Hogwarts House Cup Championship (New Thread Link pg 150) - Page 29

Originally posted by: guenhwyvar

I disagree with your decision. Most of this crap stems because you didn't mention Ravenclaw getting points first. If you recognized them, I guarantee these issues would be a non-issue. So maybe edit your original post and highlight their achievements to soothe their crying. Definitely not your fault, just the inability of the cleverest house to understand sportsmanship.

I'll try to address some of the arguments people are making (and some random ones too):

1) Time-based points are unfair.

The argument revolves around time zones. This is a baseless argument because a) you likely won't have the same rules as before (so first house to submit won't gain points next round), and b) everyone has different time zones so it's fair. The difference is how we plan and strategize to compensate for any disadvantages. We all knew there was going to be a time commitment when we signed up.

I am in the west coast. The round starts when I'm sleeping. I woke up to a chain of comments that went on and on.

2) Not revealing the bonus points is unfair.

It wouldn't make a difference whether you had knowledge or not because this information is revealed when the Round begins, not before. The rules clearly mentioned that bonus points will be given apart from those specifically mentioned. There is no need to reveal the specific details as long as you are transparent about it at the end of the round (so no allegations of favoritism, etc.).

3) They had no information of the bonus points beforehand.

Uhh no one else did either. See above. It wouldn't have made a difference. Take the bonus points for submitting names first -- Hufflepuff didn't know about it. Are we complaining? No. Why? Because in the larger scope of things - it doesn't really matter because of how random these bonus points are.

Let's say that round 2 will have something that gives 100 points. If you mention just the task, you'll have people complain that you didn't mention the value and that's unfair. If you mention the value and the task, you'll have people complain that you gave too many points, etc.. In ignorance is bliss and that definitely applies here.

If you must announce what the bonus points will be, maybe make it creative and have the team be involved. I don't think announcing the value of each task is a good idea.

For example: Let's say the bonus point will be first house to submit.

You would give a hint when the round starts:

"ho ho ho! Santa gives presents to the house who visits first."

While the two members figure out the questions, the team can work on figuring out the riddles to the bonus points. In this case, the answer is the first house that submits will get the bonus points. But it would be pretty lame to just announce the bonus points in the beginning - it takes the fun out of it because now you're just focusing on getting the bonus points rather than having it assigned to by chance.

Bonus points are not needed in the first place. Points should solely be based on the task which is given to the team and their effort. What does time have to do with it

Prefects have a life outside IF too, they cant be sitting here 24/7 waiting for the task to be announced so they can gather their members and send answers faster than the others.

Then everyone would be focusing on gaining the bonus points, rather than the task of the round

Originally posted by: Nahiiinnn

Discussion doesn't always mean drama.

100% if those discussions were based on something with merits.

All I've seen is complaining because this and that is unfair because of x and y situation. That's drama, not discussion.

Guys to be fair to all here's what's happening.

Bonus points for this round on time-base are completed. No more to be awarded. The last to PM has been scrapped.

Bonus points for 100% correct and for providing most info are still there. Even an extra word like "this happened in year xyz" instead of just the answer gets you the points for most info.

Bonus points for most involved team discussion are scrapped as Gryffindors and Hufflepuffs might find that unfair since they didn't know about it.

Going forward I will announce the number of possible bonus point categories there are. Like I said earlier, these are just small wins. In the grand scheme of things they are nothing. Look at it here. You had a possible 150 points to be won from the questions. At most you would get maybe 30 points from bonuses. Next round if you have another 150 points from the actual round and only 30 from bonuses, it is next to nothing.

But nonetheless I do not plan on scraping the bonus points. Instead I will announce the number of bonus point categories and try to group them. There will be no more hidden time-based bonus points. If there are any, they will be announced with the round details.

I will also provide hints on what the next round is going forward. So the hint for round 2 is: creativity with teams working together.

Originally posted by: heavenlybliss

Bonus points are not needed in the first place. Points should solely be based on the task which is given to the team and their effort. What does time have to do with it

Prefects have a life outside IF too, they cant be sitting here 24/7 waiting for the task to be announced so they can gather their members and send answers faster than the others.

Then everyone would be focusing on gaining the bonus points, rather than the task of the round

The bonus points are a fun element that makes the game more interesting. If you don't like it, then frankly that's your problem.

If Prefects have a life, then so do everyone else. You aren't unique in that situation. Yet, we all made the time, and strategized accordingly. Once again, like Shreya said, there will be no more time bonuses, so let's stop cribbing about that already.

If people are going to be focusing on bonus points over the tasks at hand, again, that's ON THEM. Learn how to prioritize things properly.

I know I may be sounding like a btich right now, but this is honestly getting ridiculous.

Originally posted by: heavenlybliss

Bonus points are not needed in the first place. Points should solely be based on the task which is given to the team and their effort. What does time have to do with it

Prefects have a life outside IF too, they cant be sitting here 24/7 waiting for the task to be announced so they can gather their members and send answers faster than the others.

Then everyone would be focusing on gaining the bonus points, rather than the task of the round

From Minionite:

This round is the toughest as it tests your mental knowledge. There will be no need for the entire house to spend their time on this round. I expect house prefects to announce the 2 people that will be representing their houses. You can either post the names of the two members in this thread or PM them to me. Those people will receive the 10 questions that will test their mental knowledge and bring their house points.

Answers are to be PMed back to me by August 5th 11:59 PM IST. Note I only need one person from the two to send me the answers. (Just thought I would clarify.)

Green: Only the two members selected will get the questions.

Purple: Only one of the two members have to send answers.

Prefects don't have to do anything at all except make sure their house is breaking the rules, maintaining order, give suggestions, and have fun. [and maybe other important administrative tasks I'm not familiar with]

Re: "Bonus points are not needed in the first place. Points should solely be based on the task which is given to the team and their effort. What does time have to do with it"

Its random rewards to make the game more interesting.

Re: "Then everyone would be focusing on gaining the bonus points, rather than the task of the round"

As long as they are mysterious, people won't be focusing on it because it won't be the same each round. Once Minionite is convinced to reveal the bonus points at the start of the round (see thread discussions), I would absolutely agree with your statement. It's defeats the purpose of the game, which is why I believe not revealing the bonus points is of more importance. But I would argue that it would make the game more interesting because now we would be trying to predict what Minionite is thinking.

Originally posted by: guenhwyvar

I disagree with your decision. Most of this crap stems because you didn't mention Ravenclaw getting points first. If you recognized them, I guarantee these issues would be a non-issue. So maybe edit your original post and highlight their achievements to soothe their crying. Definitely not your fault, just the inability of the cleverest house to understand sportsmanship.

I'll try to address some of the arguments people are making (and some random ones too):

1) Time-based points are unfair.

The argument revolves around time zones. This is a baseless argument because a) you likely won't have the same rules as before (so first house to submit won't gain points next round), and b) everyone has different time zones so it's fair. The difference is how we plan and strategize to compensate for any disadvantages. We all knew there was going to be a time commitment when we signed up.

I am in the west coast. The round starts when I'm sleeping. I woke up to a chain of comments that went on and on.

2) Not revealing the bonus points is unfair.

It wouldn't make a difference whether you had knowledge or not because this information is revealed when the Round begins, not before. The rules clearly mentioned that bonus points will be given apart from those specifically mentioned. There is no need to reveal the specific details as long as you are transparent about it at the end of the round (so no allegations of favoritism, etc.).

3) They had no information of the bonus points beforehand.

Uhh no one else did either. See above. It wouldn't have made a difference. Take the bonus points for submitting names first -- Hufflepuff didn't know about it. Are we complaining? No. Why? Because in the larger scope of things - it doesn't really matter because of how random these bonus points are.

Let's say that round 2 will have something that gives 100 points. If you mention just the task, you'll have people complain that you didn't mention the value and that's unfair. If you mention the value and the task, you'll have people complain that you gave too many points, etc.. In ignorance is bliss and that definitely applies here.

If you must announce what the bonus points will be, maybe make it creative and have the team be involved. I don't think announcing the value of each task is a good idea.

For example: Let's say the bonus point will be first house to submit.

You would give a hint when the round starts:

"ho ho ho! Santa gives presents to the house who visits first."

While the two members figure out the questions, the team can work on figuring out the riddles to the bonus points. In this case, the answer is the first house that submits will get the bonus points. But it would be pretty lame to just announce the bonus points in the beginning - it takes the fun out of it because now you're just focusing on getting the bonus points rather than having it assigned to by chance.

@bold : just get done with your taunts already shall we ?? We just wanted transparency considering this was the first round with lot of vagueness..and yes we ravenclaws want to know why bonus points were announced like this if had already gotten too. Ideally, everything should have been announced on the results day so there would not be any fuss

1) none of us have issues with time zone hence why we selected our players based on that..we very well know its mixed time zone..we just highlighted the reason coz fast submission wasnt mentioned earlier ..well now that is counted as surprise gem so let it be..this doesnt mean we cant raise questions ?

3) lmao about huffle complaining..if our points were announced we could have seen diff reaction so pls stop with this reach

All of you now stop cribbing about ravenclaws and move on ffs.

and we have already arrived on same page with host so I dont why this hufflepuff is losing their sleep...

Originally posted by: Minionite

Guys to be fair to all here's what's happening.

Bonus points for this round on time-base are completed. No more to be awarded. The last to PM has been scrapped.

Bonus points for 100% correct and for providing most info are still there. Even an extra word like "this happened in year xyz" instead of just the answer gets you those points.

Bonus points for most involved team discussion are scrapped as Gryffindors and Hufflepuffs might find that unfair since they didn't know about it.

Going forward I will announce the number of possible bonus point categories there are. Like I said earlier, these are just small wins. In the grand scheme of things they are nothing. Look at it here. You had a possible 150 points to be won from the questions. At most you would get maybe 30 points from bonuses. Next round if you have another 150 points from the actual round and only 30 from bonuses, it is next to nothing.

But nonetheless I do not plan on scraping the bonus points. Instead I will announce the number of bonus point categories and try to group them. There will be no more hidden time-based bonus points. If there are any, they will be announced with the round details.

I will also provide hints on what the next round is going forward. So the hint for round 2 is: creativity with teams working together.

Nidhi, you owe me a siggie!😎

The only mystery to me right now is why only hufflepuff bonus points were revealed and now they are complaining about us whining boooo ? the irony ?

Everything should be announced on results day including who got bonus points ..u see more mystery more fun 🤓

At all lets just end the discussion here and be happy for each other. Shreya has provided a solution that is hopefully okay for all. Then let's accept that and move on.

This is about having fun and bonus points are fun. I don't think anyone should disagree to that. Then why this fight over them.

I'm sure no one thought they would be such a big problem, but we've all learnt. Now we just got to let it go.

At the end of the day, be happy for each other's small wins.

Originally posted by: guenhwyvar

I disagree with your decision. Most of this crap stems because you didn't mention Ravenclaw getting points first. If you recognized them, I guarantee these issues would be a non-issue. So maybe edit your original post and highlight their achievements to soothe their crying. Definitely not your fault, just the inability of the cleverest house to understand sportsmanship.

I won't comment on personal attacks. This shows who wants and starts drama.

I'll try to address some of the arguments people are making (and some random ones too):

1) Time-based points are unfair.

The argument revolves around time zones. This is a baseless argument because a) you likely won't have the same rules as before (so first house to submit won't gain points next round), and b) everyone has different time zones so it's fair. The difference is how we plan and strategize to compensate for any disadvantages. We all knew there was going to be a time commitment when we signed up.

I am in the west coast. The round starts when I'm sleeping. I woke up to a chain of comments that went on and on.

Time based is unfair because not everyone can be ready to get into the game as soon as its announced. We have work, school etc. We can't interact with our partner in other time zone , while being busy .. It was first announced that the game is not time based and requires just 2-3 hrs max per round. There was no mention of time based bonus.

2) Not revealing the bonus points is unfair.

It wouldn't make a difference whether you had knowledge or not because this information is revealed when the Round begins, not before. The rules clearly mentioned that bonus points will be given apart from those specifically mentioned. There is no need to reveal the specific details as long as you are transparent about it at the end of the round (so no allegations of favoritism, etc.).

I thought there is only one bonus per round, which is a huge thing and losing it without even knowing time is the basis. We don't care if we got bonus or not. Who knew there were 10 bonus in this round. Then one bonus doesn't matter. Transparency is required during hosting cos there can be change to manipulate scores if we all don't know how bonuses work. Am not saying that its the case with Minionite but participants with friendly relationship with her can easily have an advantage.Not saying it will happen. In case one house is losing by 10 points, easily one bonus can be added last minute to make the score equal. How are we supposed to know bonus was there from the beginning or just added last minute if we have no idea bout it.

3) They had no information of the bonus points beforehand.

Uhh no one else did either. See above. It wouldn't have made a difference. Take the bonus points for submitting names first -- Hufflepuff didn't know about it. Are we complaining? No. Why? Because in the larger scope of things - it doesn't really matter because of how random these bonus points are.

Let's say that round 2 will have something that gives 100 points. If you mention just the task, you'll have people complain that you didn't mention the value and that's unfair. If you mention the value and the task, you'll have people complain that you gave too many points, etc.. In ignorance is bliss and that definitely applies here.

If you must announce what the bonus points will be, maybe make it creative and have the team be involved. I don't think announcing the value of each task is a good idea.

Reiterating. Am not saying that its the case with Minionite but participants with friendly relationship with her can easily have an advantage.Not saying it will happen. In case one house is losing by 10 points, easily one bonus can be added last minute to make the score equal. How are we supposed to know bonus was there from the beginning or just added last minute if we have no idea bout it.

For example: Let's say the bonus point will be first house to submit.

You would give a hint when the round starts:

"ho ho ho! Santa gives presents to the house who visits first."

While the two members figure out the questions, the team can work on figuring out the riddles to the bonus points. In this case, the answer is the first house that submits will get the bonus points. But it would be pretty lame to just announce the bonus points in the beginning - it takes the fun out of it because now you're just focusing on getting the bonus points rather than having it assigned to by chance.

I mean I can blindly trust Minionite, but asking questions isn't creating drama. Bonus point is an amazing way to gain more point if its like included in the questions. She has said some questions you can gain extra points which is amazing. My point is anything announced before the round starts is fair, any blind bonus points will raise questions about manipulation in the game. N no I dont care if Ravenclaw won 10 points for first entry. Nor am I crying. Lol.