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Sylvia Madaan

@The_Trendsetter

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Posted: 6 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: Maharaani
When you are on some mission it is okay, but using everyone for your mission... not caring for anyone's emotions is not...Akash has a reason to hate her, because she came running saying "I love you"... but she did not she lied to him, played with his emotions...even played with the emotions of all by death drama and now she has no respect for her good hearted mother in law even, she ran away when she asked her to perform some wedding rituals when that the new bride is supposed to do, thern she wanted to patch up with akash for a new beginning but again ran away on dayan mission when he called her for an outing...sorry, but no one would want such a wife.

IF SHE REALLY FOCUSSED ON HER RELATIONSHIP SHE CAN GET AKASH'S LOVE AN RESPECT, BUT SHE DOES NOT CARE AND I GUESS NOW HE IS TIRED TOO.

In this context, no one wrong. Akarsh doesn't knows about Jhanvi's daayan dreams, and he doesn't bileave in all these things. So he thought that Jhanvi married him for magalsutra, but he didn't know the complete thing. Once he knows what she is going through and the reason behind her going out of her way to do all this, he will be the first one to help her. SHe also didn't wanna marry him. Till the time Nandini's true intentions didn't come out, she didn't interfere in their wedding. It was only after she knewthat Nandini didn't love AKarsh but doing the wedding for mangalsutra that she started trying to stop the wedding. She atleast respected Nandini's emotions. Jhanvi was completely wrong in all this I love you but in heart, it was genuine, she also knew it and even telling it to herself just not accepting it.

As for rituals, she did the rituals, but as soon as the mangalsutra turned red or what so ever, she ran to kill daayan because that day was puranmashi and she had to save bablu before the night ended. The wedding rituals would have been endless. Also for her not going to akarsh's surprice, she had only the time till Daayan was wounded to kill her because after that if Daayan healed, she would be more revengeful and more powerful which is quite visible now. She thought she would kill the daayan and come back but she got kidnapped, then the daayan who had healed possesed her body and she became weak. She wanted to start afresh that is why she genuinely made efforts to apologise to Akarsh. She is not shown someone who is not so vocal about her emotions. When it comes to love, she believes, love should not be something which should be said out loud in front of the world. Love for her is something which involved heart to heart talks and genuine private moments, but she apologised to Akarshi in front of everyone because that is how he sees love. He sees love to he shown fearlessly in front of the world.

Akarsh's anger again is justified because he doesn't know about what she went through in cave. Jhanvi even lied to him by telling him that she was going for shopping, so him not trusting her is understandable.

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Maharaani

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Posted: 6 years ago

#12

Janhavi has to know how to balance her emotional life and duties with her goal, else she comes across as selfish and on top of it she lies and manipulates everyone for achieving her goal..how this is not wrong...so you would say telling someone I love you and marrying them under false pretence not wrong? I FIND IT WRONG.

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Sylvia Madaan

@The_Trendsetter

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Posted: 6 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: Maharaani
Janhavi has to know how to balance her emotional life and duties with her goal, else she comes across as selfish and on top of it she lies and manipulates everyone for achieving her goal..how this is not wrong...so you would say telling someone I love you and marrying them under false pretence not wrong? I FIND IT WRONG.

It was wrong. She is very right on fighting against the daayan for others but she needs to know she needs to draw a line. She is hurting others in her fight with daayan is not right.

But she is anything but selfish because what she is going through, what she is doing has nothing to do with her. She is risking her life and her happiness to save kids. SHe could have easily went back to Delhi and lived a comfortable life. Or even stayed away from fighting daayan. It was not that daayan was harming her. Looking at her in today's episode, she didn't deserve all this. She was so helpless. She was mentally and physically completely drained. Had her family for once listened to her and not said her that she is on drugs, would she have come here? And the thing is AKarsh and Akarsh's family not believing in such superstitions is understandable and actually thats how anyone would react to all this. But Jhanvi's family have known Manvi going through all this, they have seen an example of all this. Jhanvi's family has seen Manvi having the similar dreams at some point. In their fear, they are are giving the same fate to Jhanvi.

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Miss-Behave

@Miss-Behave

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Posted: 6 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: Maharaani
Janhavi has to know how to balance her emotional life and duties with her goal, else she comes across as selfish and on top of it she lies and manipulates everyone for achieving her goal..how this is not wrong...so you would say telling someone I love you and marrying them under false pretence not wrong? I FIND IT WRONG.

Jhanvi can't be considered selfish in any way in this situation. Selfish would be if she's actually using people for her own personal gain like nandini does, but she's doing all this with the belief that all these children are in danger from the daayan and that she herself wants to save those children. Selfishness does not stem from actions, but intentions, and jhanvi's intentions are pure and selfless, however her actions are impulsive and ignorant of other's feelings and consequences. It is only her actions that are wrong to a certain extent otherwise there is nothing about her intentions that are selfish hence none of her subsequent actions can be considered selfish when it's done without selfish intentions.

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Maharaani

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Posted: 6 years ago

#15

I DISAGREE.

Playing with other's emotions and lying is full manipulation.

Okay agreed, Akash is not her ideal...then who is...family, akash, veer...who does she love and respect in her life outside her obsession...whom has she not used only for her mission...whom she has not lied to...whom she cherishes outside her dayan mission..NONE.

Why should other people be her pawns for her mission or goal?

If you do not wish relationships then you can become a hermit or can remain bachelor and spinster till death and live in a cave, then you are not responsible to respect any relationship.

THEREFORE HERMITS DO NOT MARRY AND LIVE IN CAVES AND MEDITATE UPON GOD, THEY DO NOT HAVE WIVES, ARE NOT TO RESPECT AND FULFILL ANY RELATIONSHIP.

But when you marry a person, that too lying to them that you love them, why is that their fault that you are after dayan, they want an honest relationship and it is their right.

IF JANHAVI GOES TO A CAVE, DOES TAPASYA AND ACQUIRE SUPERNATURAL POWER TO DEFEAT DAYAN, THEN IT IS OKAY, BUT LYING TO PEOPLE AND MARRYING THEM BY PRETENCE, THEN NOT DOING ANY DUTY OF WIFE IS IRRITATING AND NOT OKAY.

Do you know why the great scientist Sir Newton did not marry, because he thought he will not be able to give time to a girl and not do justice to her...when his friend asked him to marry he said that and remained single and dedicated his life to science. Now that is honourable, going after your passion without using anyone or doing injustices to anyone or depriving anyone of their right .He sacrificed family life for science.

But if you marry by planning and deceit and promise for a new beginning, it is your MORAL responsibility to abide by it...if you cant do justice to relationships...do not marry , simple. No one wants a lier who says she loves you and marries for her own plan n does not give you a damn after that.

AS I SAID LIFE IS ABOUT BALANCING YOUR DIFFERENT DUTIES, LIKE EVEN IF YOU HAVE CAREER , YOU HAVE TO GIVE TIME TO YOUR RELATIONSHIPS TOO.

She could have gone with akash for an outing, even if for 15 minutes, then she c ould go do anything, go to cave, then it would be balance.

Just your fav character, so you are not accepting the truth. Whatever her intentions are, she is taking away other people's right to information and right to a fulfilling relationship without pretence and with commitment. Thats why it is wrong.

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Miss-Behave

@Miss-Behave

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Posted: 6 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: Maharaani
I DISAGREE.
Playing with other's emotions and lying is full manipulation.

Okay agreed, Akash is not her ideal...then who is...family, akash, veer...who does she love and respect in her life outside her obsession...whom has she not used only for her mission...whom she has not lied to...whom she cherishes outside her dayan mission..NONE.

Why should other people be her pawns for her mission or goal?

If you do not wish relationships then you can become a hermit or can remain bachelor and spinster till death and live in a cave, then you are not responsible to respect any relationship.

THEREFORE HERMITS DO NOT MARRY AND LIVE IN CAVES AND MEDITATE UPON GOD, THEY DO NOT HAVE WIVES, ARE NOT TO RESPECT AND FULFILL ANY RELATIONSHIP.

But when you marry a person, that too lying to them that you love them, why is that their fault that you are after dayan, they want an honest relationship and it is their right.

IF JANHAVI GOES TO A CAVE, DOES TAPASYA AND ACQUIRE SUPERNATURAL POWER TO DEFEAT DAYAN, THEN IT IS OKAY, BUT LYING TO PEOPLE AND MARRYING THEM BY PRETENCE, THEN NOT DOING ANY DUTY OF WIFE IS IRRITATING AND NOT OKAY.

Do you know why the great scientist Sir Newton did not marry, because he thought he will not be able to give time to a girl and not do justice to her...when his friend asked him to marry he said that and remained single and dedicated his life to science. Now that is honourable, going after your passion without using anyone or doing injustices to anyone or depriving anyone of their right .He sacrificed family life for science.

But if you marry by planning and deceit and promise for a new beginning, it is your MORAL responsibility to abide by it...if you cant do justice to relationships...do not marry , simple. No one wants a lier who says she loves you and marries for her own plan n does not give you a damn after that.

AS I SAID LIFE IS ABOUT BALANCING YOUR DIFFERENT DUTIES, LIKE EVEN IF YOU HAVE CAREER , YOU HAVE TO GIVE TIME TO YOUR RELATIONSHIPS TOO.

She could have gone with akash for an outing, even if for 15 minutes, then she c ould go do anything, go to cave, then it would be balance.

Just your fav character, so you are not accepting the truth. Whatever her intentions are, she is taking away other people's right to information and right to a fulfilling relationship without pretence and with commitment. Thats why it is wrong.

@Bold in blue- This is all your opinion which not everyone will agree with, so there is no point in rejecting anybody else's opinion by labeling yours as the truth that everybody else just doesn't want to accept. That's a highly condescending comment to make of other forum members, plus you are making assumptions that jhanvi is our fave character that we are blindly defending/ justifying her without seeing her mistakes just because our views differ from yours, which you aren't accepting that we can have a different opinion from you. I can see the mistakes of every character in their actions whilst also seeing why they are doing what they do as per their emotional state/ situation.

Things can't bee seen from just one shade; i.e., black or white, but grey. Jhanvi's intentions are to do good, but in her emotions and desire to act fast she is going wrong. There's a distinction between her intentions and her actions.

And I will repeat, jhanvi's intentions are not selfish, which is what you said in one of your comments, but only her actions taken are impulsive and without much thought, hence actions aren't deemed selfish when the intention isn't. A person can have good intentions, but their actions end up having the opposite effect to what they desired. That's one of the many complexities that life poses, needing to take action as per the requirement of the situation but judging the best course.

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Sylvia Madaan

@The_Trendsetter

Dazzler

Posted: 6 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: Maharaani
I DISAGREE.
Playing with other's emotions and lying is full manipulation.

Okay agreed, Akash is not her ideal...then who is...family, akash, veer...who does she love and respect in her life outside her obsession...whom has she not used only for her mission...whom she has not lied to...whom she cherishes outside her dayan mission..NONE.

Why should other people be her pawns for her mission or goal?

If you do not wish relationships then you can become a hermit or can remain bachelor and spinster till death and live in a cave, then you are not responsible to respect any relationship.

THEREFORE HERMITS DO NOT MARRY AND LIVE IN CAVES AND MEDITATE UPON GOD, THEY DO NOT HAVE WIVES, ARE NOT TO RESPECT AND FULFILL ANY RELATIONSHIP.

But when you marry a person, that too lying to them that you love them, why is that their fault that you are after dayan, they want an honest relationship and it is their right.

IF JANHAVI GOES TO A CAVE, DOES TAPASYA AND ACQUIRE SUPERNATURAL POWER TO DEFEAT DAYAN, THEN IT IS OKAY, BUT LYING TO PEOPLE AND MARRYING THEM BY PRETENCE, THEN NOT DOING ANY DUTY OF WIFE IS IRRITATING AND NOT OKAY.

Do you know why the great scientist Sir Newton did not marry, because he thought he will not be able to give time to a girl and not do justice to her...when his friend asked him to marry he said that and remained single and dedicated his life to science. Now that is honourable, going after your passion without using anyone or doing injustices to anyone or depriving anyone of their right .He sacrificed family life for science.

But if you marry by planning and deceit and promise for a new beginning, it is your MORAL responsibility to abide by it...if you cant do justice to relationships...do not marry , simple. No one wants a lier who says she loves you and marries for her own plan n does not give you a damn after that.

AS I SAID LIFE IS ABOUT BALANCING YOUR DIFFERENT DUTIES, LIKE EVEN IF YOU HAVE CAREER , YOU HAVE TO GIVE TIME TO YOUR RELATIONSHIPS TOO.

She could have gone with akash for an outing, even if for 15 minutes, then she c ould go do anything, go to cave, then it would be balance.

Just your fav character, so you are not accepting the truth. Whatever her intentions are, she is taking away other people's right to information and right to a fulfilling relationship without pretence and with commitment. Thats why it is wrong.

She loves her family and cares about them. Simple gestures shows that, like she knowing about her dad's health even when her dad didn't tell and bringing medical aid for him when she returned from Delhi. Her anger on daayan when she got to know about her sister. Then her friends, she cares about them that is why she defended them in front of family. And she not involving Tanya or Rakesh in this daayan thing when she said she doesn't wanna involve them because she doesn't wanna put their life in danger. Veer somehow got involed because the Daayan attacked him too. Then when she saw Akarsh and workers's convo in Saturday episode and thought that Akarsh locked Veer, she ran to Veer and asked him if he was right, same when Veer was left in jungle by daayan, as soon as she did Akarsh's dressing, she ran to Veer and requested Akarsh to help them. After her marriage with Akarsh, she told Akarsh, that he has all right to punish her, as she was absolutely wrong but Veer didn't do anything. He did everything on her saying.

As for truth, she told the truth to her family but they said she is on drugs. It is not that she is lying to anyone in the family. They more or less knows about daayan thing.

The person she is lying to is Akarsh, which I think is wrong.

Her behaviour with Akarsh has been wrong many a times, specially her marrying him without his consent. But then she does love him. Her behaviour when he is close to her tells that.

Not saying that her behaviour has been always right. But as sammy said, her intentions has always been right. She is suffering like hell, putting her life in danger for unknown kids. So obviously she is nice. Even in Sunday episode, she was herself tied and in terrible condition, mentally and physically and all she was worrying about was bablu. Her fear that she had harmed Bablu was so visible. Not everyone has a heart to think about others when they themselves are suffering like hell.

Her actions has been out of desperation for saving kids which is quite understandable because she has seen Shivansh in terrible condition, her dreams are scary where she has seen daayan handing kids about fire, her few dreams have come true and her freas of other dreams too coming alive is understandable, she has seen daayan herself so she is sure that it is not just her imagination. She wants to save the kids anyhow.

Right now the only way to save kids was the mangalsutra. If it had been her going to cave and doing some tapasya, she would have done that too looking at the efforts she is making to save the kids.

The outing was not for 15 minutes. She asked Akarsh before hand and she knew it was a bussiness meeting followed by a surprise for her. She thought she would go to that cave and kill the daayan and comeback. They didn't know that there would be robbers there and she would be possessed. The thing that bothered me is that she lied. She could have just told akarsh that she has something to know about her dead sister from her jiju or something which is urgent. I don't think he would have said anything. She knew she has whole life with AKarsh and she genuinely apologised to him many times and Akarsh too forgave her seeing her sincerity. But if she didn't kill Daayan immediately when the daayan was weak and injured, the daayan would have become more powerful as her chacha said.

Edited by The_Trendsetter - 6 years ago

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Maharaani

@Maharaani

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Posted: 6 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: sammy17

@Bold in blue- This is all your opinion which not everyone will agree with, so there is no point in rejecting anybody else's opinion by labeling yours as the truth that everybody else just doesn't want to accept. That's a highly condescending comment to make of other forum members, plus you are making assumptions that jhanvi is our fave character that we are blindly defending/ justifying her without seeing her mistakes just because our views differ from yours, which you aren't accepting that we can have a different opinion from you. I can see the mistakes of every character in their actions whilst also seeing why they are doing what they do as per their emotional state/ situation.

Things can't bee seen from just one shade; i.e., black or white, but grey. Jhanvi's intentions are to do good, but in her emotions and desire to act fast she is going wrong. There's a distinction between her intentions and her actions.

And I will repeat, jhanvi's intentions are not selfish, which is what you said in one of your comments, but only her actions taken are impulsive and without much thought, hence actions aren't deemed selfish when the intention isn't. A person can have good intentions, but their actions end up having the opposite effect to what they desired. That's one of the many complexities that life poses, needing to take action as per the requirement of the situation but judging the best course.

Similarly it is only your opinion and anyone unbiased and not blind janhavi fan will disagree.

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