Origins of Kalyavan?

Okay, so having watched the episodes involved in quelling Kalyavan, I decided to check what SB says about it. In Chapter 50, here is what I found

Originally posted by: "Srimad Bhagavatam"

Text 43:Just as the eighteenth battle was about to take place, a barbarian warrior named Kālayavana, sent by Nārada, appeared on the battlefield.

Text 44:Arriving at Mathurā, this Yavana laid siege to the city with thirty million barbarian soldiers. He had never found a human rival worth fighting, but he had heard that the Vṛṣṇis were his equals.

So SB has nothing about Kalyavan being the son of a rajarshi who wanted a boon from Shiva b'cos he was suspected as being a eunuch as the show suggested 😆 Nor is there anything there about him being born to Rambha and then adopted by the Yavana ruler. So where did Ramanand Sagar get this particular account of Kalyavan?

Another thing - where were his origins from? I've seen here both Greece and Mongolia suggested, but could it more likely be the area of Scythia? To cross the Thar desert - assuming that it existed then - it would have to be more likely that his tribe was familiar w/ desert conditions, which would be more likely if he was from Central Asia, rather than Greece.

Another thing - I found it weird that he and his people were speaking in Urdu, of all languages, since that language didn't exist until the 14th century 😆

In shree krishna serial during geeta episode shree krishna ji use qurbaan word while giving geeta gyan to arjun

Yayati has five sons yadu, puru, turvasu dhryu

From yadu they are called yadav

And from turvasu they were called yavan or bhoja

Kalvyan gotra was garg and kalvyan was bhraman so orgin of kalvyan must be given in garg samhita

Ramand sagar did not take references of shree krishna from not only from shreemaddh bhagwat but also from other sources like garg samhita, padam puran, skand puran

Originally posted by: surabhi01

Kalvyan gotra was garg and kalvyan was bhraman so orgin of kalvyan must be given in garg samhita

Ramand sagar did not take references of shree krishna from not only from shreemaddh bhagwat but also from other sources like garg samhita, padam puran, skand puran

Okay, thanks

Originally posted by: surabhi01

In shree krishna serial during geeta episode shree krishna ji use qurbaan word while giving geeta gyan to arjun

In Ramanand Sagar's Ramayan, that serial did an excellent job maintaining an authentic language, and avoiding words that didn't exist until millenia later (like using dookan for shop, instead of bazar). But in this serial, that's been thrown to the wind: I've noticed words like zamindari, kasaii, hukum, and several other urdu words used. Which is quite a disappointment

^^ That's because Ramayan was directly solely by Ramanand Sagar, who did great research in what he presented, but Shree Krishna was directly solely by him only until the Jarasandh episodes. After that, his sons took over as he was battling an illness, and we know how the younger Sagars are a little more careless with these things. 😆 That's why the latter part of Shri Krishna doesn't have the same charisma and authenticity that the earlier Krishna did.

Also, as someone mentioned, SB wasn't the only source for this show, as Lord Krishna's life has been written and expanded by several different authors, and unlike Ramayana, it's hard to get a complete picture of Krishna's life from just one source, because each author expanded on a different portion of his life.

Kalyavana being a Yavana King, descended from King Yayati through one of his other sons who had traveled far and wide after being exiled by his father, is from Vishnu Purana and Harivamsa, both of which were sources used by Ramanand Sagar for this show. SB's Kalayavana story is pretty short and bare, so it makes sense that he'd go to other sources for the complete story.

This story, from Harivamsa, does indicate that a Greek invasion took place around the Himalaya area, which is where Kalayavana hailed from. His father was King Gargya, but it's possible his mother was a Greek woman, explaining why his army consisted of "foreigners". But yes, the use of Urdu in this sequence is strange as no Mughal/Islamic invasions took place during the Dwapara yuga.

Many things are not written in sb but written in garg samhita

Like in sb they have not mention that kubja was shurpnakha in previous birth

But in garg samhita they have mentioned that kubja was shurpnakha in previous birth

Similarly in sb has not mention that putna was ratnamala ( daughter of king Bali grandson of prahlad and when ratmala saw vaman avtaar she has mothely feeling toward Lord vaman )

But in garg samhita it is mention

Why Lord krishna has got defame that he stole mani and might have killed satrajit brother because shree krishna saw moon on bhado shukla paksh on 4 th day

Lord Ganesh fell down and moon make fun of Ganesh so Lord Ganesh curse moon who will see u on 4 the day shukla paksh in bhado month will face uncesary defame

That is why no body see moon on 4 th day shukla paksh of bhado month

And these moon curse given in bhram vairat

Originally posted by: RamKiSeeta

^^ That's because Ramayan was directly solely by Ramanand Sagar, who did great research in what he presented, but Shree Krishna was directly solely by him only until the Jarasandh episodes. After that, his sons took over as he was battling an illness, and we know how the younger Sagars are a little more careless with these things. 😆 That's why the latter part of Shri Krishna doesn't have the same charisma and authenticity that the earlier Krishna did.

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This story, from Harivamsa, does indicate that a Greek invasion took place around the Himalaya area, which is where Kalayavana hailed from. His father was King Gargya, but it's possible his mother was a Greek woman, explaining why his army consisted of "foreigners". But yes, the use of Urdu in this sequence is strange as no Mughal/Islamic invasions took place during the Dwapara yuga.

RkS, thanks

But I noticed Urdu words being used even by the child Krishna & Balaram, as well as elders, like Akrura, Kansa, et al. During the early pre-Jarasandha part of the serial

I accept the foreigners premise, I just believe that there is a limit to how far they could have come. In that era, I'd put the distance at places like Persia, Scythia, Monolia and so on. Beyond that is more of a stretch

Also, do any of the texts have it that any of Jarasandha's allies knew him? Particularly Shalya (of whom I've raised a few questions)? SB has it that Narada told him that Krishna alone was his equal, which is why he invaded Mathura. Otherwise, how could he have known Shalya or Jarasandha?

Also, speaking of Ramanand Sagar, he had appearances and commentaries following the deaths of Abhimanyu, Karna and the end of the serial, so in what role was he involved in the making of the serial after his sons took over?

What language shakuni use to speak

Does he also known Sanskrit

Do people in gandhar which which lies in Afghanistan use to speak Sanskrit

Do people use to speak local language or regional language at that time or everybody speak Sanskrit at ancient times?

Yeah, Gandhara at that time was extended India. Also note that all of Gandhara was not in Afghanistan: parts of it were in Pakistan - places like Peshawar (Purushpura) and Rawalpindi (Takshashila). Those areas were ruled by Bharat's descendants for a while, before they were ousted. So yeah, they were a part of Aryavarta.

Not just them - Kambhoja was in the Pamir Mountains region - North Kashmir (Gilgit-Baltistan), Afghanistan and Tajikistan - probably going up to Kashgar.

Culturally, Aryavarta then was far larger than what India is today