Mahabharat Retelecast Discussion Thread 5 - Page 12

Originally posted by: Andy3456

Pandavas ne kya galti ki, unki bhi kahaani dikhao🙄

Duryodhan ki bhi nhi dikhaayi

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Duryodhan ki bhi nhi dikhaayi

Haa wahi. Unlogo ne kya galti kia

Originally posted by: Andy3456

Haa wahi. Unlogo ne kya galti kia

Khair Duryodhan ne to bahut si galtiyan ki thi😆

But Pandavas and Duryodhan are the Central characters unka to dikhaana hi Chahiye tha

Originally posted by: Andy3456

Today Shakuni ki kahaani 🤷🏻‍♀️

https://youtu.be/ChtDHH8V36s

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

A pratikami goes to Panchali to let her know what happened and asks her to come to dice hall.

Panchali refuses to go and sends a message to ask Yudhishtira who he lost first. There are 2 point to remember here - the legal point of what right Yudhishtira had over her after becoming a slave, and the philosophical one of what right Yudhishtira had after "losing himself" in an ethical way to call himself lord and master of all her surveyed.

Suyodhana sends the pratikami back a second time to tell Panchali to come to court and ask the question herself.

She again refuses, and says morality must prevail.

At this time, Yudhishtira sends a messenger to Panchali to ask her to come to court in once cloth, leaving her navel exposed🤢, and beg to the elders.

This time, Suyodhana sends Dusshasan as the pratikami said he was too afraid to go back to Panchali😆.

When Dusshasan arrives, Panchali tries to run to the women's quarters, but he catches her and tells her she will come to court even if she is naked because she will now "love the Kurus." Meaning sex slavery. This crucial section is always left out of shows because it paints Karna in a bad light later. By the time Panchali is dragged there, half her clothes are loosened already, her body partly exposed.

When Panchali gets to court, Bheeshma proclaims "dharma is subtle" even after seeing Panchali half-naked and blood-stained. ie, whether Yudhiushtira had a moral and/or legal right to stake anyone after he "lost himself dharmically" cannot be easily determined.

This is when Panchali says the following - "the descendants of the Bharata lineage have lost their dharma and their knowledge of the ways of kshatriyas. All the Kurus in this sabha have witnessed the transgression of thedharma of the Kurus. There is certainly no longer substance in Drona, Bhishma and in this great-souled one.205 The foremost among the elders of the Kuru lineage have chosen to ignore this terrible transgression of dharma by the king.”

THIS ^ part should make it clear she was making a philosophical argument about duties of the king and not simply a legal argument about a man staking his wife as is commonly shown in shows. She makes this same argument multiple times later to Yudhishtira, to Virat, and to Krishna.

Back and forth arguments ensues in dice hall with Vidura and Vikarna supporting Panchali, and Karna opposing. Bheeshma also opposes (once again while his granddaughter-in-law is half-naked and blood-stained in a room full of men who already stated they wanted her for a sex slave), but he keeps saying ask Yudhishtira if you want. This is when Bheema threatens to burn Yudhishtira's hands, and Arjuna stops it.

Angered by Vikarna's opposition, Karna orders Dusshasan to strip Panchali naked. Northern text says her own dharma saved her (not Krishna, not the women).

Bheeshma and Drona do not oppose this act. Only Vidura does at this point.

Karna orders Dusshasana to take Panchali to the slave quarters.

This is when Panchali switches to a purely legal point. Clearly no one in the Kuru court was willing to challenge the moral depravity of the rulers. No one understood the duties of privilege, except her and Vidura. Vikarna was only arguing the cruelty of enslaving her.

Bheeshma again says he doesn't know the answer! Remember, he has just seen her stripped naked. Kauravas are waiting to take her to slave quarters where she was expected to "love the Kurus."

"O fortunate one! The lineage into which you have been born and the one in which you are established as a daughter-in-law, never deviates from the path of dharma, regardless of the disaster that might befall. O Panchali! Since you look at dharma, even though you are suffering, it is conduct that you yourself follow. Drona and the other elders, knowledgeable in dharma, sit here with lowered heads, as if their bodies are hollow.222 It is my view that Yudhishthira is the supreme authority on the question."s

Ie, Bheeshma is saying, 1) yes, it is dharma even if you're suffering 2) as for your legal point, ask Yudhishtira.

Even after seeing his wife sexually assaulted, Yudhishtira is silent. If he said a word, she'd have been freed.

Suyodhana then asks the Pandavas if anyone will agree with what Panchali said; that Yudhishtira had no right to stake her. Keep in mind at this point he didn't offer to free her if they agreed. Bheema says Yudhishtira had every right to do what he did.

Karna taunts her and asks her to choose one from the Kaurava clan to have sex with.

‘Karna said, “There are three who can own no property—a slave, a student and a woman. O fortunate one! You are the wife of a slave and have nothing of your own. You have no lord and are like the property of slaves. Enter226 and serve us. That is the task for you in this household. O Princess! All the sons of Dhritarashtra are now your masters and not the sons of Pritha. O beautiful one! Choose another one for your husband, one who will not make you a slave through gambling. Remember the eternal rule among slaves. Sexual acts with one’s masters are never censured. Nakula, Bhimasena, Yudhishthira, Sahadeva and Arjuna have been won over. O Yajnaseni! Enter as a slave. The ones who have been won over can no longer be your husbands. Valour and virility are of no use to Partha227 now. In the middle of the sabha, he has gambled away the daughter of Drupada, the king of Panchala.”’

Bheema says something in anger.

Suyodhana exposes his thigh for Panchali to sit own. "Smiling at Radheya and tormenting Bhima, heexposed his left thigh to Droupadi, who was looking at him."232

From prior episode of Pratipa and Ganga, we know right thigh is marked for children and left for wives/concubines because apparently, that's where the male plumbing goes when they wear their dhotis. Ie, Panchali was expected to give Suyodhana a lap dance.

Vidura gives another warning.

At this time, Suyodhana (probably thinking he has won) says if any of the Pandavas agree with Panchali that Yudhishtira had no right to stake her, she'd be a free woman. THIS is when he makes the offer.

Arjuna immediately stands up and says Yudhishtira was their master until he "lost himself," afterward, who knew?

Now, Suyodhana is bound his word in open court.

Then, jackals startd howling. Jackal is also a substitute for spy several times in MBh. I'm betting the king got word either Vyasa or Krishna (or both) was on his way to Kuru court. There is a part in dice hall scene which says Krishna ran on foot to get there. It's wrongly positioned, so we assume it as interpolation. I think it merely means he heard what was going on and was rushing there.

Then, Gandhari, who was clearly present for all of it and never uttered a word against the sexual assault, tells Dhritharashtra to let Panchali go.

The king frees her and gives her a boon. Panchali asks for Yudhishtira. The king gives her a second boon, and she asks for the 4 younger Pandavas. She refuses a 3rd boon, but king returns all the winnings, anyway.

even after all this Yudi had the guts to play a 2nd dice game.

why wouldnt he just leave

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Duryodhan ki bhi nhi dikhaayi

Dussashan ki bhi nhi dikhayi😭😭

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Dussashan ki bhi nhi dikhayi😭😭

Arre nhi I am serious. I mean Pandavas and Duryodhan are the most important characters. Inka to dikhaana hi Chahiye na

Dusshashan to khair.... By the way I like Dusshashan in Star Bharat.

BRC Dusshashan looked very decent, Vinod sir par wo role bilkul suit nhi karta tha

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Arre nhi I am serious. I mean Pandavas and Duryodhan are the most important characters. Inka to dikhaana hi Chahiye na

Dusshashan to khair.... By the way I like Dusshashan in Star Bharat.

BRC Dusshashan looked very decent, Vinod sir par wo role bilkul suit nhi karta tha

Arre nhi I m joking🤣🤣sorry

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Arre nhi I m joking🤣🤣sorry

By the way did you read the discussion on Dusshashan's book, I gave the link

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

By the way did you read the discussion on Dusshashan's book, I gave the link

No , where is d link ?