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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: inlieu

Yep the guilt complex is going to be tough. We've already seen how much he's suffered because of his guilt about the death of his father and brother, and to add this to it must be a big deal. People wanted the ML to repent, well here it is, in all its glory. He's also burning up and will rise from the ashes when the time comes.

I wanted it, and honestly, I'm loving each second of it. This is hands-down the best written, most in-character and well executed redemption arc I've ever seen. It's genuine, heartfelt, and doesn't compromise on the dignity of either character.

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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: MistyDawn

Right...The whole team, actors and creatives included did a lot of hard work on this episode and it showed so Im not gonna let my nitpicking come in the way of appreciating what has been an overall great episode from performance point of view and from the point of view of progress in Raghav and Pallavi's relationship. Honestly I was skeptical about how they are going to deal with the "hate marriage" , how will Pallavi be able to forgive Raghav ever after what he has done. We have seen hate marriages in the past and the redemption tracks have been awefully executed.. Here, the makers have been able to successfully convince the audience and justify Pallavi's change of heart for Raghav.. the redemption has been that good. What is commendable is that they didnt drag anything, otherwise its hard to believe how far both of them have come from where they started, in such a short span of time.

Yah, about Amrutha.. they have mellowed her down I feel..the way she was talking to Manasi the other day when she was cribbing about Rahul.. she was so sweet and sensible..I know Manasi is her sister but they never showed her empathise with anyone before even Manasi when her wedding got called off.. Yesterday, Vijay was being a complete jerk..so uncharacterestic of him..anyone in their right mind would find what he was doing wrong. And she doesnt hold any personal grudge against Raghav per se, if anything he was her crush..maybe that's why she couldn't hold back..

Seriously, kudos to the team. Both for today, and the hate marriage track. I've never, ever seen this trope play out with such heart and poise before. Usually, the ill-executed redemption/forgiveness arc is when I'll quit a show, because the FL always forgives way too easily. Ladka ek baar ghutno pe girega, ya ro ke sorry bol dega, ya ladki ko bachate hue chot lag jaayegi, and bas, saat khoon maaf. I'm glad we're getting to see that work goes into making up for some errors, and forgiveness isn't an overnight change, it happens gradually.

I hope they keep Amrutha a little mellow, a little good, a little innocent. Ab to Nikhil bhi nahi hai, I don't want too many evil characters in the family. Amrutha would do well as the ditzy, but good at heart, but easily manipulated and misguided girl. Don't want her to be out and out venomous like her mom and sister and uncle.

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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

I got your point, and I agree. Letting her go was always going to have to be the last step of making things right.

The situation has become so very layered, finding the right words to discuss and describe it becomes a challenge sometimes. 😆

Reading yours and inileu’s discussions, I remembered reading a book on intense relationships. I remember the character there who was like Raghav. A person who was empathic, had a deep capacity to love but his painful past and guilt always used to traumatise his present. For me Raghav has been a bit like that. He always had the burden of the past but now he is blaming himself for what happened to Pallavi as well so I feel his self-esteem is quite low where she and her relations are concerned. The Raghav Rao who roars proudly saying he is the Don of Hyderabad is quite sensitive when it’s comes to his family and Pallavi. He is now in that close relationship with her where all his old hurt and loneliness has surfaced. His years of hunger for love, acceptance and attention which he never got have all surged up recently and he is looking at Pallavi to plug the gap which was left all these years. I guess this is what Kirti is facing as well. All their feelings of being left out, humiliated and in case of Kirti, throws tantrums like a child whenever they become desperate only to regret it after sometime. But Raghav isn’t selfish as well. With all these needs, he can still see her side, her battles and the mess her life is in. Pallavi’s happiness is his priority more than his needs so he is ready to even send her away. For a person who has kept saying not to eave him, this is a huge step in showing that he cares for her.

Pallavi had a traumatised past but we still don’t know if it was bad like Raghav. Even if it was she still got few years of happiness from Deshmuk family and now Rao’s. She is in a more better place to understand his pain and support him than he doing it for her. I don’t think she is thought of love or anything, she is just accepted him wholeheartedly with all his vices and virtues and understands him extremely well. I don’t think he has also thought of love, for him she is that intimate person with whom he can share his feelings and emotions, a person he has lacked to have all these years.


I read too many discussions at the end of the day and got bottled up with too many thoughts. Just penned it down.


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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

I know, it's unfortunate that ITV will not accept the dissolution of a marriage due to something like this. If a couple separates, it has to be due to some external majboori. Shame, because I genuinely feel it would be good for their marriage to not carry the burden of their wedding.

I wish we heard her outburst too. Don't love that they took the Tum Hi Ho route with it today.

I don't know, I don't think her outburst today was driven by his story. Her pain certainly was, the situation made.her ache so much more because of the context she was aware of. But I can't imagine any version of Pallavi- be it episode 1 or episode 105, or any episode in between, who'd find Vijay's stunts today acceptable. We've also seen her hurt towards him build and build- but being outraged on behalf of someone else was an easier conduit for all that than being outraged on behalf of herself. So this unacceptable stunt, on top of all that's been getting pent up, I feel this situation would have played out the same way even if she didn't know Raghav's past. She pulled him out of the house, and explicitly asked him to respect himself, even before the revelation. Pallavi is driven by her sense of righteousness above all, and will only accept injustice when she's the victim 😆 Baaki puri duniya ke liye jang ke maidaan mein utarne ko taiyaar rehti hai.

And that's why Sharda wasn't in the scene either- she wouldn't have stood for this, ever. Neither does she have Sulochana's sadism, nor Milind's mild manner- her recent silence has been for the sake of Vijay's health, but she'd have drawn a firm line today, much like the day she took off her mangalsutra.

But Raghav, I think, is interpreting this as her pity/obligation/generosity in response to his loneliness, so he's trying to set her free.

@bold- agree 100%.

Agree, agree and agree. 😆

She would be disgusted by VD and would have stopped him, in any situation, I agree. What I mean is her extra protectiveness and emphasis on her relationship with Raghav.. This is after she got to know his past and could connect with him on a much deeper level, plus she felt the need to make him feel secure about his own self as well as the relationship. Because she knows why he was doing it...

Actions and reactions and actions and reactions.. He does something, she feels something, she does something and he feels more and does something again and it keeps on escalating.. 😆😆

Offcourse, it was the right thing to do, but the way it was done had to be a mixture of righteousness + protectiveness + her own frustration. Which emotion was dominating, it's upto us to interpret. The protectiveness was the demand of the hour I feel. Righteousness came second, and then her own frustration.

When VD came back to take her, it was righteousness. When she went there to prove Raghav's innocence, it was again righteousness + a bit of protectiveness. And now all of that plus she was frustrated too.

However, here she had the chance to say, Raghav why are you doing this? Maafi kisi galat kaam ke liye maangi jaati hai, jab maine kuchh galat kiya hi nahin hai toh kyun maang rahe ho maafi mere liye...

Anyways she did manage to strike some major points across, so not bad at all. .. 👏

Edited by Ubiquitos - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: inlieu

His own words to her at the mandap that this was a deal and that she shouldn't expect anything from it, are now back coming to haunt him. He is the one with the expectations and hates the word deal and all the connotations. He probably thinks she's still honoring her end of the bargain and doesn't want to see her in that position of 'majboori' again.

Also, he is ziddi/single track minded and man of his words.. He tried his best but couldn't and now Pallavi closed that door. It's like what Pallavi said, what has been done has been done, ab chahe tum kuchh bhi karlo use sahi nahin kar sakte and he couldn't. He was on a mission and he failed, so now he is ready to accept the consequences. The rest is upto Pallavi. It is actually his duty/responsibility to take away that obligation first, and let her decide. He is giving her an opportunity to decide for herself (because he knows she herself will not ask for it) in his own immature way. Jyada karne ki himmat nahin hai, itni himmat hoti toh divorce paper deta. And he cannot even disrespect her feelings...So this was the best method..😆

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Posted: 4 years ago

Pallavi /Shivangi was too good 🥳

Watched episode 2-3 times already

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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Pallavi aaj sherni mode mein thi, and I loved every second of it. Honestly, had to watch the episode a couple of times to gather my thoughts, because the first time I was too in awe of her to analyze much else.

I'm a little conscious about going there again, because I've ranted and raved about this man enough in the past few days, but a couple of Vijay points I want to mention- I've never felt such disgust towards a character. One word that completely revolted me today was when Pallavi asked him WTF is going on here, he said it's the 'shuruat' of mending relationships- how much further and lower was he planning to go, if this was his beginning?

Pallavi's blow-up at him was exactly what I wanted from her, but I was too scared to hope for this early. I wanted a moment of her going, who the hell are you to disown or forgive me, today I'm done with you. And we got that today. I loved some of her lines today- largely, I think the dialogues were really well written. Lines that stood out-

'Pehle aap apni harkaton pe lagaam kasiye'

@bold - absolutely loved this one! The verbal volley between Pallavi and Vijay was so engaging. This one ranks right at the top. Well done writers!!

YES, YES, YES. Yes, please. So sick of the whole 'Badon ke saath tameez se baat karo' idea.

No, I'm sorry, respect has to be earned, your age doesn't entitle you to respect beyond a point. This idea is so deeply ingrained in us, I saw a couple of responses on other platforms where people were uncomfortable with Pallavi calling Vijay by his name, felt she took it too far by doing that, and it's important to address. His behaviour didn't warrant any respect from anyone in that moment, so I'm glad Pallavi was beyond this BS.

WORD!!

She clearly said aap baba chhodo sasur kehlane ke layak nahi rahe. Jab kisi rishte ki izzat hi nahi rakhni Sanki ko, to samne wala kya kare?

'Aapka gussa ek hadd tak hi jaayaz hai, uske baad nahi'

This, along with her conversation with Jaya yesterday, gave a little perspective on why she's apologized, and why she's so far been okay with the 'getting Deshmukhs to forgive Pallavi' narrative that's been annoying many of us. She holds some guilt for forging the shop accounts, even though her intentions were good. She's willing to accept anger in response for that. But Vijay is now extremely disproportionate in his response, and just as clearly as she sees her own mistake, she sees the severe flaw in his response too.

Her conversation with Raghav in the bedroom also mirrored those feelings perfectly. Aap jitna jhuko, log apko utna jhukane ki koshish karte hain.. This is what Deshmukh's have been doing the whole time with her and Raghav..


And of course, 'Mujhe aap logon se koi rishta nahi rakhna hai. Yeh parivaar mere pyaar aur parvah ke laayak hi nahi hai'. No comments needed. Milind's surprised but happy face at being included in Pallavi's 'apne' was very cute and heartwarming. Pallavi's going to remember that his actions allowed her to intervene today, the fact that he called her means something to her.

Another shikar of our sherni today was Kirti. Again, even in her rage, her character was kept consistent. Kirti was throwing blame at both Pallavi and Raghav- explicitly said 'this is all because of you'- Pallavi didn't say a single word in her own defense. Not a trait I love, but definitely consistent. I wonder how the reveal that Raghav paid Sunny off is going to play out.

@bold- she had already tried to explain to her that she is not the one to snitch but Keerthi has become Sanki 2.0. she is not gonna believe Pallavi, not now when she can see her defend Raghav all the time infront of everyone

Oof, this is long already, but coming to RaghVi today. Loved their scenes so much. I got emotional in their first scene, in the hallway right after they reach home. Raghav is arguing about why Pallavi brought up Sulochana, since he had a deal with her. My reading of this scene was that he was way too overwhelmed by what had just gone down, and not in a state to be able to process it, so he latched onto this insignificant thing, which he could understand and process. After everything he heard her say, why else would he fixate on, "BWA is going to clear your name." Pallavi was having none of it, and he deserved that yelling he got from her about letting her make decisions regarding her family. All those mahaanta ke taane, and dimaag ghar bhool gaye the kya and the tragedy king taunt - all perfect, and delivered perfectly by Shivangi.

Amidst her outburst, she even managed to put in her request of the food item she wanted on the dinner menu. Appam bhi bana dena 🤣Shivangi switches and transitions so smoothly from one emotion to another. One fine actress in the making.

And then the bedroom scene- each frame was perfect. I loved her upfront 'nahi hoon main theek'- she's beyond pretences. I loved how he instantly went from scared of her to worried about her in that very second. And her 'gussa aa raha hai mujhe tumpe' was again lovely. No pretences, open communication, and open expression of her very valid emotions. The way her voice broke at "Accha hua ki kaka ne mujhe bula liya, warna baba...". It's a lot to process, that someone you've loved and respected above all else could stoop to such a level. My heart broke for her, and for him, who's never had someone care so deeply about his self respect.

The entire bedroom scene, from the minute Raghav walked in an goes " kaha gaya ye atom bomb! 😆 to the moment he hears her say those words " Lo bana diya tumhe apni priority" I wish I was able to express my feelings so openly and with such honesty. Not just Raghav, Pallavi is completely transparent and honest in all her relationships.. Like you said no pretenses whatsoever.

Rest of the scene, there's nothing left to say, except it's still giving me the feels. Pallavi has just about reached her breaking point, and I don't think she realized what her statement meant to Raghav. Raghav is overwhelmed beyond belief. Dono ne dil le liya aaj.

Edited by MistyDawn - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

Seriously, kudos to the team. Both for today, and the hate marriage track. I've never, ever seen this trope play out with such heart and poise before. Usually, the ill-executed redemption/forgiveness arc is when I'll quit a show, because the FL always forgives way too easily. Ladka ek baar ghutno pe girega, ya ro ke sorry bol dega, ya ladki ko bachate hue chot lag jaayegi, and bas, saat khoon maaf. I'm glad we're getting to see that work goes into making up for some errors, and forgiveness isn't an overnight change, it happens gradually.

I hope they keep Amrutha a little mellow, a little good, a little innocent. Ab to Nikhil bhi nahi hai, I don't want too many evil characters in the family. Amrutha would do well as the ditzy, but good at heart, but easily manipulated and misguided girl. Don't want her to be out and out venomous like her mom and sister and uncle.

Ghutno pe girke sorry bolna to fir bhi thik hai.. I have seen FL hyperventilate the moment ML catches her in those cliched trip, fall, catch moments and bam! Next moment they are staring into each others eyes with some stupid romantic song in the background.. Also, it is mostly the FLs achhai that forces the ML to mellow and transition from the angry, douche guy to her knight in shining armour. Not because he himself has any realization of how wrongly he has treated her.. That's why I am glad thay they were no where close to being being attracted to the point of falling in love or anything before things got msessed up. Otherwise, we would have seen rekindling of those suppressed feelings and bematlab ka sexual tension instead of a much needed redemption for Raghav first before anything happens.

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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

I haven't seen this show, but that line sounds freaking adorable. Gonna go hunt down this scene now.

Couldn't help but comment. KRPKAB is ❤️. You should try it. And today happens to be anniversary of that confession, just saw it trending on twitter. I won't spoil it,but it's so beautifully worded.

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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: aye-masakalii

I haven't seen this show, but that line sounds freaking adorable. Gonna go hunt down this scene now.


check it out here

https://youtu.be/ZH-XYySWoDQ?t=1240

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