Is being grey is same as being criminal - Page 3

Originally posted by: captain_waffle

I get what you are saying. My post was meant for people who expected soo much from that character.

Well, I believe their writing is stronger than their execution tbh. The visualisation part is lacking. But then again, its better according to ITV standards.

Haha, that bashing character thing was meant for fans who only want their fav to have a strong track over other characters. Every character will have its downs and ups.

Originally posted by: BhataktiAtma.

Wahi toh kahin toh had se jyada expectation hai aur kahin hai hi nahin.

Even Riddhima is going to flip sabse badi palti yahi maregi dekha sabse badi gadhi hi sabse shandi niklegi😆

Originally posted by: captain_waffle

People should stop believing in their own false theories and the blame the makers when its proved wrong. Watch it without any sort of expectation and its really entertaining than usual ITV stuff despite being telecasted in this rubbish annoying channel.

Originally posted by: Abhyudaya

I completely agree with you dear. You don't need to be a criminal for being a grey person. Both are different things.

Koi ye difference samjhao janta ko besides I think Vansh's grey side and his plan is yet to reveal.🤔

Originally posted by: BhataktiAtma.

Koi ye difference samjhao janta ko besides I think Vansh's grey side and his plan is yet to reveal.🤔

Yes. No matter today what makers are introducing since day one, they are very clear about one thing. Vansh is greyer than Tara. Vansh has many layers in him and he is the ultimate mastermind. He is the greyer version seeing how he behaved with Ridhima very recently - paralyzed her. Yes, he tried to be cruel in order to keep her safe. But that is his greyer version or may be this is grey and the darker greyer version is something we need to meet .

Many layers indeed - Vansh is mysterious where Vihaan cons the people. In the same way, both are same. Vihaan is also mysterious. If Vihaan is a replica of Vansh and if a different person, why wait until his death? He can try to play games way before. So Vansh is showing his another funny and charming yet the one can understand inside out layer which is hidden until now.

If he is coming as Vihaan at some point he would realize Ridhima is a victim. Secondly, he said Ridhima only death can apart them. So he will keep her even though he hates her. Might to torture her mentally. He cannot kill Ridhima easily as he does with others because he himself said he is not a criminal and he never killed anyone.

May be if Ridhima learns Vihaan is Vansh will see the obsession side of Vansh who is hiding until now by being Vihaan. Remember the day Ridhima told Ishani she saw the real face of Vansh, for a nanosecond Ishani showed the expressions of being worried. Like something really bad real face. So I want to see what those expressions mean actually?

He is greyer. Sometimes, every crime doesn't need a criminal to behind. A couple of times, human being emotions and betrayal they face making them hurt someone who is worse to call as a human being.

If tomorrow, to save Sia if Ridhima shoots Anupriya or Kabir, will she become criminal in our eyes? No. Same goes with Vansh.

Originally posted by: captain_waffle

Thank you for this well-needed post. Thank you :)

What happens is people often start making up and believing in their own false theories and then raise cries when the makers show what they have planned and proceed to bash them for the false hopes they themselves raised. Ditto thing is Vansh was a mafia on the surface in the beginning of the show atleast that's how it was presented but isn't thriller means nothing is as it is looking on surface??😕

Actually I would congrat them for tying up some loose threads yesterday (there were always complain that they forgot to clear stuff) and hopefully they show what happened to Sejal too. Again the complaint was the result of impatience makers never intended to leave those lose ends it's thriller too so just were waiting for the right time to reveal things.

Other thing is people complain that their should be some revelations true to an extent and the makers did here and there a lot with last episode but people want everything to be revealed too soon or all together. Is it a finite series first clear me this. If it is then agree with them if not then what will they show later on then stretching will begin and that's what happened in season 1. A finite show stretched too long and ended up ruined. Then again people will complain.

This track was obviously planned from the beginning especially with how ambiguous they showed Neha's death to be. Tbh, that ambiguity had already made me suspicious and the fact his character staunchly believes in only killing people who have wronged his family was already enough proof that his character wouldn't be completely dark. Agree it was planned before itself and even then he left Ragini alive and made arrangements for her to begin new life in abroad after getting the needed information out of her.

The character arcs are developing now. It's now when things will start unfolding.

Vansh obviously going to seek revenge via Vihaan after being misunderstood by his love. And all the points you raised are true to his character. (Yes I believe Vansh is Vihaan, lol they won't kill off a character they bothered hyping this much and yesterday's IV confirmed it was a development in Vansh's character) yes if he actually misunderstood her 🤨I have a theory there

Riddhima on finding the truth ,will go through guilt and then eventually try outsmarting Kabir. Also people need to understand a pawn doesn't turn into the queen in a single day, its a slow metamorphosis. Witnessing this process will be amazing. But alas, here fans cry again saying she is weak. She is the most human character in the show ,trying to make the most of her circumstances. Agree if it is what it is being shown and Riddhima is no way weak. Khulle sand ki tarah jaise ye situations mein ghusti hai from where is she weak?😕

Whereas we now get an insight on how horrible parenting ( golddigger mom) and circumstances turned Kabir into a bitter manipulative greedy murderer who doesn't have any remorse for his deeds. Agree

Also fans need to stop questioning why their favourite is wasting their talent doing these characters. Your favourite knew what their characters are gonna be when they were approached. Which means they saw something interesting in their character and hence chose it. Viewers are seeing only episodes while actors know the story characters they are going to play kuch toh dekha hoga na all 3 lead actors aren't someone who do aivayi projects track record utha k dekhlo trust them atleast.

The need of the hour is patience as this is ultimately a daily soap and a lot of people lack this. And I feel its because a lot of us have binge-watched thrillers. Everything can't be revealed in a day in this scenario. Everything in the series isn't perfect beause its also an Indian soap. Also the lockdown has left people with alot of time that they end up obsessing over the series. Agree patience is what people are lacking and that's one thing you need while watching a thriller show forget that even in normal other shows one needs that but they test our patience in entirely different way that's a different matter😆

People should stop believing in their own false theories and the blame the makers when its proved wrong. Watch it without any sort of expectation and its really entertaining than usual ITV stuff despite being telecasted in this rubbish annoying channel. See coming up with theories is all good but believing it to be how it is not. You can like or dislike what makers are showing but you cannot say that that's not how it is. Agree often makers ruin the show and characters but here case is different.

This post is my POV so if anybody is offended by it, I can't help ya.

(End of my long rant - sorry, but your post was really valid and I couldn't resist commenting this) thank you totally loveed your POV :)

Originally posted by: asmaanixx

A big hug to your post! 🤗

I understand people getting attached to certain characters. Heck, I'm attached to Vansh/Vihaan. But at the end of the day, one needs to realize and accept that this is a television, moreover an ITV show. Characters will never be presented as we want them. Scenes will never be executed as we want them. If you want to enjoy the show to its fullest, then you need to set your own expectations aside and allow yourself to process, and accept what's being given to you. The journey, and the emotions you feel while seeing these characters is what matters. Final judgments are best reserved for after the whole product has been delivered.

Character arcs for example, cannot be definitively judged upon because none of their journeys are complete. There's still so much for them to do.

Also, hell yes to the patience! This is the one thing that needs to be delivered to people in huge amounts. 😂😂😂

Same things are still happening, still unfolding and will continue to happen and unfold. So patience is what is needed herein huge amounts😆

Originally posted by: NewAccount

Its always not about theories & assumption, being a slightly better written character people expect more from the character 'vansh'. So disappointment comes from there. For me his being murderer or not doesn't matter to me. They can make him interesting grey character without making him psychotic killer. Last night in EDT mentioned about a character who was a quite psychotic but didn't kill a single person. When I started watching this show I was not expecting something path breaking. So don't really have the problem with the typical track. My biggest issue is the writing & execution. They're not executing tracks in a convincing way. As a viewer I've lost the connection.

About the bashing character, some people do it because they expect some good writing, some do it they are fan of other actor & some do it just for no reason.

Agree with you but for character to unfold you need to give them time na dear:) The show has not ended it's still going on, actors are still there and about Vansh's character he might have taken a backseat but is not gone forever just for the time being. So let's wait, be patient and not loose hope. Things will unfold eventually 🙂

Originally posted by: captain_waffle

Gurrrrrrllll, hugs back at ya too🤗

@bold, so freaking trueeee.

I swear I needed to get this out after seeing the sheer clownery by some peeps, being all delusional and blaming makers for not proving their own theories right.

Anything happens ,bash the makers. Its a pity because the makers have alot at stake while making such stuff.

As a writer, I am sure you will agree Gur, its easier to write FFs or OSs here because you don't have to stick to a daily schedule, no monetary expenses or external influences unlike writing for a show. You can develop your characters , story and twist in a few updates and be over with it. Agree here makers have lots of pressure and need to cater everyone. It's not easy and often they will falter. It's not going to be perfect always.

This is a track seems to have been planned wayyy ahead. Enjoy this before they run out of the planned tracks and go all haywire and show crap (can I plwweaseeeee site GoT as an example although it was produced in the other side of the world - what they did to my Margaery babe 😭😭😭😭😭😭) The track was planned as mentioned by Rrahul in his latest IV. So yes let's enjoy till we can and before dragging and ruining begins.

I am enjoying the performances of all the actors and characterizations. Heck, even Anupriya Mata was better with her haughty face yesterday than her emotional scenes *can't believe I just said this* AP is better in bossy and haughty scenes but horrible in emotional ones. If it's deliberate or if she is just that bad I don't know.

Rather than enjoying the sequence, people are ahead in pointing out only flaws and spreading negativity. And some folks watch only to whine and Idk why they are watching stuff that doesn't give them any satisfaction or happiness 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️. If its so crap, then honestly please stop watching for your mental health.

(I wholeheartedly believe my last statement) and I actually follow it jab tak pasand aaya dekha warna Tata bye bye🤣

Originally posted by: NewAccount

Execution is not up to the mark. They need to do something. With the schedule change I hope they concentrate on execution part. Baki I hope they have something good to present.

Execution is not going to be perfect since it's been a 7 day a week telecast thank god they are back to six days but that still is a lot pressure and the pandamic is also there and they have to work with certain guidelines and restrictions as well.