Taapsee by no means gave a solo hit - Page 10

Originally posted by: pathaka

I’m not denying queen did well but it’s no pioneer ...and what’s with undermining the rest of their efforts lol

Now the criteria becomes “young” actor breaking boundaries With a light hearted film?
What next, a young actor with a light hearted film starting with the letter q? 😂

Also Wasn’t she 27 at that time..kaheka young in her own words...😂

All the women I mentioned had the odds stacked against them...Sridevis contemporaries didn’t have the success she did with English vinglish ...much more difficult for a middle aged actor to make it

Also vidya ...was never to a petite lil pretty thing and tore the envelope with dirty picture by gaining weight and even daring to look unattractive

Priyanka played shades of grey while being the protagonist...case in point fashion aswell

All of these are risks whether u like it or not and all of them are pioneers Of female centric successful films prior to queen even being released

So no, kangana can not claim that throne of breaking barriers ...sorry 👆

I'm not undermining other actresses, just telling you the nuanced differences that exist among female centric movies too. Just cuz female centric movies have existed in the past doesn't mean they have all done the same job in cinema... that's also stereotypical to say. Even in female centric movies, the women are portrayed through the male gaze that is already so prevalent and is not easy to get away from. Dirty Picture capitalized on the male gaze despite Vidya's performance.

English Vinglish is again, an already established super star making a comeback in the movies.... that was bound to generate a buzz and it lasted because it was a great movie. It did address societal hypocrisy towards Hindi/English but it didn't pave new cinematic ways for young actresses, did it?

Fashion was a great movie, but it doesn't do much to break patriarchal barriers either.

Queen breaks that barrier, and so does Manikarnika, actually. Queen specifically breaks stereotypes regarding young Indian girls, self-discovery and many other things, and opened up new trajectories in hindi cinema. You don't have to agree though.

Originally posted by: pathaka

Now the criteria becomes “young” actor breaking boundaries With a light hearted film?
What next, a young actor with a light hearted film starting with the letter q? 😂

+1

Forget Kangana, there were female centric movies as far back as Mother India! Then there were people like Rekha with films like Umrao Jaan and Khoon Bhari Mang. Jaya Bachchan became famous for Guddi. Sridevi was the queen of female-centric movies. Madhuri had films like Raja and Kajol had Dushman. There were even smaller actresses like Urmila with films like Bhoot and Pinjar. Among Kangu-rani's contemporaries, Priyanka had Mary Kom the same year as Queen and Fashion came years before it.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

KKK-level dumbness. Kareena claimed she was the 1st pregnant actress to work. I'm equating it to Kangana's claim of being the 1st to carry a female-centric movie.

oh mujhe laga usne bola, sorry, too much to keep up with.

Originally posted by: rkisnothot

+1

Forget Kangana, there were female centric movies as far back as Mother India! Then there were people like Rekha with films like Umrao Jaan and Khoon Bhari Mang. Jaya Bachchan became famous for Guddi. Sridevi was the queen of female-centric movies. Madhuri had films like Raja and Kajol had Dushman. There were even smaller actresses like Urmila with films like Bhoot and Pinjar. Among Kangu-rani's contemporaries, Priyanka had Mary Kom the same year as Queen and Fashion came years before it.

lol even if we consider the argument of recent contemporaries ...or recent working actresses no one can claim to be a pioneer in front of tabu...

She was the one who started doing risky female centric films in this millennium to begin with ...and continued on and on for 20 years and is at the top of her game now ...

She gave hope and aspiration to the ladies so much that commercial actors like priety and kajol envied the respect she got, despite staring in blockbusters

Tabu is a great actress, but she played Shahid's mother in Haider ... which came out in 2014. Queen came out in 2013... so Tabu is not the same generation as Kangana for them to be compared next to each other. It's a case of apples and oranges even if you set aside the generation gap.

Kajol and Preity are from the same generation as Tabu, so it makes sense to compare them. Tabu's career has run in parallel cinema and she's a phenomenal actress too, but comparing her movies to Queen's revolutionary effect is just a desperate attempt to grasp at straws and drag whichever strong actress you think can "beat" Kangana in an argument.

Queen portrays a young girl's journey of self-discovery while challenging the ever present patriarchal mindset and the movie stood out in both commercial and critical realms ... it had the same superior level of acting as parallel cinema while also blowing mainstream movies out of the water.

It was a massive hit both inside and outside the usual bollywood market, it resonated with audiences all over the world and was a pathbreaker in its true sense of the word. No other actress could have done justice to that role in such a nuanced performance in a light-hearted movie that doesn't make you rock your brain while watching. Kangana herself said a lot of people approached her with similar scripts afterwards cuz bollywood mostly runs on formulaic content. Queen is an iconic movie that tugs every other Indian girl at her heartstrings. Anyone who has been through some personal tragedy can watch that movie to cheer up and feel empowered for that matter.

Movies on courtesans like Umrao Jaan, etc capitalize on actresses and their glamor, and the controversial topic of brothels. It exists, but it's not something that hits home cuz not everyone is a courtesan. And lastly, Kangana didn't have any bollywood bigwig's backing to boot. She did it all on her own, and that was another awesome feather to her cap.

Originally posted by: coldbrew

Tabu is a great actress, but she played Shahid's mother in Haider ... which came out in 2014. Queen came out in 2013... so Tabu is not the same generation as Kangana for them to be compared next to each other. It's a case of apples and oranges even if you set aside the generation gap.

Kajol and Preity are from the same generation as Tabu, so it makes sense to compare them. Tabu's career has run in parallel cinema and she's a phenomenal actress too, but comparing her movies to Queen's revolutionary effect is just a desperate attempt to grasp at straws and drag whichever strong actress you think can "beat" Kangana in an argument.

Queen portrays a young girl's journey of self-discovery while challenging the ever present patriarchal mindset and the movie stood out in both commercial and critical realms ... it had the same superior level of acting as parallel cinema while also blowing mainstream movies out of the water.

It was a massive hit both inside and outside the usual bollywood market, it resonated with audiences all over the world and was a pathbreaker in its true sense of the word. No other actress could have done justice to that role in such a nuanced performance in a light-hearted movie that doesn't make you rock your brain while watching. Kangana herself said a lot of people approached her with similar scripts afterwards cuz bollywood mostly runs on formulaic content. Queen is an iconic movie that tugs every other Indian girl at her heartstrings. Anyone who has been through some personal tragedy can watch that movie to cheer up and feel empowered for that matter.

Movies on courtesans like Umrao Jaan, etc capitalize on actresses and their glamor, and the controversial topic of brothels. It exists, but it's not something that hits home cuz not everyone is a courtesan. And lastly, Kangana didn't have any bollywood bigwig's backing to boot. She did it all on her own, and that was another awesome feather to her cap.

Oh desperate attempt is it?

What is this long as essay on the revolution of queen ? 😂 no one denied it was a success or whatever ..

yet it still does not prove kanagana pioneered anything or started anything ..

If there is anything she can claim to pioneer it is being the first actress / director of her generation

Or that she started the nepotism debate

Not that she started female centric successful films ...
Or female centric successful anti patriarchy films

Or female centric successful non skin show Anti patriarchy young films
However ridiculous the criteria 😂

The fact tat KR is putting down Taapsee shows she has some angst against her. Maybe she wants Taapsee to praise her or something but this is a new low for KR

Originally posted by: pathaka

Oh desperate attempt is it?

What is this long as essay on the revolution of queen ? 😂 no one denied it was a success or whatever ..

yet it still does not prove kanagana pioneered anything or started anything ..

If there is anything she can claim to pioneer it is being the first actress / director of her generation

Or that she started the nepotism debate

Not that she started female centric successful films ...
Or female centric successful anti patriarchy films

Or female centric successful non skin show Anti patriarchy young films
However ridiculous the criteria 😂

You seem to think that every female led movie somehow serves the same purpose in cinema ... so I had to write some to showcase the nuances that exist among female led movies too.

Queen was a turning point not just in her career but in bollywood cinema as well ... cuz a lot of people and camps were disarmed by its success unlike before. That movie, and everything she stands for... amalgamate into nothing short of a revolution. She did pioneer the art of weaving together all those tiny things of everyday life to create an impactful movie that was much more far-reaching than what it initially let on. Restrained performance in Queen is not the same as Dirty Picture's aggressive uninhibited performance that is meant to scandalize. They're both female led but they don't serve the same purpose. One is a biopic, another is an original idea that builds on real experiences of everyday life, which has led to a genre of sorts, hence, pathbreaking.

Anyway, at least you acknowledge her in other areas, so that's a good start. Maybe once the hatred wears off, you'll understand the drift of how queen was a revolution in hindi cinema.

Originally posted by: coldbrew

You seem to think that every female led movie somehow serves the same purpose in cinema ... so I had to write some to showcase the nuances that exist among female led movies too.

Queen was a turning point not just in her career but in bollywood cinema as well ... cuz a lot of people and camps were disarmed by its success unlike before. That movie, and everything she stands for... amalgamate into nothing short of a revolution. She did pioneer the art of weaving together all those tiny things of everyday life to create an impactful movie that was much more far-reaching than what it initially let on. Restrained performance in Queen is not the same as Dirty Picture's aggressive uninhibited performance that is meant to scandalize. They're both female led but they don't serve the same purpose. One is a biopic, another is an original idea that builds on real experiences of everyday life, which has led to a genre of sorts, hence, pathbreaking.

Anyway, at least you acknowledge her in other areas, so that's a good start. Maybe once the hatred wears off, you'll understand the drift of how queen was a revolution in hindi cinema.

Hatred and desperate ...sweet

*insert major eye roll*

Oh Yes the objective , just one...👍🏼

What ever let’s u sleep at night peacefully

Being a pioneer is different to being a contributor ...every female centric film dosent serve the same purpose but u can’t claim pioneer if ur building on top of what others started..

Originally posted by: pathaka

Hatred and desperate ...sweet

*insert major eye roll*

Oh Yes the objective , just one...👍🏼

What ever let’s u sleep at night peacefully

Being a pioneer is different to being a contributor ...every female centric film dosent serve the same purpose but u can’t claim pioneer if ur building on top of what others started..

Contributor 😆 You'll say anything to bring it down a notch cuz you can't stand her.

I'm saying this for the last time cuz we're going around in circles at this point, Queen was a breather from the usually nonsensical crap bollywood routinely subjects us to ... and it's much more than just a female centric movie. It also addresses the free spirited attitude of an indian girl in a foreign land who doesn't look down on western culture and neither does it portray her from a judgmental pov. It's grounded in reality, touched on a lot of elements of a daily middle-class girl and is a class apart from other female centric movies that are often unrelatable. It's pathbreaking in that sense.

If people who support Kangna can be stans in need of exorcism, what I said was also pretty tame, sorry you had to bear the brunt of team axis anyway.