Karna Vadha : The final battle between Karna & Arjuna - as it happened - Page 3

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Which means the chariot and Charioteer wasn't helping him, his best bet was getting a different chariot or fighting on foot, so chariot wheel fixing was definitely a tactic to buy time which failed because of Krishna

🤔 Maybe he didn't use Bramhastra because Arjuna would have countered it with his Bramhastra

Was Arjun around when Karna attacked Ghatochkach?? Even if he was, I don't think Arjun would have actually got into a duel since it wouldn't have been an immoral and unjust combat.

He needed Shalya as a charioteer because he was great at it, no one else could have matched the excellence of Krishna. So he couldn't have asked for another one.

Anyhow chariot wheel fixing was definitely just a strategy to kill time. But he wasn't weaponless even on ground he did try to attack Arjun on foot, but was overpowered by Arjun.

Originally posted by: .Lonewalker.

Sorry I misinterpreted your reply 😆

Karna used Agneyastra against Ghatotkacha, but that did not yield any result. Later on Ghatotkacha had Duryodhan in his hold & it was a life or death situation. I think Karna did not want to risk it with Bramhastra. What if that one failed too? Ghatotkacha was extremely powerful in night time. Where as Shakti was an infallible weapon and could chase the target. So maybe it looked more logical to use Shakti astra instead.

I think Brahmastra too has these capabilities, Brahmastra would have yielded similar results. That I guess was a blunder from his side, but then we are here sitting in our homes during lockdown and trying to analyse the things which happened 3000+ years back, they were there at the nick of their lives with little time to think, they just reacted the way they felt

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I think Karna could have arrested Yudhishtire, he had got that chance unlike the others on the field. That would have ended the war in Kauravas favour and I doubt Arjun could have actually been in a position to do much had Yudhishtir been a prisoner

According to me, this is his only Danveerta that he ever showed, although this is actually a disloyalty to his supposed best friend (oh I owe my life and everything to you) and I completely despise Karna for this but that is the only time he actually did some real charity, this action of his did help the Pandavas side, rest everything that he did was more of a ego booster/morale uplifter

Thankyou for the chariot citation. Ok so he actually didn't have the luxury of a spare chariot

Yudhistir could be an easier target for Karna. But well...his halfbaked daan to Kunti came in its way.

Even his promise to Kunti seems pointless to me.

He clearly tells Kunti that he can spare the other 4 Pandavas, but not Arjuna. He will fight Arjuna & try to kill Arjuna. Was this supposed to delight Kunti? 🤔 Arjuna was very much a dear son to Kunti, how did he think Kunti will react to this promise?

And then he promises to spare the other 4 Pandavas which includes Yudhistira & Bheema and in turn closed the door of victory for Duryodhana.

Karna's promise was like....na ghar ka na ghaatka. Neither meant to pacify Kunti nor meant to assure Duryodhan. Karna was loyal to none. Other than his obsession over Arjuna.😆

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Was Arjun around when Karna attacked Ghatochkach?? Even if he was, I don't think Arjun would have actually got into a duel since it wouldn't have been an immoral and unjust combat.

He needed Shalya as a charioteer because he was great at it, no one else could have matched the excellence of Krishna. So he couldn't have asked for another one.

Anyhow chariot wheel fixing was definitely just a strategy to kill time. But he wasn't weaponless even on ground he did try to attack Arjun on foot, but was overpowered by Arjun.

@Lonewalker @FlauntPessimism

I am saying if I give Karna benefit of doubt and consider that he was genuinely trying to get the wheel out, Even then the chariot was no use to him as you said Shalya was demoralizing him, when Shalya didn't help him with his chariot, what was he going to do after he gets the wheel out?

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I think Brahmastra too has these capabilities, Brahmastra would have yielded similar results. That I guess was a blunder from his side, but then we are here sitting in our homes during lockdown and trying to analyse the things which happened 3000+ years back, they were there at the nick of their lives with little time to react, they just reacted the way they felt

@Bold That's so true 😆😆

One question : If Bramhastra had the same capabilities, why did Karna demand Shakti astra from Indra then? I thought Shakti Astra was like a sureshot guarantee of success much like the Pashupatastra. Since Arjuna had aquired Pashupatastra, Karna wanted something of similar caliber.

Originally posted by: .Lonewalker.

Sorry I misinterpreted your reply smiley36

Karna used Agneyastra against Ghatotkacha, but that did not yield any result. Later on Ghatotkacha had Duryodhan in his hold & it was a life or death situation. I think Karna did not want to risk it with Bramhastra. What if that one failed too? Ghatotkacha was extremely powerful in night time. Where as Shakti was an infallible weapon and could chase the target. So maybe it looked more logical to use Shakti astra instead.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I think Brahmastra too has these capabilities, Brahmastra would have yielded similar results. That I guess was a blunder from his side, but then we are here sitting in our homes during lockdown and trying to analyse the things which happened 3000+ years back, they were there at the nick of their lives with little time to react, they just reacted the way they felt

Brahmastra was a destructive weapon, If Dury was with Ghato, he would have died too, was it specific?

Originally posted by: .Lonewalker.

Yudhistir could be an easier target for Karna. But well...his halfbaked daan to Kunti came in its way.

Even his promise to Kunti seems pointless to me.

He clearly tells Kunti that he can spare the other 4 Pandavas, but not Arjuna. He will fight Arjuna & try to kill Arjuna. Was this supposed to delight Kunti? 🤔 Arjuna was very much a dear son to Kunti, how did he think Kunti will react to this promise?

And then he promises to spare the other 4 Pandavas which includes Yudhistira & Bheema and in turn closed the door of victory for Duryodhana.

Karna's promise was like....na ghar ka na ghaatka. Neither meant to pacify Kunti nor meant to assure Duryodhan. Karna was loyal to none. Other than his obsession over Arjuna.😆

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Originally posted by: .Lonewalker.

@Bold That's so true 😆😆

One question : If Bramhastra had the same capabilities, why did Karna demand Shakti astra from Indra then? I thought Shakti Astra was like a sureshot guarantee of success much like the Pashupatastra. Since Arjuna had aquired Pashupatastra, Karna wanted something of similar caliber.

Arjun too had the knowledge of Brahmastra, a archer of Arjun's calibre could have countered Brahmastra and if not neutralized, a Brahmastra to Brahmastra collision could have caused greater destruction, (still he did try to use it at the end) so it was always advisable to attack Arjun by something which has no counter.

This however wasn't the case with Ghatochkach, he was a great warrior no doubt, but was definitely not an archer with top level knowledge. He didn't have the weapon to counter a Brahmastra, if not countered or neutralised, Brahmastra would have definitely been a sure shot

Originally posted by: NoraSM

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Originally posted by: NoraSM

Brahmastra was a destructive weapon, If Dury was with Ghato, he would have died too, was it specific?

I think it was specific, but you make a valid point, it could have had caused huge destruction killing Dury so probably a wise decision then