Reappearance of Olympias

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Thank you CVs for destroying that precious feeling I had after watching Episode 99 where Alexander bid his mother farwell. 😡 I thought Alexander (and we viewers) would never see Olympias again in the show and it made that parting very emotional for me to watch; that is also the reason why that episode is my favourite till date. I was also sad thinking about not seeing Alexander-Olympias scenes anymore because I love Sameksha's portrayal of Olympias, and love her character as much, if not more than, Alexander's (it is no secret that he ranks top on my list of favourites in this show).

Despite my admiration for the character/actress, I didn't want to see her on the show again because the pre-conquest events of Alexander's life we've seen needed to remain modular and whole without distortion. The mother-son journey and struggles to come into power were precious and I didn't want to see that sanctity ruined by fanciful plot points. That part of Alexander's life leading to him being crowned and sharing his vision with the Macedonians was rounded up beautifully with him embarking on his adventure and Olympias in tears. So I had made peace with her departure from the show and physical presence in Alexander's life. ❤️

In real life, she did not accompany him to Persia and never saw him again once he left Macedonia for his expeditions (unless I am gravely mistaken in my reading of history). It was one of the major tragedies of Alexander's life that towards the end he longed to return home and see his mother again, but that he never made it past Babylon.

Now I understand why they had that scene where she sent scribes with him in episode 99. I knew back then that it would have some meaning in future episodes, but never did I imagine this! At first, I thought that from time to time they would show her reading his letters, and that is also how she would know of his progress and eventual death. I remember commenting in a previous post that even though Olympias was no longer shown, we could still feel the impact she had left. As I've said before, "They say children will always be a part of their mothers no matter how old they become, but in this case Olympias will be a part of Alexander no matter how old and mature he becomes". I expected Alexander to keep feeling her presence and importance in his life when he is so far from her and as he achieves new heights at each stage of his "military career".

When they showed Alexander remembering his mother today through flashbacks, I expected him to betray a hint of emotion about the bond he shares with her, and how he's fulfilling the dreams both of them have seen (or at least reminisce). I even thought he might imagine his mother's spirit saying things to him and remember her guidance (as is common in TV shows).

But this? Aargh, it's ruined it for me! It has also destroyed the basis of my hypothesis on Alexander's soft corner for Sisygambis, where I had been wondering if seeing a mother figure so far from home, who was deserted by her son, softened him in a way that would be unexpected even by his aides. There is no place for Sisygambis in the show now, and maybe not even Roxana! Or maybe Olympias is going to be there for the Barise-Alexander marriage. Aargh!

What's with Alexander's rudeness to his mother? Yes, he's astute and knows she didn't just arrive there to pay him a maternal visit, but he didn't look happy to see her at all even though moments ago he was remembering her, albeit in anger at past events leading to his conquest of Persia. 😡 😡 😡

And now she's going to counsel him on how to deal with matters regarding India and even meet Puru? Didn't she know when he left Macedonia that he intended to conquer India anyway, especially after what happened with the High Priestess? But now, the CVs are being opportunistic and finding ways to have her intervene in events. 😡 I respect the fact that Alexander and Puru's mothers are very important in their lives and define who they are (more so in the case of Alexander) but that doesn't mean that the mother of the Emperor goes out to the gladiator arena to meet Puru. 🤢

Are we going to see a mother-son conflict in ideology now?????????? The only situation in which I can accept this is if they build on that tension we saw between them in earlier episodes where Alexander did not agree with her tactics. As mentioned in a previous comment, specifically when he sent a disguised warning across to his mother not to mess with Arrhidaeus because we saw not just his compassionate and fair side but also how Olympias' efforts helped him develop/show personality traits that may not always be in her favorite.

One thing I did like during their interaction though, that I could call the saving grace was Alexander's not so subtle reference to the hurt he felt when Olympia had first told him not to go to India. Back then his first reaction had been to ask her immediately if she didn't believe in his abilities and decisions (episode 94).

Today, again he said if anyone else had told him to stay away from India it wouldn't have hurt him this much. Like the last time, Olympias plays the Maleka ka hukm/ma ka hum card and this frustrates Alexander because there is still that invisible line he cannot mentally cross to go against his mother's wishes. Not without a fight at least. She raised him to become this roaring lion that cannot be tamed by anyone, not even by her. He is her creation, the sum of all her efforts thus far! Glad the CVs kept this aspect of his character intact - thank God for small mercies! Perhaps the future scenes will provide enough fodder for me to continue my analysis of this mother-son relationship. Rohit was fabulous in this scene - his eyes had the right mix of hurt, frustration, and fire as he reiterated his goal of conquering India and his belief in his ability to overcome any obstacles along the way, including differences of opinion.

And please don't tell me Alexander is going to meet Anusuya later on! 😲 I might just stop watching the show no matter how much I love Alexander (and Rohit's acting).

- A very frustrated viewer!

PS didn't the actress leave the show and start another one? Or was that a rumor?
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Well I have got a new title for the CVs.ImpactKillers.Coz they love to kill the impact of every scene and track.
One of the most crucial points in the stories about Alexander and Porus was their confrontation after the Battle of Hydaspes.
I was thinking that despite all their distortions,alterations whatsoever they wouldn't mess with this scene.
But after Alex and Puru's premature meeting in Faras the scene won't have the same impact.

Now coming to Olympias,I adore Sameksha.But I admit that this was certainly not the way I wanted her back in the show.She could have appeared in Alexander's imagination.And at the end if they did show Alexander's death they could have shown Olympias receiving the news and mourning.
But now even that won't have the same impact anymore.

Sameksha is playing Parminder in Khichdi.But I guess she is working in both the shows simultaneously.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Do u really think swastik production ke serials ka history se koi relation hota hai. Puru ki side ki story dekh lesson nhi liya, mai 2 ye soch rhi thi , aise hi puru ka attitude rha ki alexander bhediya hai, darinda hai, rakshas hai to vo din dur nhi puru Macedonia pahuch jaye Olympias se alexander ki complain karne ke liye kyunki puru koi kaam adhura nhi chodta
Maine bhi yahi soch tha ki ab Olympias ke scenes nhi hoge , i really luv Olympias , i dont mind they brought Olympias jaha frictional character ko zabardasti ki importance mili hui hai bas chale 2 har episode mai inka zabardasti ka drama dikhaye waha real characters ko importance milni hi chaiye.


Edited by deepikagupta9 - 7 years ago
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Me too! I thought Sameksha was done shooting for the show and kept wondering if she'd already shot in advance the scenes of mourning Alexander which the makers would telecast later.
I guess all that speculation was pointless.

And yes, the Alexander-Porus meeting will not set off the fireworks that many of us were so looking forward to. All I can hope is they use the "reunion" in India to show something good. Perhaps I'm just asking for too much! 😕

I do have to admit that she still looked amazing in her anger today! What a fabulous actress! I ❤️ her and Olympias' character so much!!!

Originally posted by: LawlessLawyer

Well I have got a new title for the CVs.ImpactKillers.Coz they love to kill the impact of every scene and track.

One of the most crucial points in the stories about Alexander and Porus was their confrontation after the Battle of Hydaspes.
I was thinking that despite all their distortions,alterations whatsoever they wouldn't mess with this scene.
But after Alex and Puru's premature meeting in Faras the scene won't have the same impact.

Now coming to Olympias,I adore Sameksha.But I admit that this was certainly not the way I wanted her back in the show.She could have appeared in Alexander's imagination.And at the end if they did show Alexander's death they could have shown Olympias receiving the news and mourning.
But now even that won't have the same impact anymore.

Sameksha is playing Parminder in Khichdi.But I guess she is working in both the shows simultaneously.


Edited by inlieu - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Yeah, I know... 😕

They spoiled us with great characters like Alexander, Olympias, and even Phlip! I even liked Anusuya's character, but it seems to have plateaued lately!

And now when they show these same characters involved in ridiculous plot "twists" it makes me want to stop watching so as not to taint my image of my beloved characters. 😡 Rohit's acting is too awesome though, and he is getting so much screen time these days it's like a thunderstorm after a drought. 😆 Hope they've realized that the audience wants to see more of him as a parallel lead and that he deserves more screen time.

I agree with you about Olympias. This is not the way I'd have liked to see her return to the show, but I'd rather watch her everyday than Shivdutt and Kanishk.

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Do u really think swastik production ke serials ka history se koi relation hota hai. Puru ki side ki story dekh lesson nhi liya, mai 2 ye soch rhi thi , aise hi puru ka attitude rha ki alexander bhediya hai, darinda hai, rakshas hai to vo din dur nhi puru Macedonia pahuch jaye Olympias se alexander ki complain karne ke liye kyunki puru koi kaam adhura nhi chodta

Maine bhi yahi soch tha ki ab Olympias ke scenes nhi hoge , i really luv Olympias , i dont mind they brought Olympias jaha frictional character ko zabardasti ki importance mili hui hai bas chale 2 har episode mai inka zabardasti ka drama dikhaye waha real characters ko importance milni hi chaiye.


Edited by inlieu - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Arre Indian CVS Ki apni marzi hoti h, vo Kuch bhi dikha sakte h😉😆.
But until m enjoying the show, I can tolerate such distortions.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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No, no, my dear, don't fret yourself to flinders over this! It is not worth it.

Listen, morally, Olympia is a monster. She does not flinch at doing anything, no matter how wicked it is . However, her redeeming trait, apart from her steely will and her resourcefulness, is her boundless and unconditional love for Alexander, a love so great that even her tremendous ambition on his behalf is subordinated to her desire to have him stay alive. She is not interested in her place in history, only that he should come back safe to her.

So now she has landed up in Faras to make sure that he does not flout the High Priestess' warning and her own expressly stated desire, and push off towards Bharat regardless. Any mother would do that. She has probably been bugging him about it in her letters and he must have beed dodging the issue, so she has smelt not a rat but a raccoon😉, and has come over to make sure in person that he does not play hooky and go where the gods warned him not to go.

He knows what is cooking the minute he sights her. Remember that she did not promise to write to him daily. The promise was only that he should do so. Thus any gaps in her responses while she was in transit would not have been noticeable to Alexander, and in any case time is an elastic commodity in Porus 😉. So he is exasperated and angry at being treated like a child and told not to do something.

He was even angrier and ruder when he quarrelled with her for having bewitched Arridaeus and addled his brains (not that he ever had too many of them!). That time, I felt that he had gone too far. But their relationship is like a very strong elastic band; it stretches farther than one would think it possible, but it does not break, and it rebounds as strong as ever.

Alexander's temper is all the more ruffled now because, just before Olympias arrives, when he is sharpening his sword and thinking back to his last encounter with the High Priestess, the whetstone slips and he cuts his palm. It is not explicitly stated here, but clearly that is a bad omen. He is affected by that - maybe, just maybe the old lady was right? - whence his attempt to seem extra relaxed when Hephaestion arrives.

Both these sources of exasperation put together make him blow his top. I agree fully with your take on his reference to his feeling hurt, all the more so because it is his mother blocking him. But he has to understand that no one else will lose so much as she will if anything happens to him.

Rohit was remarkably good in that scene, but Alexander is driving himself into a corner thru sheer obstinacy. See, was it not he who told his mother - when he wants to leave Macedonia for Epirus to escape the death sentence Philip has pronounced against him - that to take a leap forward, one has to take some steps back? Why then does he insist now that once Alexander has put a foot forward, he cannot withdraw it? Flexibility is the hallmark of all the great commanders, and Alexander was perhaps the greatest of them all. It is his ego that is shackling him now.

Bharat, for this Alexander, is not just another land to be conquered, it has become an all consuming obsession. Obsessions can take you to unprecedented heights, but not all obsessions are safe. This particular one has made Alexander fret far too much over a lanky Bharatiya who challenges him but whom he can crush at will, only because, in Puru, Alexander sees a Bharat that seeks to block and flout him.

Now he is going to make a cake of himself with his gladiators. 😲I only hope that after all of them have been pounded to pulp by Puru - severely damaging the image of Macedonia in the eyes of the Farsi multitudes - Alexander does not think of entering the arena himself. But I have an uneasy feeling that this is exactly what he will end up doing.😲 I cannot at all understand why he has to walk into the arena to meet Puru before the events start; which king will do that? I have absolutely no idea what is going to happen, except that I am not going to like it.

As for Olympia meeting Puru to assess him, yes, perhaps. But she would probably advise Alexander t to have him executed promptly. Na rahega baans, na bajegi bansuri. And from the purely political point of view, I would agree with her. Why Alexander does not do that, and instead insists on all this tamasha beats me, unless it is the need, that I had cited on my last thread, for him to win and to be seen winning, at all costs.

I don't see why you are fretting about Sisygambis, who is not even there. 😆 It is not as though she was feeding Alexander maa ke haath ka khana, and Olympias stormed in and threw the thali away! Actually, Olympias used to warn Alexander, in her letters, about getting too close to Sisygambis, but he naturally disregarded her admonitions. Boys will be boys! As for Roxana, that is an attraction of a very different kind, and I don't think Olympias is going to try and sideline Roxana after she appears. Aur phir Bactria to door ki baat hai; abhi is tamashe to nipat lein!😉

Alexander meeting Anusuya, now that would be something. She would probably feed him the same, bilious orange laddoos she is stuffing into that kid's mouth. 😉

I won't quit Porus even for that, for I want to see how they handle the battle of the Hydaspes. The Zhukov version or the traditional one? The Oracle of Delphi ko bhi jhutlaya nahin ja sakta, hai ki nahin? To Alexander jung ke maidan main haar nahin sakta. Maybe Puru will make an ultra long bhashan and Alexander will run away just to escape it!😆

As for Olympia (Sameeksha) 's other show, it was a splendid 65 episode series on the 1897 battle of Saragarhi. She was the wife of Havildar Ishar Singh (Mohit Raina in a magnificent performance) the leader of the 21 brave men of the 36th Sikh Regiment of the British Indian army who died facing, and holding off, about 12000 Orakzai Afghan tribesmen. The Orakzai finally took the fort of Saragarhi, in what was then British territory adjoining Afghanistan, after suffering much heavier losses themselves. So the serial was called 21 Sarfarosh: Saragarhi 1897. It aired on the newDiscovery Jeet channel. Sameeksha was superb in that little role, strong, aggressive, very supportive of her husband, and extremely intelligent. She also looked very good. But that series is over now.

OK, this should be enough to make you a bit more relaxed, or so I hope!

Shyamala Aunty


Edited by sashashyam - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I doubt if they are going to follow Alexander till his death. They will wind up with the battle of the Hydaspes, so as to avoid showing Porus as Alexander's tributary.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: inlieu

Me too! I thought Sameksha was done shooting for the show and kept wondering if she'd already shot in advance the scenes of mourning Alexander which the makers would telecast later.
I guess all that speculation was pointless.

And yes, the Alexander-Porus meeting will not set off the fireworks that many of us were so looking forward to. All I can hope is they use the "reunion" in India to show something good. Perhaps I'm just asking for too much! 😕

I do have to admit that she still looked amazing in her anger today! What a fabulous actress! I ❤️ her and Olympias' character so much!!!


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