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Din't watch it... Sony liv pe nahi aaya hai abhi tak... 😭

Originally posted by: kriya_12

i liked the way he explained to her , she should be truthful to him .

I liked it even more than instead of stomping off angrily he chose to be mature, turn back and explain things in a way she could understand. I saw glimpses of my old HS again.

Originally posted by: inlieu

Yesterday when HS was hurt we wrote pages after pages. Today he was in a lighter mood and we only got to page 5. 🤣

Seriously, I thought that there will be going long discussions but yahan to sab Khushi main kuch likh hi nahi rahay😂😅

It means that HS ka dukh kissi nahin dekha gaya par bohot kuch likha gaya.

Originally posted by: inlieu

I liked it even more than instead of stomping off angrily he chose to be mature, turn back and explain things in a way she could understand. I saw glimpses of my old HS again.

yup , he really put the effort as he was walking away but controlled things quite maturely at that point .

Jean - Dukh ke sab saathi, sukh mein aave naa koi🤣🤣

Hello guys aaj kya hua episode mein? Sony live pe abhi tak upload nahi hua..🤦‍♀️

Originally posted by: dusk2dawn

Hello guys aaj kya hua episode mein? Sony live pe abhi tak upload nahi hua..🤦‍♀️

Jo Gaya...I watch an hour ago in Sony Liv....

Aur aaj Mera mood na he koi b discussion krne ka...

Q k pure hafte k babal bad aaj kuch accha dekhne mila....

Hope all three sort out there issues soon....

Originally posted by: Mishti_Dahi

Jean - Dukh ke sab saathi, sukh mein aave naa koi🤣🤣

Yeah, and to top of it off when he is silent we write novels. Today he spoke so much comparatively and that too such wise words, was in almost every major scene and still we can't reach 10 pages.

Thoughts:

1. First things first, I really liked today's episode. The shaadi is officially over and we can finally get back to the true essence of PB - the emotional and complex human relationships.
   
   
2. We pick up where we left off with HS asking Babes if she spoke to Minnie. His constant persistence in asking her what they talked about is also his attempt in finding out what his Veer Balika's mood is like, and where his relationship stands with her.
   
   I'm glad Babita didn't drag this on anymore and immediately told him that it was her who had the problem with the new relationship. And it's not even a problem with him per se, but rather, as she said, it's with her. She's not used to being so close to with anyone other than Minnie so it makes sense for her to dwell in her comfort zone.
   
   She pointed that it's easier for Minnie to form new relationships, adapt to new settings etc., but it's not completely true. In some aspects, yes it could be. She's a teenager after all and they're constantly experiencing new things. So in that aspect, yes it may be easy. However, when it comes to relationships, it's not. It's not easy for her to break former ties or transform already existing ones. Friendships are a completely different category since anyone can be a friend. But more solid roles like of a father, are quite tricky and she won't be giving that place up to just anyone.
   
   But yes, it will be hard for Babita to adapt to new settings and dynamics because that's all she has known her entire life. Until eighteen, she lived with her parents and brother, then after that it was with the Khuranas. She only had two fixed settings to experience and as a result of that, she didn't have a lot of room to learn and grow independently. All that learning is happening right now at the Haveli. The divorce, creating Babita from scratch, the catering service and now this marriage - it all happened in the span of less than a year. There's a lot that she still needs to understand and learn from.
   
   When HS requested that he wants honesty from Babita, hope was ignited within me. HS is truly the more mature one in this relationship and this request reflected that. As he had said, it's not fair to use Minnie as a shield and it's not fair to lie to him. All she had to do was say that she needs a little more time and he would have understood. He would never force her to do something that she's not comfortable with. I really appreciated that he put forth this request because he made it clear to Babita as to what he expects from this relationship. Without honesty, there will be a lot of assumptions and there are high chances of them being wrong. And we're already seeing that in the case of Minnie and HS.
   
   I still think Babita is in a unique situation since she was living in the upper half of the Haveli. In real life, women don't have that choice. They are literally separated from the comforts of their family and home and have to get used to a new setting. Sleeping with someone who, yes is now your spouse, but also a stranger. Babes is extremely lucky in this case, since she has someone whom she can go to whenever she wants to ease her worries. It shouldn't be done excessively of course, but she can definitely take baby steps.
   
   HS was undoubtedly worried on two fronts: a) Minnie - what's going on with her? How is she taking this new marriage? Is she truly happy or just faking it for Babes' sake? and b) Babita - Minnie is obviously a priority to her but she had laid the stipulation that he needs to be a father to Minnie or she can never be a full wife to him. What exactly did that mean? What more does he have to do to prove that he's Minnie's father? Should he even extend those rights if Minnie doesn't want him in a fatherly capacity? What if he can never become a father to her? Then will Babita never have the fortune of being a wife?
   
   One white lie can lead to so many dangerous pathways. This is why HS was requesting for honesty so that all this unnecessary headache could have been avoided.
   
   
3. Glad they're focusing on Minnie's studies again. I hope she's able to pass her exams with good marks. She's very obviously trying to avoid going home. But that's the thing with friends, you can share everything with them but there's still a dividing line in the sense that we all have our own homes to return to. It's only natural for Minnie to gravitate towards other avenues where she can feel like home.
   
   I find Preet to be a bit obtuse when it comes to Minnie's feelings and thoughts. She was far more concerned about going home, which is completely understandable given the kind of mom she has. But I can't help but think that if Mickey was here, he would have confronted Minnie about her avoiding Babes. First the bidaai remark after the shaadi, and now her not wanting to see her own mother - that would have raised some serious red flags for him.
   
   Oh well, he's gone back to his pind right now. Let's see what happens when he comes back.
   
   
4. This Hanita scene was super cute!
   
   It really is in the little things. Handing him a towel to freshen up, picking out what clothes he'll wear for the night, making him snacks to eat when he comes back home from work - it's these small things that will help them develop their relationship into something stronger.
   
   The pride and happiness he felt when Babes clearly told him what she wanted (to wait for Minnie so that they can eat), was precious. Babita isn't hiding anymore and she doesn't need to. He doesn't expect her to come forth with all of her deepest secrets. He just wants her to feel comfortable and free to do what she wants. There shouldn't be any shame or guilt behind it.
   
   Also, HS has resorted to calling Babita, Malkin ji. 😆
   
   Also, also, can we get a shout out to Babita's new wardrobe? She's looking hella gorgeous!
   
   
5. I completely understand Babita's worried mother mode but it's also a bit much. 🤔 And it's not just with Babes. I have this exact same problem with my own mom. If we're not home by a given time, the amount of phone calls she'll make is unbelievable. And then the questions? Tauba tauba, yeh toh thanedaar ko bhi maat de de.
   
   A word of advice to all mothers: learn to give your children a little space. 😆
   
   Babes needs to learn this too. Yes, her worries are warranted in this case given the CD fiasco, and she was spot on about Minnie avoiding them; but in the future when things are settled, she's gonna have to learn how to give Minnie her own space. Her studies can be positively used to get the two women used to the idea of not being around each other all the time. But I don't like how she's using it to lie and avoid being around Babes. All these lies are going to catch up to Minnie and she's going to get in huge trouble one day.
   
   
6. The aarti that Beeji sang - is there any significance to those specific lines? I picked up on Shiv ji and with the whole Amrit Manthan analogy, I think there's a connection there. I also picked up on "ardhangani" which I believe means wife. But put together, what exactly does that verse mean?
   
   Another way to look at it can be: Beeji is singing the aarti out loud, while Dadu is quietly invested in his newspaper. Beeji is the active one, setting events in motion and is too busy with the outside world to pay much attention to Minnie (and for that matter Babes in the past). Dadu on the other hand, saw that Minnie might be disturbed (in her studies and life) but she won't say anything (just like Babes). When asked, Minnie denied being disturbed and covered up her reason for being there with yet again another lie.
   
   Minnie now has no intention of getting married, which is understandable. She's far too young to even be thinking about it and she doesn't have the maturity yet to understand all the complexities that go behind it.
   
   One interesting thing to note, she wants to get a place of her own when she grows up and take the senior citizens with her. Hanita aren't even a factor in this. HS has is his own Haveli, and I doubt he'll give that up to live elsewhere. Babes, while she'll go anywhere Minnie is, but I doubt she'll want to live with the Khuranas again. Or the Khuranas with her after what she said. A division between Hanita and the Khuranas has been created. First it was the emotional, now it's becoming physical.
   
   
7. Can I just say an angry HS, is super hot. 🤪
   
   I totally get his frustration with Minnie. Because of her lie, he had to go all the way to Preet's house and who knows what Rano said to him for showing up that late at night. Then there's also the fact that it hasn't been one full day since the marriage was completed and both maa-beti have resorted to lying. He set Babita straight but I don't think he expected this from Minnie.
   
   HS in a total protective mode right now in regards to Babita. He truly doesn't want to see her upset about anything. It's really touching that he's worrying about the slightest of her problems. A huge contrast to the way she had described Ashok in her outburst.
   
   Naeem Bi referred to Minnie as HS' daughter and HS didn't deny it. I'm glad that at least there's hope of that relationship solidifying over time.
   
   Naeem Bi is also right when she mentions Babita is expresses her pain overtly while Minnie internalizes. Given the mother-daughter's relationship, this is only but natural. If Minnie also started to express her worries, that will make Babes even more worried. We saw this in the past when they both hid the fact that they were severely short on money from each other. I thought they would have learned from that time around but I guess not. Also, Naeem Bi mumbled the difference in their expressions to herself and HS didn't pick up on it. Once again showing how he's more concerned with Babita right now because he can clearly see her worries but not with Minnie's because he can't see them right now. It goes back to Naeem Bi's question of how much does he really know his Veer Balika? He knows everything that he can see, but what about the things that he can't? What about the things that can only be felt by a parent? I don't really blame him since he doesn't know Minnie that well to be able to pick up on her little habits or what her usual behavior is like. But Babita being the mother, knows when she's acting not like Minnie.
   
   Damn HS, when he doesn't give two hoots about people, he truly means it. 😆
   
   It's easier for him to break relations with them because he doesn't have any personal relationships with them. And after learning that they treated Babita, the woman he has come to love immensely, horribly, why would he want to keep ties with them? If she doesn't want to bring the Khuranas into her new future, then why should he? Only to make her more upset and angry? That beats the whole purpose of what he's trying to accomplish with her. He wants to remove all sources of her venom, not add onto it.
   
   I freaking LOVE Naeem Bi. The mirror that she's showing him is spot on but also very telling of his character. It's very easy to tell others what to do but that much more difficult to do it yourself.
   
   There must have been HUNDREDS of times when HS wanted to speak up against his father, tell him off, kick him out and whatnot, but he didn't because he was his father after all. This is why HS respects Minnie so much. She had the courage to do what he never could - take her mother out of that hellhole, without caring about log kya kahenge. She went up against her dad when he was abusing Babita, against the Khuranas when they kept quiet and let Ashok do whatever he had wanted. Minnie did everything that HS failed to do. I guess this is why he's feeling upset as to why Minnie still wants to keep relations with them. She had left their home once, but after learning what they did to her mom, why would she still want to stay connected to them?
   
   Unknown to HS, the Khuranas are the only relations Minnie has left. Yes, those seventeen years may have been torturous for Babita, but for Minnie, she had plenty of happy moments. She got nothing but love, warmth and acceptance from them. Now, when she's in a place where she fears she's going to get none of that from Babes, it makes absolute sense that she'll go to her grandparents for it.
   
   Another point by Naeem Bi (I'm absolutely loving this woman today!) - whenever HS proclaims his identity, he always takes on his grandfather and father's. His grandfather - a person whom he has immense respect for but also someone who failed to do right by his mother. His father - a person whom he has zero respect for and is also the reason behind his mother's death. He still claims these two by name and associates his own identity with them. Minnie on the other hand, rejected the Khurana surname when she realized it was being used to own her and dictate how her life should proceed. Another striking difference in the courage between father and daughter.
   
   Naeem Bi telling HS not to pit relationships against each other is a bit true. Just because Hanita may not want to associate themselves with the Khuranas doesn't mean that Minnie needs to abide by them. She has her own equations with the Khuranas and she should get to decide who she wants to keep in her life and not. Babita kicked Ashok away to London because that was the best decision for her. But was it the best for Minnie? Did she get a say in the matter? She might not have wanted to be around him but at least with Ashok being in India, Minnie had a choice not to interact with him. By going behind her back, Babita took that choice away from her. They can't do the same with the Khuranas. If Minnie doesn't want the Khuranas in her life, then it should be her choice, not Babes and not HS'. Only Minnie.
   
   It's complicated but I sympathize with Minnie in this case. My own grandfather was not very nice to my mom. For some reason he hated her to the core and never faltered from verbally abusing her, even though she did SO MUCH for him, especially during his final years. And like Minnie, I stood up to him. Fought with him, ruined my mental health, cried for nights and days because I just couldn't understand why there was so much hatred and why anything wasn't being done by it. But despite all of the grudges I had with him, and the abuse he put my mom through, when we dropped him off at the airport, all the negativity got released in my tears. It melted away when he sought for forgiveness and I did forgive him. I guess it was a good thing too because he passed away on the flight.
   
   The point of that personal story is that relationships are VERY complicated. I don't know why but they are. Do I agree with my grandfather or the Khuranas mistreating Babes or my mom? No. Do I understand Minnie's love and desire to be around her grandparents in the absence of her parents? ABSOLUTELY YES. They're alive and around her right now. They love her A LOT and want to be with her. I say let Minnie do it. If she wants to be around them and soak in that love, then let her because that's what she needs right now. She needs a lot of love and security, so let her have it.
   
   A small thing I noticed, the last time he went to get Minnie from Naeem Bi's house, he was wearing white. Today too, he's wearing white again.
   
   
8. Interesting to see HS and Babita on opposite sides of each other even though they're united on the same topic.
   
   
   
   Dunno why I posted it, but I really liked the shot. 😳
   
   Now we have HS covering up for Minnie and Babes getting too wrapped in herself. What will the Khuranas be thinking about her and what they'll be telling Minnie about her. Minnie has taken a second seat in front of her own image and reputation again.
   
   For all her talk about wanting to move on from the past, Babes has a tough time acting upon it. Granted, it'll take her time and them living right in front of her doesn't really help either. But she needs to learn how to stop caring about what they think. This image that she created of being their "mahaan" and "adarsh" bahu needs to be shed. But she did repeat the "sach sach" so I like that she's becoming more forthcoming of her wants, desires, thoughts and feelings.
   
   Dunno if others felt this way, but HS' dialogue came with a hint of hesitant desperation (may not be the correct word). His relationship with Minnie is rocky so he can't say anything to her with full haq. And because he knows that Minnie prioritizes Babes and her feelings, he's putting forth Babes' feelings as being a reason why Minnie should listen to her. Stop seeing the Khuranas because that will make Babes happy.
   
   If Babes is happy, then Minnie will be happy and if Minnie's happy then HS will be happy. This is his goal right now so he'll do whatever it takes to make sure this happens. But the thing is that it's not necessary that the things that make Babes happy will also make Minnie happy. In fact, they may hurt her a lot. If that happens, then what will HS do?
   
   I feel like this issue today also became a point for HS to speak with Minnie. To see where she stands with him and if they're still on speaking terms.
   
   They all keep calling Minnie "samajdaar" and that she knows what's right or wrong but they keep forgetting that she's only 17 years old. She may be wise in some matters but there's still SO MUCH that she doesn't know. As she wrote in her diary, there's a lot of confusion going on in her mind and in her heart. There are a lot of answers that she doesn't have and she doesn't have the courage to go to anyone and ask them about it.
   
   It was sad to see the episode end with HS and Minnie on silent terms. Minnie didn't respond to HS' statements and when they looked at each other, there was still a lot of distance between them. HS, wanting to reach out and make things alright again. Minnie, also wanting to reach out, but choosing not to do so because she wants to give them space.
   
   
9. Precap: Minnie is taking the initiative again in making Hanita come closer. I get that Babita needs time but she can't stay in that comfort zone forever. She has to move into the new room at some point and it's better to do it now than later.
   
   I like that although it's hurting her, Minnie is taking active steps in creating that separate identity from Babita. It will do her a lot of good to her in the future. It's the same thing with Babita. It's going to be extremely scary for her, but once she gets the hang of it, she'll be the happiest wife and mother ever.