Science in Mahabharata - Page 8

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Considering that all Kunti's kids were by Niyog from some human in Mahabharata who do you think would be the biological father of each

Yudhishtir as I said should be Vidurji since Vidurji was Dharmic to the highest order he was considered Dharmraj swaroop on earth (Dharmaraj being the father of Yudhishtir as per the epic) Aside this will also explain why he always supported Yudhishtir's claim on throne and supported him n the Pandavas, much more than Bheeshm or both Acharyas

But wasn't Yudhishthir born in the forest? When did Kunti have the time to.. You know 😆

I think Karna is the son of a Prince of the Ikshvaku clan or the SURYA VANSHIS or Durvasa. Either. Surya Vanshi prince could have fathered him and also Kunti simply sent Karn away to his father (biological) 😆

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

But wasn't Yudhishthir born in the forest? When did Kunti have the time to.. You know 😆

I think Karna is the son of a Prince of the Ikshvaku clan or the SURYA VANSHIS or Durvasa. Either. Surya Vanshi prince could have fathered him and also Kunti simply sent Karn away to his father (biological) 😆

Hastinapur people knew where they were so Vidurji could have gone there for you know what

Karna's father could have been a Suryavanshi but sending him to his biological dad seems not possible because Adhirath was definitely not his biological father

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Hastinapur people knew where they were so Vidurji could have gone there for you know what

Karna's father could have been a Suryavanshi but sending him to his biological dad seems not possible because Adhirath was definitely not his biological father

I read something in the lines of Adhirath being an ally to Ikshvakus in some way. I am not sure of this.

Read this post: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/153229385

Vidur theory seems very interesting but is there anything that might establish this theory. I think I did read something like Vidur was the reincarnation of Yama (Dharma) in one of Pattanaik's books. I'll check.

What about Bheem and Arjun ?

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

I read something in the lines of Adhirath being an ally to Ikshvakus in some way. I am not sure of this.

Vidur theory seems very interesting but is there anything that might establish this theory. I think I did read something like Vidur was the reincarnation of Yama (Dharma) in one of Pattanaik's books. I'll check.

What about Bheem and Arjun ?

Oh is it? But I still doubt a princess would have been indulged with a charioteer.

Reincarnation thing I have never heard will check now you suggested but he being called epitome of Dharma was definitely a reality..

Arjun I would have said Bheeshm had it not been for the vow. He matched Bheeshm in capability, he was always like the favourite of Bheeshm and Bheeshm was as mighty as Indra (at least in reference) in fact Ganga too cursed Arjun to be killed by his son (as per the folklores I don't think it's there in MB) since her son Bheeshm was killed by his son.

All the points do add up, it's just the vow that is a blockage

Very interesting n hilarious discussion going on .. who k owns what happened in reality that time ......but nothing is stopping us from discussing the possibilities 🤣🤣

@CaptainSpark

Copy/pasting my prior post re: Karna's paternity.

I have a theory about it. When an adopted kid is told his mom's identity, the natural next question is "who my daddy?"

That's the one question Karna never asks.

Scattered over several places in canon northern recension is the info that Adhirath came from a land ruled by Suta kings, and he was a friend of Dhritharashtra. Now, how did he go to being charioteer? Well, Pancdu's imperial campaign takes him very close to the part of Anga which was under the rule of Suta kings. Also, Pandu was a pretty brutal warrior. We already know that Anga was under Hastinapuri control as Suyodhana gifts the territory to Karna in rangbhoomi. My best guess would be that Anga got conquered by Pandu, and Adhirath's life was spared as he was Dhritharshtra's friend.

Which also explains Karna's anger toward Pandavas and why the rangbhoomi episode went as it did with Karna getting back Anga.

Now, in another twist, Harivamsa lists the Ikshvaku dynasty. In it, Adhirath was the suta king of Anga. Remember, the Ikshavku family followed solar time and hence were called the Solar Dynasty.

Which brings me to the conclusion, Karna's Sun God daddy was probably a prince of Anga or some such. Kunti merely sent him to his father's keeping (I'm not saying it was Adhirath; could've been any of the princes). Karna ALREADY knew who his dad was. He already knew Radha was not his bio mom. His simply didn't realize Kunti was the woman who gave birth to him.

Yudhishtira: Vidur. Why? Because Vyasa says so to Yudhishtira after war.

Bheem: my bet is on Shalya, Madri's brother. I can't tell you where from because I don't remember, but he was supposed to be partial avatar of vayu.

Arjuna: Shakra. We know this.

Nakul/Sahdev: my bet is on Dhaumya. Only because as Kunti's cousin, Dhaumya could be trusted to keep his mouth shut. Same for Shalya as Bheema's father.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

I read something in the lines of Adhirath being an ally to Ikshvakus in some way. I am not sure of this.

Read this post: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/153229385

Vidur theory seems very interesting but is there anything that might establish this theory. I think I did read something like Vidur was the reincarnation of Yama (Dharma) in one of Pattanaik's books. I'll check.

What about Bheem and Arjun ?

Wow this is an interesting theory and might be true

But I still have small doubt, Magadh was a very powerful kingdom at time at par with Hastinapur and Angapradresh is just beside it, so it seems highly improbable that a king from Hastinapur won over than land from such a distance and Magadh the immidiate neighbor couldn't

The reference of AngaNaresh to Adhirath could have rather been of a later time when Karna got that kingdom, maybe he made his father the king contary to the popular belief

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Yudhishtira: Vidur. Why? Because Vyasa says so to Yudhishtira after war.

Bheem: my bet is on Shalya, Madri's brother. I can't tell you where from because I don't remember, but he was supposed to be partial avatar of vayu.

Arjuna: Shakra. We know this.

Nakul/Sahdev: my bet is on Dhaumya. Only because as Kunti's cousin, Dhaumya could be trusted to keep his mouth shut. Same for Shalya as Bheema's father.

Vyas says to Yudhishtir? Could you please elaborate

And Shakra is the Indra na of that time, so how come he is a human

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Wow this is an interesting theory and might be true

But I still have small doubt, Magadh was a very powerful kingdom at time at par with Hastinapur and Angapradresh is just beside it, so it seems highly improbable that a king from Hastinapur won over than land from such a distance and Magadh the immidiate neighbor couldn't

The reference of AngaNaresh to Adhirath could have rather been of a later time when Karna got that kingdom, maybe he made his father the king contary to the popular belief

http://mahabharata-resources.org/harivamsa/hv_1_31.html

Whole Athiratha blood line is mentioned.

Anga clearly belonged to Hastinapuri at the time of rangbhoomi as Suyodhana couldn't possibly have given it to Karna if not.