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Posted: 5 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I think Vajra was crowned as the king of Mathura at Indraprasth.

Vajra wasn't given the reign of Indraprasth

Here he is clearly called as the king of ip

This son of thy son will be the king of the Kurus. The survivor of the Yadus, Vajra, has been made a king. Parikshit will rule in Hastinapura, while the Yadava prince, Vajra, will rule in Shakraprastha. He should be protected by thee. Never set thy heart on unrighteousness


Another one


The rule of Indraprastha was given to Vajra. The widows of Akrura then desired to retire into the woods. Vajra asked them repeatedly to desist, but they did not listen to him. Rukmini, the princess of Gandhara, Saivya, Haimavati, and queen Jamvabati ascended the funeral pyre. Satyabhama and other dear wives of Krishna entered the woods, O king, resolved to set themselves to the practice of penances. They began to live on fruits and roots and pass their time in the contemplation of Hari. Going beyond the Himavat, they took up their abode in a place called Kalpa. Those men who had followed Arjuna from Dwaravati, were distributed into groups, and bestowed upon Vajra. Having done all these acts suited to the occasion, Arjuna, with eyes bathed in tears, then entered the retreat of Vyasa. There he beheld the Island-born Rishi seated at his ease

Edited by Poorabhforever - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
#12

And why can't vajra get ip ?? He was yudhishtra s grandson too. He was his daughter s son so i don't think why is it so hard to believe even he did got ip

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Posted: 5 years ago
#13

Does anyone know what happened to Panchal after death of Dhristadumya and Shikhandi?

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Posted: 5 years ago
#14

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Does anyone know what happened to Panchal after death of Dhristadumya and Shikhandi?

I have read posts on if only about how different puranas mention that satanika and his progeny revived panchala. Since the post war parvas and hapazard with many parts being lost i am inclined to believe the above. And that prakishit was probably not the sole heir

Not only satanik but all the upandavas and their progeny are said to have acquired different parts of the kingdom

Edited by Poorabhforever - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
#15

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

And why can't vajra get ip ?? He was yudhishtra s grandson too. He was his daughter s son so i don't think why is it so hard to believe even he did got ip

From what I heard vajra was the son of aniruddh (grandson of Pradyumna and thus great grandson of Rukmini and keshav)
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Posted: 5 years ago
#16

Originally posted by: Horizon566

From what I heard vajra was the son of aniruddh (grandson of Pradyumna and thus great grandson of Rukmini and keshav)

Yes but what i have heard and read vajra was suthanu and bhanu s son hence grandson to both krishna abd yudhishtra. Mb call vajra as krishna s grandson. Mb text talks reing of ip being given to vajra ( citation above ) i search but have not found anything that condraticts this. Plus harivasma mention suthanu. Vayu puran very clearly mention suthanu and bhanu being parents of vajra. And then there is another book which talks about ancient dynasties there also vajra is mentioned as son suthanu and bhanu So i am more inclined to believe this

Edited by Poorabhforever - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
#17

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark


Panchali did love him alot, so it's okay to call him Krishna's son too. In fact he is to consider the other wives of his father also as equal to his mother. Just like Nakul and Sahadev considered Kunti as their mother. So why not?


Anyway but why would they adopt him if Prativindhya existed? As in why HIM, not any other children of any other Pandav.


But Nakula and Sahdev are never called sons of Kunti. They are clearly called sons of Madri or sons of Pandu.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#18

It is clearly given in the epic that After Yudhishtir marries Draupadi pandavas did not return immediately to HP, they spent quiet a long time in Panchalas which could be six months to a year.


Then recieved IP and built it in to a magnificent city. Only then Narada turned up then Arjun proceeded for exile. Cities like the one described at the time of Narada's arrival on barren scratch land cannot be built overnight they would take 3 _ 5years


Abhimanyu was born after Arjun returned from his exile some say it was 12 years some say 12 months.

So if exile was 12 months Abhimanyu was born atleast 4 to 6 years after Yudhishtir marries Draupadi


And if they exile was 12 years then Abhimanyu was born 15 - 17 years after Yudhishtir marries Draupadi


Do note Arjun can remain without a child for a long time but Yudhishtir as a king had to have a heir. Inspite of Bhima being Yuvraj.


Also there was no modern science to tell the world whether Draupadi was barren or Yudhishtir impotent.

Image conscious Yudhishtir would not remain childless for 4 years, even less likely for 15 years.


If there was no child from Draupadi Yudhishtir would have married again.


Also the fact that there is Yudhishtir's daughter Suthanu and He has been stated as having one more wife Devika from whom he had a son Yaudheya.


Popular perception is Devika died in childbirth.


If Yudhishtir married Devika before Lakshagriha when he was made crown prince as it was protocol for crown prince and king to have a wife to officiate in ceremonies. Yaudheya was already born several years before Abhimanyu


If Yudhishtir married Devika 4-5 years after he marries Draupadi because she did not have child or even earlier as polygamy is accepted and normal for them then too Yaudheya was already born several years before Abhimanyu


If Draupadi did not have a child and Yudhishtir has a son without mother and she is not given divyadrishti for future birth of Abhimanyu then she has to adopt Yaudheya. Because he was already there.


Now only possibility exists that If Yaudheya was born before Lakshagriha, his maternal family adopted him presuming Yudhishtir also died in Lakshagriha. Adoptions are irreversible so only in that case Yaudheya gets ruled out of adoption for Draupadi.


But if Yaudheya cannot be brought back then if within the first 5 years if she had not given him a son, it would have become obvious Draupadi is barren, in which case he would have immediately married again and had a son, whom Draupadi would have had to adopt if she wanted to be queen mother.


My point Abhimanyu was born too late for Draupadi and Yudhishtir to adopt him as heir.


Even if draupadi was childless or with a daughter Suthanu, her situation was immaterial, she was a woman with no say in the matter of heirship even if she was princess of Panchalas.


Yudhishtir whether he wanted or not rules and politics of the time mandated that he have a heir as soon as he becomes King.


Prativindhya exists in the epic. He is known as Yudhishtir's son. He is said to be born to Draupadi. And there is absolutely no way Prativindhya is born after Abhimanyu. Even if he is not Draupadi's son he has to be his another wife's son, still he would be born much before Abhimanyu



Do note Abhimanyu's greatness in battlefield becomes public knowledge after his first battle in Kurukshetra. And does it even matter. Arjun was much better warrior than Yudhishtir but he was never made king for that. Both he and Yudhishtir were biological sons of Kunti. Yudhishtir became King and Arjun became commander in chief.


Till end of Kurukshetra war Krishna and Yadavas had influence on Pandavas but not so much that Yudhishtir will deny his son the throne and give it to Abhimanyu specially if Prativindhya was capable even if he was not as great as Abhimanyu


So even if Abhimanyu was adopted by Yudhishtir and Draupadi and even then Prativindhya would become king and Abhimanyu his commander in chief.

Edited by Chiillii - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
#19

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

I have read posts on if only about how different puranas mention that satanika and his progeny revived panchala. Since the post war parvas and hapazard with many parts being lost i am inclined to believe the above. And that prakishit was probably not the sole heir

Not only satanik but all the upandavas and their progeny are said to have acquired different parts of the kingdom


Thanks

Is there any thing I can read about panchal after war?

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Posted: 5 years ago
#20

Originally posted by: Chiillii

It is clearly given in the epic that After Yudhishtir marries Draupadi pandavas did not return immediately to HP, they spent quiet a long time in Panchalas which could be six months to a year.


Then recieved IP and built it in to a magnificent city. Only then Narada turned up then Arjun proceeded for exile. Cities like the one described at the time of Narada's arrival on barren scratch land cannot be built overnight they would take 3 _ 5years


Abhimanyu was born after Arjun returned from his exile some say it was 12 years some say 12 months.

So if exile was 12 months Abhimanyu was born atleast 4 to 6 years after Yudhishtir marries Draupadi


And if they exile was 12 years then Abhimanyu was born 15 - 17 years after Yudhishtir marries Draupadi


Do note Arjun can remain without a child for a long time but Yudhishtir as a king had to have a heir. Inspite of Bhima being Yuvraj.


Also there was no modern science to tell the world whether Draupadi was barren or Yudhishtir impotent.

Image conscious Yudhishtir would not remain childless for 4 years, even less likely for 15 years.


If there was no child from Draupadi Yudhishtir would have married again.


Also the fact that there is Yudhishtir's daughter Suthanu and He has been stated as having one more wife Devika from whom he had a son Yaudheya.


Popular perception is Devika died in childbirth.


If Yudhishtir married Devika before Lakshagriha when he was made crown prince as it was protocol for crown prince and king to have a wife to officiate in ceremonies. Yaudheya was already born several years before Abhimanyu


If Yudhishtir married Devika 4-5 years after he marries Draupadi because she did not have child or even earlier as polygamy is accepted and normal for them then too Yaudheya was already born several years before Abhimanyu


If Draupadi did not have a child and Yudhishtir has a son without mother and she is not given divyadrishti for future birth of Abhimanyu then she has to adopt Yaudheya. Because he was already there.


Now only possibility exists that If Yaudheya was born before Lakshagriha, his maternal family adopted him presuming Yudhishtir also died in Lakshagriha. Adoptions are irreversible so only in that case Yaudheya gets ruled out of adoption for Draupadi.


But if Yaudheya cannot be brought back then if within the first 5 years if she had not given him a son, it would have become obvious Draupadi is barren, in which case he would have immediately married again and had a son, whom Draupadi would have had to adopt if she wanted to be queen mother.


My point Abhimanyu was born too late for Draupadi and Yudhishtir to adopt him as heir.


Even if draupadi was childless or with a daughter Suthanu, her situation was immaterial, she was a woman with no say in the matter of heirship even if she was princess of Panchalas.


Yudhishtir whether he wanted or not rules and politics of the time mandated that he have a heir as soon as he becomes King.


Prativindhya exists in the epic. He is known as Yudhishtir's son. He is said to be born to Draupadi. And there is absolutely no way Prativindhya is born after Abhimanyu. Even if he is not Draupadi's son he has to be his another wife's son, still he would be born much before Abhimanyu



Do note Abhimanyu's greatness in battlefield becomes public knowledge after his first battle in Kurukshetra. And does it even matter. Arjun was much better warrior than Yudhishtir but he was never made king for that. Both he and Yudhishtir were biological sons of Kunti. Yudhishtir became King and Arjun became commander in chief.


Till end of Kurukshetra war Krishna and Yadavas had influence on Pandavas but not so much that Yudhishtir will deny his son the throne and give it to Abhimanyu specially if Prativindhya was capable even if he was not as great as Abhimanyu


So even if Abhimanyu was adopted by Yudhishtir and Draupadi and even then Prativindhya would become king and Abhimanyu his commander in chief.

Or maybe yudhishtr divided his kingdom among all his grandson that way abhimanyu prativindhya suthanu other upandavas descendants get their share. I mean vajra did got ip

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