Movie u think was good, but was overall very OVER-appreciated - Page 5

Originally posted by: taniya.91

Both are timeless classics.

* If HAHK would've been saved by the STARS & music, then dil tera aashiq, released just one year before hahk would not have been a flop, having the exact same leading stars and with absolute superhit music....isn't it ?

* Hahk is a work of genius....reason being, its not a child's play to make a movie without any twists & turns and proper storyline, in a way that it entertains many generations since its original run. thats called the magic of film craft, screenplay & layered direction...

audience were/are not mad who gave the biggest historical hit of indian cinema tag to a terrible movie, just based on its star cast and good music...as I said if it would have been the case, dil tera aashiq would have been another historical hit, or atleast an alltime block buster, not a flat flop.

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So Sooraj Barjatya is a genius filmmaker 😂? Even his mommy might not go as far.

Not every film which succeeds is good, and a lot of good films flop quite badly in India. The audience preferences back then were not that sophisticated.

HAHK ain't a classic😂 anything, unless you consider cheese classic like The Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. Still, you seem quite invested in HAHK being considered that, so I won't argue further.

Originally posted by: MahanalayakKarn

So Sooraj Barjatya is a genius filmmaker 😂? Even his mommy might not go as far.

Not every film which succeeds is good, and a lot of good films flop quite badly in India. The audience preferences back then were not that sophisticated.

HAHK ain't a classic😂 anything, unless you consider cheese classic like The Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. Still, you seem quite invested in HAHK being considered that, so I won't argue further.

Genius does not only mean to direct films of satyajeet ray or shyam benegal's way.

Genius for a COMMERCIAL movie means to fully entertain the audience regardless of script/story etc with the way a film been conceptualized, executed, presented with screenplay & direction which is the toughest and most tricky thing...else every film would have been a hit, and not a huge majority of releases flops.

Sholay is also a classic.... whats so hutke or genius about it as well ? its a proper commercial pot boiler, but made in such a way that gave it that legendary status.

and as I said before, audience which made it a historical hit (almost 45% more business than ddlj) were not mad to spend so much time & money on a movie again and again (its historic as a repeated watch as well in cinemas)..... if you can, differ with all those people who gave it such an unbeatable status.

I wrote these things quite a time, dont wanna repeat it in various ways anymore... so won't be answering any such posts from anyone further talking in circles.

ciao.

Originally posted by: MahanalayakKarn

HAHK ain't a classic😂 anything, unless you consider cheese classic like The Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. Still, you seem quite invested in HAHK being considered that, so I won't argue further.

I didn't like DDLJ, couldn't even finish it but can't deny it is a classic. Similarly HAHK is also a classic whether you like it or not. That movie is what brought about the likes of KKKG and KKHH. Now KKKG is also cheesy but no one can deny that is a huge classic movie. Even white people used to watch it when I was in primary school, for curiosity as to why it was so popular.

So true! I liked KKHH and even Andhadhun, until I realized later both were over-hyped. One was after I read vigil idiot's review 😆 . and that Shriram Raghavan starts off with a bang, but loses his tempo by the time he gets to the end. He mentioned that in a 'behind the scenes' video and then I realized the end was a bit weird because the director himself had no idea where he was going, (but still executed well by his actors - which saved the movie).

Originally posted by: Shailesh_Rathi

So true! I liked KKHH and even Andhadhun, until I realized later both were over-hyped. One was after I read vigil idiot's review 😆 . and that Shriram Raghavan starts off with a bang, but loses his tempo by the time he gets to the end. He mentioned that in a 'behind the scenes' video and then I realized the end was a bit weird because the director himself had no idea where he was going, (but still executed well by his actors - which saved the movie).

The standout point for me in andhadhun was the AMBIGUITY in the end.

The rabbit story- true or false.

The rabbit head on a stick.

An open end

which left viewers confused whether he made up that rabbit story

or was it a real one

Was he actually blind

or could actually see making up the story about rabbit WATCHING that stick.

Such open ends always linger in one's psyche.

Apart from the above stated, it was a good gripping movie, but was mediocre-on-suspense-quoteint in "totality". (for me)

is koi mil gaya considered a good film?

Originally posted by: Silveraliax

I didn't like DDLJ, couldn't even finish it but can't deny it is a classic. Similarly HAHK is also a classic whether you like it or not. That movie is what brought about the likes of KKKG and KKHH. Now KKKG is also cheesy but no one can deny that is a huge classic movie. Even white people used to watch it when I was in primary school, for curiosity as to why it was so popular.

You can love cotton candy in childhood. You can still love it as adult. But no matter how many times you (generic you) proclaim it biryani, it can't become biryani.

Classics transcend time. There is nothing in HAHK that transcends time. No plot, flat characters, garish settings, juvenile filmmaking technique. The entertainment factor that was there when it released was related more to the music and the stars, and since the aura has gone from the stars and audience taste in music changed, even those factors no longer work in this day and age.

I'm not talking about arthouse cinema as classics as TM suggested. She mentioned Sholay. THAT movie was technically sound if you follow those kind of things. There was an actual plot, moral themes, character arcs. It remains a classic because of it.

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As I said b4

Why dil tera aashiq flopped one year before hahk despite having same stars and superhit music ?

You are not going deep into the complexities & delicacies of cinema.

A great movie dont even have to have a great plot...as they say film is director's medium....its not a book to read to have a solid story as the main ingredient for an A-one winner product.

So been a director's medium, the main ingredients that are required mainly are cinema.craftsmanship, layered & gripping direction with a water tight screenplay.

Those were the reasons that made Hahk such wholesome entertaining movie, with huge repeat value...

It was a beautiful flow of colors, music, small yet ever memorable moments nuances & never ending background detailing that gave it such a magical look as an overall product.

There was a reason, and more than one, and very solid reasons behind why hahk became the biggest hit hindi movie ever ... Songs and stars is a lame and incorrect reason as I said before otherwise 1993 release dil tera aashiq would have been huge blockbuster with same stars who looked as gorgeous together as in hahk and DTA music was also a big hit, all of the songs were executed so beautifully, all of them, and madz looked more electrifingly beautiful in many portions in DTA compared to hahk, especially in songs, and it was hugely promoted as well for months as the second madhuri-salman release after year 1991's biggest hit Saajan..... So, here u go

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Originally posted by: taniya.91

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As I said b4

Why dil tera aashiq flopped one year before hahk despite having same stars and superhit music ?

You are not going deep into the complexities & delicacies of cinema.

A great movie dont even have to have a great plot...as they say film is director's medium....its not a book to read to have a solid story as the main ingredient for an A-one winner product.

So been a director's medium, the main ingredients that are required mainly are cinema.craftsmanship, layered & gripping direction with a water tight screenplay.

Those were the reasons that made Hahk such wholesome entertaining movie, with huge repeat value...

It was a beautiful flow of colors, music, small yet ever memorable moments nuances & never ending background detailing that gave it such a magical look as an overall product.

There was a reason, and more than one, and very solid reasons behind why hahk became the biggest hit hindi movie ever ... Songs and stars is a lame and incorrect reason as I said before otherwise 1993 release dil tera aashiq would have been huge blockbuster with same stars who looked as gorgeous together as in hahk and DTA music was also a big hit, all of the songs were executed so beautifully, all of them, and madz looked more electrifingly beautiful in many portions in DTA compared to hahk, especially in songs, and it was hugely promoted as well for months as the second madhuri-salman release after year 1991's biggest hit Saajan..... So, here u go

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Let me see if I get what you're saying. You agree the movie has no plot, no character arc, but it's a hit, therefore it's a classic?😆 You single-handedly took out all the movies in your own list in this thread. By your criteria, they're all classics. If not you., many other someones enjoyed them enough to make them hits.

PS. Just looked up Dil Tera Ashiq. Not a single hit song. A big part of HAHK's attraction were the songs. Heck, 75% of the movie was song😆

You didn't understood.

Or maybe refused to understand.

And apart from didi tera dewar and pehla pehla pyar, no song of hahk was that big hit on audio... Dil tera ashiq have hit songs atleast 3 of them.

1992's sapne saajan ke had blockbuster music but film was a disaster.

And as far as star factor is concerned salman was at his worst phase prior to hahk with all duds in 1992 and 1993.

Madhuri was also going thru low phase as from 1988 till 1992 for 5 years she had biggest hit of each year on her credit but 1993 had film Aankhain as biggest hit of that year which broke her 5 year track record...and 1994 Anjaam turned out to be a flop unexpectedly...Madhuri was also not in her best phase prior to hahk's release

So here r the facts for u as far as stars n music is concerned.

And anyways no movie can become a historical hit due to stars n music....people made it the biggest hit of Bollywood history due to massive entertainment factor and v high repeat value...plain and simple fact.

Bye.

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