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Posted: 5 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

You are not getting my point. I am not saying that his becoming a sage was easy. Nor am I doubting his efforts to become a Rishi


But being a Rishi and being a literate are two different things, it's not like suddenly after suddenly after having completed his Tap he got literate as well. You can become a sage by your Bhakti even if you don't know Vedas, but that's not the case here


He had to have at least basic knowledge of writing and read to have read the scriptures once he became the sage n then write the Kavya, he must have acquired that as a Shudra which wasn't possible had the Shudras been the outcaste and not given the permission to read or write by the society


At least I feel so


I do understand what you are trying to say. 😳

In those days, it was all in oral tradition na. I don't think Valmiki ever wrote down Ramayana also on a piece of paper or such.

He also invented the new style of writing, the shloka. I do not think Ramayana was dependent on any other scripture as such (yep, all the neeti and gyaan but that was common knowledge around that times: the basics of right and wrong). I think he was allowed to listen to the scriptures after he completed his penance. 😳

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Was just thinking about it. Valmiki ji was born as a Shudra and he ended up writing the first ever epic of not just India but entire world.


Was just thinking isn't it the biggest slap on the face of leftist ideologies who state that Shudras were prohibited from studying


Even the Shambhuk episode seems added one, it doesn't make sense that Ramji respects Valmiki ji for his knowledge and punishes Shambhuk for the same



I'm not sure about the caste, but it was Ratnakar - a dacoit - who was reborn as Valmiki, who then went on to write the Ramayan. But I've not read anything about Valmiki's own birth or upbringing anywhere.


The authenticity of the Shambhuka episode has always been in question, w/ some rationalizing why he was executed, and others stating that it couldn't have been there in the original Valmiki

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.



I'm not sure about the caste, but it was Ratnakar - a dacoit - who was reborn as Valmiki, who then went on to write the Ramayan. But I've not read anything about Valmiki's own birth or upbringing anywhere.


As far as I've heard/read, it wasn't a rebirth, it was within the same lifetime. He did penance until an anthill (valmeeka in Sanskrit) formed on him (WHY was this so common, idk), for which he was renamed Valmiki.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: MagadhSundari


As far as I've heard/read, it wasn't a rebirth, it was within the same lifetime. He did penance until an anthill (valmeeka in Sanskrit) formed on him (WHY was this so common, idk), for which he was renamed Valmiki.



Yeah, but wouldn't he have died as a result of those ants devouring him?

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: .Vrish.



Yeah, but wouldn't he have died as a result of those ants devouring him?

hiranyakashyap survived it so maybe not 😜


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