Cinema as art or commerce? - Page 2

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

it's not a rehab mech, but it's been well-studied that visual media does affect how population think and act. Companies like Google and Facebook have actually conducted experiments on it. So yeah... artists do have that responsibility.

Thats why they cant be very 'intelligent' audience. If cinema can brainwash in a controlled manner then it will be heavily regulated.

if its peer reviewed and actually published. Then a law has to be in place...Censor board laws needs to be amended. Aneways, Distorting reality in movies wont make world a better place...People will notice that outcomes for good/bad guys is not so straightfwd in reality. We had enough of those movies ...world is still the same.

Thats my view. I never met an audience that is so deluded and hence My reality and the world i live in is perhaps completely different unlike people who can be led on to whereever a film maker or artist can take them.

Also, artists refuse to take responsibility beyond confines of legality(censor board). In that case there should be script censoring before even pre production and shoots.

but it's been well-studied that visual media does affect how population think and act. " Twitter echo chambers does this better than any visual media" . It has become increasingly harder to make people think and act any differently than their originally formed ideas.

can you share the published article by google/facebook ?

Originally posted by: pali001

I cannot fathom how people consider themselevs are " intelligent audience" when they think cinema is some kind of rehabilitation mehanism (it wont solve sexism , misogyny or even so called problematic issues ) just by changing how you end a movie or adding lengthy bhaari dialogues.

Yes Cinema in its truest sense is entertainment. Timepass 😳

Originally posted by: pali001

Thats why they cant be very 'intelligent' audience. If cinema can brainwash in a controlled manner then it will be heavily regulated.

if its peer reviewed and actually published. Then a law has to be in place...Censor board laws needs to be amended. Aneways, Distorting reality in movies wont make world a better place...People will notice that outcomes for good/bad guys is not so straightfwd in reality. We had enough of those movies ...world is still the same.

Thats my view. I never met an audience that is so deluded and hence My reality and the world i live in is perhaps completely different unlike people who can be led on to whereever a film maker or artist can take them.

Also, artists refuse to take responsibility beyond confines of legality(censor board). In that case there should be script censoring before even pre production and shoots.

but it's been well-studied that visual media does affect how population think and act. " Twitter echo chambers does this better than any visual media" . It has become increasingly harder to make people think and act any differently than their originally formed ideas.

can you share the published article by google/facebook ?

I'm not saying cinema has to project a world that is diff from the one we live in. But there is a lot it can do to not NORMALIZE bad behavior and criminality. Which is what it does a lot of times in BW.

Google/FB experimenst: It's not a published article. It's their search engine alogorthm manipulation.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/16/google-autocomplete-rightwing-bias-algorithm-political-propaganda

There's more material out there on it.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

To address the question...

Yes, art can be commercially successful. Problem with most *artistic* filmmakers I see is that they blame the audience for not understanding their creations. Problem is in your creation, sir, not the movie-watching public. You don't need to insert item numbers and cheapen your endeavor, but you also need to make real art on screen appealing to the common man. How, you may ask. Well, that's what you get paid the big bucks to figure out. Want some tips? Check out regional cinema... a Kumbalangi Nights or Super Deluxe or Sairat.

I can see your point. Item numbers really ruin the movies. Tf is the need to add those? Baseless entertainment imo. They might have marketing reasons to add those, who knows. Blah.

Regional movies are so freaking great. Malayalam movies have art and art and art filled LMAO. BW is kinda in the social messages zone (Akshay movies) lately, which is a form of art I believe. Though mostly, I don't watch the movies because they look like crap and baseless and useless romance time pass. But they earn lot of money and people seem to be enjoying the masala movies. Now, entertainment is a sort of art. So, I think art is just defined by individuals who might share a different perspective than you or me (replying to TM here).

Commerce. Pure and simple