by him explaining how he couldn't take another destruction in his family while already battling with the guilt and trauma of the death of his family members. I had always felt that he still has a loooooooooooooooong way to go before he can overcome the trauma of losing his father and brother, and that reconciling with Amma wouldn't be enough, but I am so glad that they touched upon that today, albeit briefly.

Everyone's been talking about the effect of all this on Keerti's life or Raghav's or Pallavi's or the Ds, but what about Amma? How is she going to feel losing another child this time to a prison sentence? I found her initial reaction natural because she was completely caught off guard, but I also loved how she calmed down in the room to think things through and pay closer attention to what was happening around. her Props to Jaya for asking Raghav to help Pallavi, she didn't disappoint. It takes a LOT to make that kind of judgment call, that too in such a short period of time. I think her first reaction was aimed at the TRP audience who would've expected such a thing from her and potentially see her turn against her bahu, but the follow up was for the core audience of the show.

I am wondering if Raghav will change his mind about Keerti because of what Amma says or because he has already made up his mind but is keeping his cards close to his chest. Knowing his nature, either of those would make sense.

So it looks like Pallavi finds a way to barge into jail but something has also happened that makes Raghav feel ok about telling her what happened that night when she probes him for details. I think these two work best when the have these meaningful discussions. I wish Pallavi had done so from the start with Raghav instead of bulldozing through his actions in her efforts at getting justice, but I also understand that she's struggling to handle her emotions right now and is focusing on the end, not the means.

I don't want to talk about Keerti because I'm reserving my judgement about her motivations until the truth is out. I feel as if what Raghav told Pallavi plus Keerti's reaction in the precap is what will make Pallavi start to think about the other side of the coin that she hasn't considered. I also think that through this track, Pallavi will start to be more accepting of the fact that rather than truth being an absolute, one can be on any point on the spectrum. What happened on that night is a fact, but how the people involved felt and reacted to it is not black or white.

Jean ❤️

Such a great breakdown of the episode! I've been frequenting these daily threads less and less these past few days, and I've really missed breaking these episodes down with you.

I agree with a lot of what you've written here.

On Raghav, I will be upfront in saying I don't condone his approach, at all. That said, I do understand it completely, and it is what I expected, so I'm not surprised. I may not be able to justify him, I understand perfectly. I've been pretty vocal about Pallavi getting unwarranted hatred in the past, today I feel the level of flak Raghav has been getting is as uncalled for. Unfortunately, what's happening is Raghav is suffering the fall out of Kirti's (frankly, despicable) behavior, which isn't fair to him because we know how Kirti is acting, but Raghav doesn't. What's happened is that audience tide has turned against Kirti, hugely, and since Raghav has her back, he's facing the fallout as well. It's a little unfortunate to see a fandom so polarized right now, but it's also expected, I guess, in a track like this.

I wanted to reserve judgment on Kirti as well- as you know, I've adored the girl from day 1, so I'm not able to go all out in hating her, but her behaviour has been quite upsetting. At this point, the best case scenario is that she was just a passenger in the car, and not behind the wheel- she's still complicit though. I can understand panicking and running away in the moment, especially if she and/or Sunny were under the influence, but they did leave him to die. The least she could have done is called for an ambulance anonymously. And if the precap is anything to go by, she's even taunting the wife of the man she killed about how she's going to get away with it. I agree that there's a lot more to the story right now- why does Amma believe she was in Guntur (it's a 6 hour drive from Hyderabad, so I doubt she could have just slipped away- CVs messed up, or something more)? Can she drive or not? How does Sunny figure into all this? How does Ved? But that said, it's hard for me to sympathise with her right now- any sympathy I feel is carrying over from the immense goodwill she earned with me in the past. I am dreading a conclusion to this which boils down to 'it was all Sunny's fault, evil Sunny', and I'm afraid that's where it's heading.

On Pallavi, she's the one I'm unable to find at fault in this situation TBH. Probably the only thing I've found annoying was both her and Farhad nicely telling Kirti where the confession was, and that she kept the pen with her and not with Farhad. That was dumb. I'm also dreading whatever gun pointing tamasha she's about to cause at the police station, but I'll contain my annoyance till it actually plays out. Her husband was killed, and the man she's now married to is actively blocking her from seeking justice, so I don't blame her for bulldozing. She's being far more empathetic that I would expect someone in that situation would be, and I've been rooting for some selfishness from her for a while, so I can't not cheer her on when she's finally doing it. Yes, I do wish she'd handled it a bit more elegantly with Jaya, but I'm willing to forgive that because of what she's dealing with right now from the bhai-behen. Though she doesn't speak much, the helplessness and desperation for justice is quite palpable.

On RaghVi- I actually didn't Raghav him bringing up the abortion thing, because I don't find the situations comparable wrt Pallavi taking the blame onto herself then and Raghav doing it now. Firstly, while I absolutely know it was neither your intent nor Raghav's, comparing abortion to a crime makes me uncomfortable. And second, well, Pallavi didn't jump up to take the blame onto herself, it was pinned on her and she did make attempt after attempt to disprove the allegation, which she did do with her family in the privacy of her bedroom. Considering Mansi's marriage, an innocent in the situation, was on the line, I think what she took issue with was Raghav's approach of the very public spectacle. She was primarily shielding an innocent Mansi, and not Amrutha, and even if it was Amrutha, she was covering her from social stigma, and not the well-deserved, legal and moral, consequences of a crime. That said, I was not on Pallavi's side when she was behaving that way- Raghav's name had been dragged publicly, and he had every right to clear it publicly as well. Similarly, I can't support Raghav now, no matter how much my heart hurts for the impossibly hard situation he's in.

"If Keerti goes to jail, Raghav will be mentally and emotionally finished, as will Amma from the looks of things. What family can he offer her then?"

I agree completely with what you've written here. But if Pallavi has to let go, and pretend to be happy family with the person responsible for Mandaar's death, her pain, her family's struggles, she will be emotionally finished too, and then what marriage will she be offering?

I'm so very glad we got a one-on-one between RaghVi today, I may sound like a broken record now, but their communication issues will be their downfall, and today at least felt like a step in the right direction. We've spoken before about wanting to know about Pallavi's experience of being widowed in such a traumatic situation. I was annoyed when they played a song over Pallavi sharing the last time, and I'm glad we got a glimpse of it today. Every word she said pierced my heart, and I'm pretty sure it pierced Raghav's too, but his response came across as rather insensitive to me. It was basically, "I get you, and I know you're in a terrible situation, but too bad, this is what it's gonna be, find a way to make peace with it." As audience members, we get a lot more insight into Raghav than Pallavi does, and while we do understand how strongly he feels for Pallavi, she doesn't. And after today, I won't blame her if she shuts down further and is less inclined to share- she's not really being made to feel heard, and opening up has been a challenge for her anyway.

Same with his insistence that if she needs to see punishment being served, he's happy to serve himself up on a silver platter. Again, from his perspective, I don't think there could be a bigger indication of how much he values her. The fact that he's putting himself on the line, it's proof that she features in the short list of people he values above his own self along with Jaya, Kirti and Farhad. Else he has enough and more resources to close this entire thing off without anyone being punished, and she won't be able to do a thing about it. But if I look at it from her perspective, it feels emotionally manipulative. He knows she'd never let him take the fall for such a big crime when he's not at fault, so by constantly putting himself on the line, there's a sense of 'drop this or else..' Frankly, this plan of his has seemed quite stupid ever since she found out he was trying to frame himself as the culprit, and isn't the culprit himself.

I know this is long already, but I'll make a last point- I don't think she's feeling betrayed, really, but rather disappointed and hurt. You're right, I doubt she realized he'd go this far, but all of us watching did. I'm glad in some sense that this is happening, as heart-wrenching as it is to watch. I always felt she was falling too hard, too fast, especially considering none of the lines he's crossed before their wedding were ever really addressed- the truck incident comes to mind. I was hoping she'd have some reservations, but I guess it was in character for her to go all in. I am hoping this will make her pull back a little.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Well, he told her at the train station that he'd make her/her happiness his first priority, right? He hasn't stopped trying since then. Right now though, he has two conflicting priorities that he can't choose between without some collateral damage. So he's going with what he thinks is the lesser of two evils.

I just think they aren't on the same page as a couple, which is understandable since they are still getting to know each other. The fact that she has to ask him if he doesn't care about her feelings already shows that she doesn't see the side of him that we see, the emotional suffering he's been through since he found out about Mandaar. When he said main har cheez bolta nahin it wasn't just about love or romance, it was also about how he views her and this relationship. He knows and understands her need to punish the culprit, which is why he offers himself up, otherwise he would have shut everything down and not let her punish anyone.

Raghav could have tried to explain his perspective and it's something he's going to learn the hard way, but I think he feels she doesn't understand him or isn't in the right headspace to understand. I think he's further ahead in the relationship spiritually, so none of what she's said or done so far is a surprise. He anticipated all this, which is why he had that breakdown outside the D-house. Why me? How am I going to handle all this? If he'd had to be ruthless about all this without caring for her feelings, he wouldn't be tormented. He never once claimed to be doing the morally right thing, rather he's focused on doing what he thinks is right for his family.

No, I am not bashing Pallavi or Raghav. They are both right in their own way. I'm just saying that as an audience we see a lot more of the 360 than they do, which is why their reactions aren't always 'as people would expect'. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing couldn't be truer than what we're seeing here.

I can't believe I'm saying this but short of Mandaar actually being alive, I'm not sure I see a way forward.

I think when he said he'll be making her his top priority, it meant she'll be right up there with Amma and Kirti, He didn't anticipate his loyalties to her and Kirti being pitted against each other. I'll make my communication issues waala point once again, but it's interesting to me to see their strengths have been flipped. I always said Raghav expresses well and Pallavi listens well. Communication requires both. Now, Pallavi is expressing well, but Raghav has stopped expressing, due to the nature of the issue at hand, and they're back at square one with regards to being unable to communicate.

I can't think of a worse feeling for a man like Raghav- here's a woman he promised to give whatever she needed to find peace and happiness, and she's a pretty undemanding and easy to please person in general, so it's not like she's taken advantage of that commitment. In fact, what she's given him far exceeds whatever she's taken- his family who he craved for his entire life, unflinching support and unshakeable trust. And here's the one thing she wants more than anything else to be at peace, and he can't give it to her, because to do so would mean to throw another equally important person in his life under the bus.

It's interesting to see this play out, since many of us have said since long that Kirti is as undeserving of Raghav's affection as the Deshmukhs are of Pallavi's, and both have blinders on when it comes to their family's well being and happiness, at the cost of themselves and each other. But in both cases, it's hardly our call to make. Deserving or not, they're family. There was some contrast I'm glad Pallavi highlighted today- Pallavi chose Raghav over her family because he was right. Raghav is choosing his family over Pallavi despite the fact that she's right. I wonder how the Kirti/Raghav situation will be resolved. It's not going to be the way Vijay/Pallavi was, that I can say for sure, because Raghav isn't Pallavi and he doesn't have the benefit of a clear conscience. But either way, their current dynamic hardly feels sustainable, and I'd like to see them eventually reach a better, and healthier equilibrium. And i hope Kirti accepting the consequences of her actions is a part of it.

Originally posted by: inlieu

@bold, this is where I think Amma's advice to Raghav will play an important part. She will want him to do what's good for Keerti in terms of her learning a lesson while also being a good husband by supporting Pallavi.

Perhaps Raghav needed to hear that from Amma to see that even as a mother she's willing to choose the difficult path and that she'd stand by him during the aftermath.

It's interesting to contrast Jaya and Raghav in their approaches here. Where both have the strongest of convictions, Amma is able to put her idea of 'right' and 'wrong' above her need to protect Kirti from the consequences of her action, while Raghav doesn't live by these same rules of right and wrong, as he very clearly stated today. I liked how Amma responded today- of course her maternal instinct took over first, how could it not?? It would have been incredibly unnatural for it not to. But she was able to step back and consider what the right thing to do would be. I am dying to see how Amma's words sway or don't sway him.

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

There is a very high chance that Raghav is saving Keerthi because he knows she was not the one who caused the accident. Yes he would've saved her anyway but now he knows that she couldn't have lied about not knowing how to drive when her mother was lying in a critical condition infront of her.. which means she was with someone who was driving the car that night and who actually hit Mandhar. If that is the case, then Raghav will have to confirm who that person was and one way to do that would be to tap Keerthi's phone because I think he overheard her talking to someone on the phone that day. If he finds out that person is Sunny, then Raghav should not hesitate to take the necessary action and not let his brotherly affections for Keerthi come in the way. Infact I would go a step further to say that if Keerthi continues to behave the way she has been, selfish and unremorseful, then Raghav should cut ties with her just like she had, all this while.. Talk about character growth, this is the kinda growth I'd like to see in Raghav's character like we saw in Pallavi's when she cut ties with Vijay Deshmukh..

I just said this in a reply to Jean above, but I'll repeat- do you actually see this resolving the way Vijay/Pallavi was resolved? Raghav isn't Pallavi- he isn't driven by moral rights and wrongs the way she is, and Pallavi held no guilt towards Vijay, unlike Raghav who's guilty towards Kirti. He doesn't have the clear conscience that allowed her to take as strong a stance as she did.

Keerti makes me feel sick, how can she not have any remorse that she killed a person? Even she didn’t do it, how can she support a murderer.

I so wanted to slap her left, right and centre of her. And how she behaved with Pallu in the precap, disgusting human she is . She KILLED a human being.

She is/was angry hated, disgusted by Raghav for killing her nana and little brother and she feel he should be guilty and remember this. When will she feel guilty that she took someone’s son, nephew, brother and husband from them!! This woman should be ashamed.

jaake chullu bhar pani main doobh jana chaye.
so disgusting by. Should be ashamed of herself.

And sunny less said about that Khajoor is better, he doesn’t deserve even words.

I was so angry today watching the episode.

If Pallu had slapped Raghu today, would have had clapped for her, he deserves it too

Originally posted by: Ruhi.007

I am yet to go through the entire thread but I agree on makers butchering Keerthi. Makes me wonder is it the same character that once went out in rain to offer shelter to Pallavi when she was just a friend. This is at the same when amma and Keerthi were afraid of stepping out of their house due to infamy with the photoshoot scandal.

Also Keerthi was the one who has helped pallavi on the sangeet night unasked.. Keerthi also had helped her in keeping the fake accounts for d Dam.

Mansi's character turn about we can understand because makers have not shown much of her earlier. But Keerthi had been shown as non selfish and helpful to Pallavi. That she is suddenly made this selfish that she wants to let Farhad be blamed for a crime he is no way related. I find it very difficult to forgive unless sunny had hypnotised or nlp programmed her 😂. At the least show Keerthi as pregnant and she is doing all this to save the father of the child and the hormones are messing with her mind.

@ bold- I'm finding the changes in Kirti so hearbreaking. For the first 100 or so episodes, there were only 3 characters who always wished well for Pallavi, and always acted with her best interests in mind- Nikhil, Kirti and Krishna. Now Nikhil is missing, Kirti is on a trip, and Krishna is hardly seen. It makes Pallavi's lonliness so, so salient.

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

I just said this in a reply to Jean above, but I'll repeat- do you actually see this resolving the way Vijay/Pallavi was resolved? Raghav isn't Pallavi- he isn't driven by moral rights and wrongs the way she is, and Pallavi held no guilt towards Vijay, unlike Raghav who's guilty towards Kirti. He doesn't have the clear conscience that allowed her to take as strong a stance as she did.

If he sees Keerthi humiliate Pallavi, the way Vijay humiliated Raghav, obviously not in a similar manner, but you get the point, then maybe... But Im not sure when it comes Raghav because a.) he somehow has not connected to Pallavi as deeply as she has to him, for him to put her above his family..and b) he is not and doesnt even claim to be righteous ..I can only hope..but even if he sees Keerthi that way, I dont know if he can go to the extent Pallavi did for him..