No pravachans from Mrs Funny bones?? - Page 22

Originally posted by: Zeal17

Arrey ATC left sshit i was little late wanted to ask her the significance of Mahalaya festival.

But i googled it for my knowledge purposes.

Goddess durga visits her Maika( Mother's home.. why isnt it called father's home.. so matriarchal) Anyways at her parents home, she is welcomed and prepared all her favorite dishes... On the last day of the ritual only married women participate in a special ritual called Sindhoor Khela. Where married women participate in smearing each other with sindoor on Vijayadashami.

According to commonly held belief, if a woman plays Sindur Khela by following the proper custom, she will never be widowed. Sindur Khela symbolizes the power of womanhood in protecting her husband from all evil.

Here is what baffles me... instead of celebrating women power... we are performing a ritual which is dependent on her marital ties. As unmarried, widowed or divorced are not allowed to participate. Why arent these ladies important for the society. Am i missing something.

I hope ATC will support eradicating such a regressive ritual as well.

The ritual has been criticized for being patriarchal in nature, because of the over emphasis on the married status of the goddess as well as the women.😲 Bengali Hindu girls grow up seeing the married ladies in their family participate in the playful ritual, which creates among them a sense of life being incomplete without getting married. 🤔

Critics feel that this can create a regressive impact on young women.

Oops.

That is not why Mahalaya is celebrated my misinformed wikipedia read friend. The whole Goddess Durga coming to her mother's house etc is just a symbolic gesture of how the city treats the goddess as a daughter. Mahalaya is celebrated by doing Tarpan, an offering to the Ganges to remember our lost parents, grandparents and ancestors. It is a day to remember and celebrate the life our ancestors have led by offering food and water to them. Everything else that you have copied and pasted from wikipedia are folklores.

Also yes Sindoor Khela was definitely regressive before for not being inclusive but with times everything has changed. Sindoor Khela is no longer just practiced by married women. Even unmarried women and married/unmarried men now take part in Sindoor Khela and celebrate it as Holi. And Sindoor Khela and Karwa Chauth cannot vlbe compared because unlike KC, Sindoor Khela is not a religious ritual, it is just an extended activity of the final debi boron before the visarjan of the idol. And I don't think ATC would have to support eradicating such regressive practices because it has already been eradicated to a great extent and progress is on for more. There are so many organizations working in Calcutta now who for the last five years have been working towards making the festival more inclusive by including widows, transgenders and sex workers to be a part of the Sindoor Khela festivities and the city pandals have welcomed them with open arms and now there are also pujas organized by sex workers and transgenders in Calcutta and many theme pujas bring out the hostility faced by them in their pandals. There have also been efforts to make Puja pandals accessible to the blind, making them autistic friendly and many more things to make a festival that was started in the 1600's as a regressive and non inclusive festival by the zamindars where no lower caste men and women were allowed and etc and then for it to transform over the years to the present times where it is one of the biggest festivals and roadside art installation in the country where people from all castes, religion, beliefs and what not in Calcutta and from all over India come to attend and have fun for those five days...that is how a festival should be IMO...change with times to make it less regressive and more inclusive.

But well one would only know if they actually ATTEND the festival and see the ground reality than sitting at home and copy/pasting paragraphs from wikipedia 🤷‍♂️

Originally posted by: RegressiveThug

Tu kaha mar gaya, tere forum demise ka credit Thunder light ko mil raha tha🤣

Kaise?😲

Originally posted by: RegressiveThug

Tu kaha mar gaya, tere forum demise ka credit Thunder light ko mil raha tha🤣

If this thread didnt bring him back , nothing would have ..

He is also one of those ponymo-esque Hindu hating fake liberals .. There is no way he would have let this thread go without getting a piece of it .. 😆

Originally posted by: Khai_R_Haagi

That is not why Mahalaya is celebrated my misinformed wikipedia read friend. The whole Goddess Durga coming to her mother's house etc is just a symbolic gesture of how the city treats the goddess as a daughter. Mahalaya is celebrated by doing Tarpan, an offering to the Ganges to remember our lost parents, grandparents and ancestors. It is a day to remember and celebrate the life our ancestors have led by offering food and water to them. Everything else that you have copied and pasted from wikipedia are folklores.

Also yes Sindoor Khela was definitely regressive before for not being inclusive but with times everything has changed. Sindoor Khela is no longer just practiced by married women. Even unmarried women and married/unmarried men now take part in Sindoor Khela and celebrate it as Holi. And Sindoor Khela and Karwa Chauth cannot vlbe compared because unlike KC, Sindoor Khela is not a religious ritual, it is just an extended activity of the final debi boron before the visarjan of the idol. And I don't think ATC would have to support eradicating such regressive practices because it has already been eradicated to a great extent and progress is on for more. There are so many organizations working in Calcutta now who for the last five years have been working towards making the festival more inclusive by including widows, transgenders and sex workers to be a part of the Sindoor Khela festivities and the city pandals have welcomed them with open arms and now there are also pujas organized by sex workers and transgenders in Calcutta and many theme pujas bring out the hostility faced by them in their pandals. There have also been efforts to make Puja pandals accessible to the blind, making them autistic friendly and many more things to make a festival that was started in the 1600's as a regressive and non inclusive festival by the zamindars where no lower caste men and women were allowed and etc and then for it to transform over the years to the present times where it is one of the biggest festivals and roadside art installation in the country where people from all castes, religion, beliefs and what not in Calcutta and from all over India come to attend and have fun for those five days...that is how a festival should be IMO...change with times to make it less regressive and more inclusive.

But well one would only know if they actually ATTEND the festival and see the ground reality than sitting at home and copy/pasting paragraphs from wikipedia 🤷‍♂️

Arrey bura laga kya aapke ek festival ke baare mai thoda sa negative likh diya. I am really sorry. Yes i was ill informed and very well accept my defeat.

Let me see what few things you mentioned in your post which i actually intended purposely to get in my response to a negative post. 🤣 Thanks. all things you said were what i wanted to communicate all along.

In similar way you mentioned i was trying to explain the importance of Karva Chauth which ATC didnt address even once. But carry on her BS gender discrimination throughout the thread.

1. Sindoor Khela was definitely regressive before for not being inclusive but with times everything has changed.

With times Karva Chauth has also changed its now such a beautiful festival about celebration of love and family bonding. Tried to explain with examples which again ATC didnt see.

2. because it has already been eradicated to a great extent and progress is on for more.

This is what Bi Ji,Pain-in-ur-Neck, Pro.vo.king, and myself were trying to explain to her whatever negative connotations are attached with KC can also be eradicated through education. Mind you it has to larger extent already successful.

3. make a festival that was started in the 1600's as a regressive and non inclusive festival by the zamindars

KC was originally started for good reasons ... in between itlost it roots... only need to bring awareness among people.

4. transform over the years to the present times where it is one of the biggest festivals

Exactly thanks so is KC also one of the special and celebratory festival... both festivals have some regressive threads in past. But i didnt call upon eradication of some one else festival. the key words is reform.

5. have fun for those five days...that is how a festival should be IMO...change with times to make it less regressive and more inclusive.

Thank you! The point i was making from the beginning. Make it less regressive and celebrating tradition as expression of love and having fun with your family ...

I'm obviously going to talk about the festival that I have knowledge about to clear your misconceptions about it. Ab yeh same cheez Diwali ke bare mein likhte toh main thodi kuch bolta because I don't have much clue about it since I don't celebrate like how most of the country does. Isme bura lagne ki baat kya hai, I don't own Durga Puja 😆

Originally posted by: --Pro.vo.King--

If this thread didnt bring him back , nothing would have ..

He is also one of those ponymo-esque Hindu hating fake liberals .. There is no way he would have let this thread go without getting a piece of it .. 😆

Obviously I would. Where else would I get to meet my chomu andhbhakt friends filled with hatred about everything and everyone!🤗

Originally posted by: --Pro.vo.King--

If this thread didnt bring him back , nothing would have ..

He is also one of those ponymo-esque Hindu hating fake liberals .. There is no way he would have let this thread go without getting a piece of it .. 😆

There are different type of Hindus , some have seen a different, darker side of the rituals and group-think followed in the religion and thus have grown to be critical of it - doesn't mean they hate Hindus but looking for change .. most of us wasting time on a forum like this, come from a very privileged strata, where we can throw words like "choice" and "freedom" around - these concepts are simply alien for women in many Indian households.. and like ATC mentioned, there are many places a woman gets blamed because her husband died early and she was the cause of his bad luck, it's a double-edged sword, thrusting a man's lifespan onto the power of wife's love and devotion

Originally posted by: Khai_R_Haagi

Obviously I would. Where else would I get to meet my chomu andhbhakt friends filled with hatred about everything and everyone!🤗

🤗 🤗 🤗

Well on the bright side , this thread managed to resurrect the missing anti Hindu anti national fake liberal , so at least now everyone can stop wondering about your whereabouts and unduly crediting Thunderlight for it. 😆

Originally posted by: jhopadpatti

There are different type of Hindus , some have seen a different, darker side of the rituals and group-think followed in the religion and thus have grown to be critical of it - doesn't mean they hate Hindus but looking for change .. most of us wasting time on a forum like this, come from a very privileged strata, where we can throw words like "choice" and "freedom" around - these concepts are simply alien for women in many Indian households.. and like ATC mentioned, there are many places a woman gets blamed because her husband died early and she was the cause of his bad luck, it's a double-edged sword, thrusting a man's lifespan onto the power of wife's love and devotion

And it has been mentioned hundreds of times that education is the key ( eradication/ mockery of a beautiful festival isn't ) ..

Only then will the big words like "choices" and "freedom" be truly incorporated among the suffering section of the women .. There's no call for complete eradication/mockery unless your intention wasn't to help those women to begin with , unless you were aiming / hoping for something else which you arent willing to put on record ..

I am not very good at words neither i know sugar coating.

All i tried to explain rationally what KC meant to me, my family and also going out of the way to share personal anecdotes on pubic forum.

However, i am not a religious person last time i went to temple for praying was maybe 4-5 years ago. (except going to temple for tourism purposes that would also be March 2017)

So if anyone wanna name call me religious fanatic or andhbhakt better know this fact.