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Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

I wasn't talking about you or this post specifically. A spate of MBh based books have claimed Karna wasn't all that. I'm confused by that argument TBH. If Karna was a weak warrior, well what exactly did Arjuna achieve in the Kurukshetra war except slaughter common soldiers?

I don't understand it too, Karna is a quite extreme character, there's consensus for Arjun, Bheema, Drona, almost everyone considers them a good warrior but Karna is either someone who could defeat everyone or someone who didn't do anything

This extreme reactions make me feel, there's a huge list of contradiction in script when it comes to Karna

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

I wasn't talking about you or this post specifically. A spate of MBh based books have claimed Karna wasn't all that. I'm confused by that argument TBH. If Karna was a weak warrior, well what exactly did Arjuna achieve in the Kurukshetra war except slaughter common soldiers?

I do not like Arjun very much, Karna most here know my feelings about him, but anyway absence of Karna doesn't reduce the importance of Arjun

Saying that I do feel Karna was a very important part of the war all together. Things wouldn't have been even similar to what they were in the absence of Karna

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

well Arjun killed Bheeshm (I remember our Shikhandi discussion but at least on papers) Arjun killed the biggest warrior from Kaurav side.

I do not like Arjun very much, Karna most here know my feelings about him, but anyway absence of Karna doesn't reduce the importance of Arjun

Saying that I do feel Karna was a very important part of the war all together. Things wouldn't have been even similar to what they were in the absence of Karna

Karna was the force behind Duryodhana is the answer to my post 😋

Now, Let's remove following from the epic -

1 Dusashan

2 Vidur

3 Keechak

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Originally posted by: NoraSM

I don't understand it too, Karna is a quite extreme character, there's consensus for Arjun, Bheema, Drona, almost everyone considers them a good warrior but Karna is either someone who could defeat everyone or someone who didn't do anything

This extreme reactions make me feel, there's a huge list of contradiction in script when it comes to Karna

I don't think so

From what I see is that Karna continued to practice and improved himself after every preceding war. The Karna of Mahabharata war isn't the same as the Karna we met in Rangbhumi

He lost to Bheem during Rajsuya despite having his Kawatch kundal intact, but on day 14 even without those it was mainly a stalemate kind of situation with him and at the end it was Karna who took slight lead and was in a position to kill Bheem, which he definitely didn't do. And point to notice here they didn't only combat by bow and arrow, but also by mace and javelin

Even with Abhimanyu it wasn't a pure defeat, they were having a good battle among themselves, Abhimanyu was a favourite during that war but Karna wasn't in a defeating position. He managed to cut the string of the bow of Abhimanyu. Definitely everyone else joined then and rest is history

He was afraid and ran for his life (despite having his Kawatch kundal) during the war with Gandhavas but during Virat war he didn't do that and fought hunt vwith valour although he was easily defeated by Arjun. In Mahabharata however, he gave good competition to Arjun. He might have lost and died, but this definitely wasn't a easy give away or an easy defeat and this was after the had lost Kawatch kundal and knew that Arjun was his younger brother

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Karna was the force behind Duryodhana is the answer to my post 😋

Now, Let's remove following from the epic -

1 Dusashan

2 Vidur

3 Keechak

Add more

Keechak I think was relevant to the epic, it was his murder that gave Duryodhan an idea that Pandavas might be in Matasya desh hence the entire Virat war happened when Duryodhan saw Brihanlalla and claimed of having found Pandavas during Agyatwaas.

Hadn't it been for him, Duryodhan wouldn't be able to find any clue for them and hence wouldn't have any point for not returning Indraprasth

Will there be any difference if we remove Nakul and Sahdev.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Will there be any difference if we remove Nakul and Sahdev.

Then Yudhishtir wouldn't have got the chance to prove himself great by saving Nakul over Bheem Arjun during Yaksha Prashna

Aside someone needed to kill Shakuni.

Khair more importantly I don't remember where it is exactly Mentioned (will check and update), but I read that the five villages that Pandavas had asked for during Shanti Parva were decided upon by Sahdev. He wasn't actually ready for being satisfied with small villages, yet wanted the Pandavas to look great by trying to avoid the war as much possible.

He therefore selected the five most strategically important villages, losing the ownership of whose for Kauravas would have meant forever threat to Hastinapur, so that Kauravas reject the Shanti prastav

Okay, saw your updated question, so answering on Dushashan, Vidura and Keechak

Dushashan - if he wasn't around, Duryodhan would have had 98 other brothers to pick from to attempt to molest Draupadi, so nothing would have changed

Vidura - no difference in the story

Keechak - the Kauravas wouldn't have had any clue about where the Pandavas were, and there would have been no argument about whether they were successful in their disguise. Of course, it remains an open question whether Indraprastha would have been returned. Duryodhan could again have invited Yudhisthir to a third game of dice w/ the same conditions, ad infinitum. On what grounds would Yudi have declined?

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Will there be any difference if we remove Nakul and Sahdev.

No, Yudhisthir could easily have killed Shakuni instead. Or someone else, like Iravana, could have, just like he killed several of Shakuni's brothers

Honestly, I never got the point of Pandu's marriage to Madri. Did nothing for either him nor his sons: during his life, Shalya wasn't an ally, and when his sons needed him, Shalya ended up as their enemy.

Pandu should have married Gandhari instead, and Dhritarashtra should have married Madri 😈

Let's remove Shakuni from the story. Other than the game of dice, what changes?

Also, what if Draupadi was the one and only wife of the Pandavas? No Subhadra, no Hidimbi, no Uloopi...