Mohabbat Tujhe Alvida#2 - Mansha, Sonya, Zahid (note pg5) - Page 55

Watched the last episode out of curiosity.

So shafaq asks for forgiveness and Shahaan accepts! Bhai wah!

Originally posted by: -FreeLancer-

Naah dint feel like watching the whole drama - judging from whatever I have seen sofar. If Shafaq said that, then she is also in the wrong. However, I dont understand how she could possibly know that Ulfat will change completely after getting money? What if she hadnt? Ulfat's behaviour was her own doing. Nobody asked her to go crazy and go on a spending spree....nobody asked her to insult Shahaan - when he finally gifted her those golden earrings that she once craved for. Her being arrogant on her wedding anniversary party for some random high society party and then creating a massive scene in front of all the guests.

Dying isnt redemption. No..it needs a lot more strength to face the consequences of one's actions and actually live with it. Ulfat chose a self destructive path and she had nobody to blame except her own greed. Shafaq may have enticed her into taking money - but whatever she did after that was purely her doing.

I agree. There was no redemption from ulfat. Did she feel sorry for what she did ? It was a deal and as per the deal she would get money in lieu of sharing her husband ..mind it. "Sharing" . Shafaq and shahan didnt have an ema and shafaq didnt plot herself into their life unlike nisha of jalan. It was ulfat who couldn't chew what she had bite. Eyeing a married man was never a problem here , he didnt have to choose between the 2 women , neither in the beginning nor end , unlike Judai.

If shafaq knew that ulfat would go crazy with all that money and shahan would be exclusive to her , its not bec ulfat loved shahan but bec ulfat was too greedy to give away shahan. Shafaq exploited her weakness ..greed....both the women were like that.... In the last epi when I heard her saying she lost love when she got money and lost life when she got love , something on those lines , I felt kinda angry . It was all her doing......what was she thinking ? She would have undivided attention of shahan AND the money AND her son and mother figure and shafaq will play what role in their life ? Deal is a deal.....plus I didnt like how she made her friend noori her maid/secretary. Also didnt like how she treated her son throughout . he saw a mother figure in shafaq and not ulfat. Did ulfat do it on purpose ? I know in the end she was trying to make him hate her but that was not the case throughout is it ?

Ulfat could have mended fences with shahan and not behave so rash with him . Not let her ego rule her mind post shahan and shafaq marriage...both the women were wrong into wishing exclusive love but that's what they opted for...ulfat realized what shafaq was doing but did she try to backtrack then?.... I didnt like the lawyer scene too..there r things more imp than money for many people.

She died , obviously audience wud feel bad for someone to die that way but why shouldn't shahan forgive shafaq ? He forgave ulfat too . Shafaq was his legally married wife , he fell in love with shafaq which she earned , she gave up all the luxuries , her ego , her status , job n opted for a simple life , for shahan

. For what she loved...her way of entering his life was wrong no doubt...but what could possibly be her redemption ? Give up everything and make way for ulfat and shahan? That's what jhanvi did in judai..but here the difference was both ulfat and shafaq were his wives and he loved both. N all could lead a happy and comfortable life then why should shafaq give up all and show herself Mahaan? Lol ainvayi?

Agreed ulfat was greedy and greed for money and luxury is natural ..but there was no need for a dying angle. Good or bad aside , she never had a character arc ..I neither felt good for her nor bad......infact i didnt feel anything for any character here lol if ulfat didnt die and regretted like sridevi did , there would be a happily ever after ending with shahan and his 2 wives and son . Big deal.

I still feel.greed for love is superior to greed for materialistic things. It's what people do with it and how far do they take it , which makes a difference.

Originally posted by: nanette

Read this line somewhere on Instagram under a MTA parting post that “baichnay waalay main laalach daali jaati hai jab k khareednay waala laalchi hota hai.” It’s funny how people judge Ulfat’s greed and in the same breath they ignore Shafaq’s envy. Greed is greed. Whether it is for money or a married man. Here’s a question for members of this forum: Is it only wrong when a sister does that? So you are allowed to harass a married stranger as long as it is not your sister’s territory? 🤔 Someone here asked what if Shahaan had done what Ulfat did. In my opinion it would have been more unpleasant, had Shahaan done it. I need to do a separate post for that and I will. This reply is already wordy so don’t want to add that here. That’s a long debate but trust me it’s not about gender discrimination. There are things that sound worse when a particular gender does it. A husband marrying his wife off to a wealthy man for money sounds more like baichna, especially if he is a Muslim. But just like @Unique.Sheep said, At least Ulfat redeemed herself. She learned from her mistakes and grew. Character development is a major component of any great story. Of course Ulfat embodied negative traits like greed and jealousy, but she also had a weak point (love for her husband) This weak point was the key to her redemption, and it was used to break past her armor and show her the need for change. She needed to experience something that would break her harmful worldview. In Ulfat’s case that experience was seeing Shahaan wounded because of her actions and suddenly witnessing the true effects of her behavior. This not only created an interesting redemption arc, but a believable one. Don’t know why people are calling that illogical? 😕 I think her arc was beautiful. However, to be believable, this arc required a major sacrifice on the part of her character—and I though it would be divorce but the writer killed her. 🥺 Usually, this style of redemption is best for characters whose actions have been so reprehensible that only the most severe consequences will redeem them. But I’m simply not convinced. I don’t think what Ulfat did it was so bad that only death could reverse it. This is why I feel bad for her. Why is it so shocking? Pakistanis loving Sultan Durani is ok. Y’all fantasizing about Mir Hadi isn’t shocking. Y’all feeling sorry for Hamza Khalid is cute but God damn Ulfat who deserves to burn in fiery pits of hell and for what? For not being able to reason with fear and greed and avoid its traps. It’s not that I feel bad for greedy people. The thing is that I actually feel bad for people running behind momentary happiness that is about to cause them several years of despair. Greed is wrong but it’s also true that logic and reason fade away in front of it. If Ulfat had a looking glass into the future, she wouldn’t have made the deal even if it was Bill Gate’s mansion. People rise up only when they fall down. That deal was Ulfat’s fall. And these last few episodes were her rise. Whereas Shafaq was Shafaq throughout the entire drama. No redemption. No development. No remorse. No journey. That’s so boring. 🥱

Shafaq was not shafaq throughout the series. She started off as an emotionless ruthless egoistic self centered , broken woman . She witnesses Shanahan's love for his wife and she compared it to her own husband who abused her. She valued love and she fell in love with this man n literally gave up her own self to be loveable to shahan. She was cunning enuf to know how shahan would picture his partner and she became like that. I would call it self preservation. She was greedy for love and she got love . It is an arc as per me. Which brings me to bold#2.

Sultan durani moved from gray to dark to darkest , in love..imo he turned into a sociopath n I dont remember anyone supporting him ...he never redeemed . Mir hadi moved from darkness to light , in love. That was his redemption but imo he deserved not getting what he desired and he also made peace with it. Humza Khalid also moved from darkness to light , in love , n whatever the deal was with him , is debatable ..what I dont understand is , how is ulfat any close to these characters ?lol ulfat was never an obsessive lover . She was greedy for luxuries, it was a bearable trait. Nor is she a vamp nor anyone to look upto.

Bold #1 . A sister who created hatred in her jija's mind , so that he leaves her sister and marry her , sorry , I find no comparison to her actions with what shafaq did. Yes , if shafaq seduced shahan into an affair , drugged him , slept with him, created misunderstandings in his marriage , then yes the comparison was believable .... what mehwish did to her husband in mptm ? mehwish WAS wrong...mta would have gone mptm way if shafaq was the male version of that rich guy ..

unfortunately there is no provision in law for a woman to have 2 husbands but there is a provision for the husband ....so Shafaq devised a way to marry shahan . If shahan loved his wife ulfat only , post marriage also he would have never fallen for shafaq. He chose not to stay exclusive so it's fine. Everyone stayed with the choices they made. How is one woman a victim here while the other a vamp? Both were greedy both were envious. But both were bearable.

Shafaq could have asked ulfat to get lost from.shahans life too, like , this could be the deal and worse. Shafaq chose.to share shahan with ulfat as she realized ulfat mattered.to him and he wont get over with her easily....she didnt "trap ulfat. Ulfat lit up the fire herself. shahan also felt that shafaq loves him the same.way he loves ulfat. Hence he agreed to marry her , he couldn't hate either of them after knowing the truth which is justified.

Imo shahan gave a lot of leverage to ulfat before marriage with shafaq. Ulfat really behaved in an abnormal way n shahan couldn't get through her....shahan continued to love ulfat so that's why he could forgive shafaq too..like he said he didnt know how to unlove people he loved..shafaq got lucky lol

Originally posted by: _charu_

shahan gave a lot of leverage to ulfat before marriage with shafaq. Ulfat really behaved in an abnormal way n shahan couldn't get through her....shahan continued to love ulfat so that's why he could forgive shafaq too..like he said he didnt know how to unlove people he loved..shafaq got lucky lol

I agree with all what you wrote in the previous posts. 😊

Can we take a moment to appreciate Shahan's character? 😃 A man who only knows how to love .❤️ I didn't expect him to forgive both his wives easily.😳 I expected his anger to last for few episodes at least.. but he is one in a million. A man who is betrayed by the ladies whom he loved so much , but still he continues to love them maybe more, because when you love you can't hate.. you accept your beloved ones with their flaws. 🤗

Originally posted by: _charu_

I agree. There was no redemption from ulfat. Did she feel sorry for what she did ? It was a deal and as per the deal she would get money in lieu of sharing her husband ..mind it. "Sharing" . Shafaq and shahan didnt have an ema and shafaq didnt plot herself into their life unlike nisha of jalan. It was ulfat who couldn't chew what she had bite. Eyeing a married man was never a problem here , he didnt have to choose between the 2 women , neither in the beginning nor end , unlike Judai.

If shafaq knew that ulfat would go crazy with all that money and shahan would be exclusive to her , its not bec ulfat loved shahan but bec ulfat was too greedy to give away shahan. Shafaq exploited her weakness ..greed....both the women were like that.... In the last epi when I heard her saying she lost love when she got money and lost life when she got love , something on those lines , I felt kinda angry . It was all her doing......what was she thinking ? She would have undivided attention of shahan AND the money AND her son and mother figure and shafaq will play what role in their life ? Deal is a deal.....plus I didnt like how she made her friend noori her maid/secretary. Also didnt like how she treated her son throughout . he saw a mother figure in shafaq and not ulfat. Did ulfat do it on purpose ? I know in the end she was trying to make him hate her but that was not the case throughout is it ?

Ulfat could have mended fences with shahan and not behave so rash with him . Not let her ego rule her mind post shahan and shafaq marriage...both the women were wrong into wishing exclusive love but that's what they opted for...ulfat realized what shafaq was doing but did she try to backtrack then?.... I didnt like the lawyer scene too..there r things more imp than money for many people.

She died , obviously audience wud feel bad for someone to die that way but why shouldn't shahan forgive shafaq ? He forgave ulfat too . Shafaq was his legally married wife , he fell in love with shafaq which she earned , she gave up all the luxuries , her ego , her status , job n opted for a simple life , for shahan

. For what she loved...her way of entering his life was wrong no doubt...but what could possibly be her redemption ? Give up everything and make way for ulfat and shahan? That's what jhanvi did in judai..but here the difference was both ulfat and shafaq were his wives and he loved both. N all could lead a happy and comfortable life then why should shafaq give up all and show herself Mahaan? Lol ainvayi?

Agreed ulfat was greedy and greed for money and luxury is natural ..but there was no need for a dying angle. Good or bad aside , she never had a character arc ..I neither felt good for her nor bad......infact i didnt feel anything for any character here lol if ulfat didnt die and regretted like sridevi did , there would be a happily ever after ending with shahan and his 2 wives and son . Big deal.

I still feel.greed for love is superior to greed for materialistic things. It's what people do with it and how far do they take it , which makes a difference.

You echoed everything I wanted to say :)

Last episode trp:4.9☢️

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Originally posted by: Ash_Smash

Wow.. I don't know what to say. First of all I am so sorry for your loss. Greed is a very dangerous thing. As a mother it's hard to imagine leaving my own children, I am blindly in love with them and madly in love with my husband.

But I am not in a place to judge anyone. She was my childhood friend. Her father used to be our gardener, but for us they were like family. We grew up together in London. It's a very long story. She married my cousin and later committed suicide. Later I found letter she left for me, she wrote she never had the courage to give them to me. Suddenly my pain and hate was gone, but scars she left still hurt. Some things can't be forgotten or forgiven.

@-charu-, Like I said before, I’m not here to defend Ulfat’s greed. All I’m asking is how is Ulfat’s pursuit for the money she believed she was owed any different than Shafaq’s scorch a home strategy? Ok let’s agree that no one can excuse Ulfat’s deplorable acts, but the problem is that she has not been given the same benefit of willful forgiveness we, the audience, have bestowed upon so many evil characters that were far worse. IMO, we should at least understand the duality of Ulfat as both a greedy and stubborn wife with a cold touch of darkness, and a guilty and heartbroken woman who learned that no one is going to protect her from the darkness of life. In a television full of divisive and amoral characters, Ulfat is the least divisive and amoral of them all. That doesn’t mean I’m defending what she did. In fact, I spent the first few episodes longing for Shahaan to divorce her. But there was a time when my opinion of Ulfat changed on a dime, and I can tell you the exact moment that it happened. It was when Shahaan confessed his love for Shafaq. I’m not blaming him lol. In fact I think Ulfat was stupid to believe that her husband, a man, wouldn’t fall for another woman lol. But that particular episode reminded me that there is no such thing as pure good and pure evil. Everything is coloured in shades. No-one, not even a seasoned high school debater would dare to argue that selling your husband for a few extra bucks is ok. But let’s do a little bit of posturing for a second and examine her motives. Everything Ulfat has done has been in service of a best life. She loved her family with a primal fierceness. She has more understandable motivations for her actions than any of the other villains we see on Pakistani television. Whatever Ulfat did since the beginning came back to one, singular goal: a happy life. She thought money is all she needed for a happy life. Which is wrong, yes, and she’s failed miserably in that mission, and in some cases, even exacerbated the problem. But when you’re swimming against the tides of a lifestyle that’s proven to be more enjoyable you almost forget a proper attitude towards money. Or how much you really need. Or how far you’d go in order to make more. Poor girl didn’t know that greed is something that works against you (Shafaq on the other hand knew the consequences of what’s she’s doing so no they are not the same) Ulfat’s notoriety is notable in a TV where nearly every significant character has committed at least one or two horrific acts, and where even several main characters have been serial killers and torturers. Ulfat has never been that sort of one-dimensional sociopath, like Sultan Durani or Mir Hadi, hell-bent on doing evil for its own sake. Yet these characters remain beloved and largely perceived as heroic, because we see their motivations and situations as complicated and sympathetic (I’m not saying these characters are related.. I said people who can’t forgive Ulfat’s greed have absolved evil men of all the crimes before) If anything, Ulfat’s worst acts have been motivated by her love of her husband and her desire to fill her body with good food. Or have a closet full of Chanel purses. Or wanting to party like Gatsby lol. You might think that by throwing some humor I’m trying to make the word “greed” lose its potency lol. I’m sorry but that’s not my intention. I’m not trying to shove Ulfat pity down your throats. Y’all can hate her. That’s your choice. My main point is the hypocrisy that puts me off. Things like vengeance, self-preservation, hatred, greed, jealousy these are consistently lauded as motivations for other similarly imperfect characters. So why does greed look so much worse on Ulfat? If we swap a Feroz or a Danish into her place and even put a sword in their hands, would they elicit the same dislike? NO! All the other characters who evince power in traditionally masculine ways are praised. And not just praised. The writer is cursed when their women leave them at the end lol. So my question is: why this singular hate?

And yes Shafaq was always the same. Her essence has not changed a gram. Her task was to fulfill her cunning plan, pretending to be kind and sweet. She is just a – hypocrite. She excelled so much in the “science of pretense” that at first glance she seems the cutest of all you’ve ever met in your life. And only with the passage of time she reveals her true face, and we see the exact opposite image – treacherous, envious and vile. She knew how to pose as a victim, like no other. Or how to use empathy as a tool for manipulating people. Ulfat didn’t know manipulation. Or tactics. Which is why the haughty intellectual, successful and influential Shafaq seemed more determined than ever to freeze her out. This drama doesn’t just teach you how unchecked greed destroys you. It also tells you that if you aren't smart, you'll get ripped off.

Originally posted by: ItsmeSehar

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