I love this show!!!!

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Posted: 7 years ago
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This post is regarding my opinion and how I feel about the show. Those who read this can feel free to agree and disagree but again it's just my thoughts. So far, I am enjoying and loving the show. The twists and turns are intriguing, and the episodes keeps you in suspense. In the beginning I had loved both pairs and wasn't sure which one to root for because the show had just started. But as the story went along and character developments were shown; story wise it made sense for me to root for Kabir and Aanchal. More than the pairs, I love the story more. From what I've seen there are half Ranvir fans who like the grey Ranvir and the other half who don't like it. That's ok not to like a certain pair or track. It's your opinion. Not every show is perfect and there will be good and bad criticism but at the end of the day it's just a show.

Before the show started it was made aware that this would be a love triangle thriller with twists and turns. Vatsal will be playing the positive character while Zayed played the grey character. According to several of Zayed interview he had stated numerously that his character is grey, and we would love to hate him. He stated that it gets stale to play a white character all the time as well as black. Everything that is showing now is what the creators had promised before the show started. So, in my opinion, he is enjoying playing the character Ranvir. After all it is Ranvir character that is making the story interesting. The bad guy is always the strong character that makes the story interesting. So, to all Ranvir fans if some of you are not happy with grey Ranvir that's fine but at least support Zayed in it. It's been 4 years since he has been missing from the screen and he came back with this character that is strong and who Zayed love playing. If you are fans of Zayed, you would support his work even if you don't like it.

Regarding the TRP the makers and actors as well as the channel knew they were taking a risk with something different. The time slot for the show is highly competitive with the other show airing on star plus. People generally favor more Saas Bahu, mythological and historical shows right now. Plus, the channel needs to start making weekly promos of the show to. I see online TRP for the show is higher which is not surprising because people tend to watch shows more online than on television. But I feel in the end the hard work that the Haasil team has contributed to making this show will pay off sooner or later.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Hi
Here's what I think

I think makers have not shown what was promised in the first place...what was promised was a complicated story of 3 grey characters

Vatsal said that he was positive while Zayed said that he was grey

Now that is what has not happened coz Zayed is playing a negative character and not a grey one

This is where the main problem is in my opinion...If Ranvir was a grey chaacter then it would have complicated the things and made the plot ambiguous.

Most of us were hoing for a grey Ranvir...an enigmatic, complex character
...what the makers have showed is a psycho obsessive lover who can pull people which means that he is an put and out negative character

Ranvir being negative makes the plot pretty clear - AaBir love each other while Ranvir is the conflict in their story who will try to separate them.

This makes the plot predictable, we can PREDICT the end as well...AaBir will unite while Ranvir will die

Also we never got to see a grey female lead...Aanchal is as positive as it gets.

I was hoping for a grey female lead..but here Aanchal is a normal female lead

I was hoping for something as thrilling and unpredictable like movie Race but what we have got is a normal love story of AaBir with Ranvir as the main villain

Ranvir will keep plotting and AaBir will keep getting out of the mess until Aanchal will realize that she has been played by Ranvir...she will trap him in his own game and thus in the end AaBir will unite while Ranvir will die

Thrillers should be unpredictable where people Can't say for sure where the story goes and what can happen next...the ending should be unpredictable and thrilling

Here the plot is weak , character's transition is not convincing enough.

So, main problem is not only that Ranvir has been turned into a one dimensional villain but also the plot which is predictable and quite cliche in my opinion and that is why many are disappointed

Zayed is really great in the show and I love his portrayal of Ranvir and I fully support him but it is not only about him but the overall plot

Haasil started off as a promising thriller where we got 3 really intriguing and strong character but has turned out to be an age old story of a couple whom a villain tries to keep separating.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I read your reply and respect your opinion. There has been debates about whether Ranvir is grey or not. Half of the Ranvir fans thinks he is grey while others think he is a complete psycho villain. Here is why he is not psycho in my opinion. I know from his scenes with Aanchal pictures he comes off as a psycho but he is more of an obsessive lover there. His love is dangerous. When you think about it a psycho does things without thinking. If Ranvir was a psycho he wouldn't have been able to put together this genius masterplan to get married to Aanchal and keep Kabir and Aanchal apart. Only someone who is smart and calculating can pull this off. That's what Ranvir is. Here we are seeing a ruthless and cruel Ranvir. The writers say there are many layers to this character where we will see why he is what he is. Think about it Ranvir went from most loved to most hated. Again this is kudos to Zayed acting skills. His actions up to now hasn't been psycho. It's just his way of getting what he wants. With Ranvir he sets up the field, plans and then attack. This is what you call a mastermind.

And yes the plot may seem predictable, but who knows Ranvir may not die in the end. There is a lot left to uncover and see. I know judging from past episodes it may seem predictable what the end will be but there is still exciting things left to see. Like who killed Meenu and Malik, what happened to them, why Ranvir is the way he is, what's going to happen when Ranvir finds out Kabir and Aanchal know about it, Aanchal fighting back. Yes it's predictable that when Aanchal finds out about Ranvir truth she will put up a fight but all the same it's exciting to see. Every indian show has cliche plots and predictable moments. But Haasil is the closest thing right now we have to good indian tv show. WHich is why I love it.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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There is a thin line between grey and black
Psycho are often very intelligent people...Ranvir is obsessive and can physically hurt Aanchal...that is what makes him negative and not grey

Grey is when he could use manipulation but never physically harm Aanchal or Kabir...grey characters never cross a certain limit which Ranvir has done

Grey characters will not murder someone...I will not be surprised if makers show that he will murder people in name of love

Ranvir could have been an intelligent, manipulative man...there was no need to show him as an obsessive lover.

Aanchal trapping him is not something exciting at least for me coz we all know that is going to happen and thst is why for me it is not thrilling


Thrilling would have been if all 3 were playing a game against each tight..if Aanchal was the mastermind who trapped both bros...or any other twist

But here we are already sure what Aanchal , Kabir and Ranvir are...coz if which there is no scope of unpredictability

If this was a movie or a series then we would have know the entire story in mere hours or few epis

But since this is a finite series of 100 plus epis hence makers should have kept in mind that twists and turns should keep coming.

Here we already know what is going to happen

I am sure that Sarika is Ranvir's mom

The problem is there might be few sub plots which are yet to be revealed but overall the plot is quite predictable

If makers could show that Kabir trapped Ranvir in Meenu case and re-opened Dharamchand case he knew that Ranvir loved Aanchal since the beginning and even Kabir was playing a game with Ranvir then that would be a twist

But again we know Vatsal is positive so again this is not going to happen

I think Sarika murdered Dharamchand coz he trapped Ranvir or maybe makers will show that Ranvir indeed killed Meenu.

And they may show that Jatin opened the Dharamchand case

I am not sure if I should expect some major twist from the makers since they have pretty much confirmed thst Ranvir is a mere conflict that AaBir have to overcome.

Haasil promised to be different...people like me had really high hopes from the makers...I thought I will see something pathbreaking and unique...but what i have got is a predictable plot...Haasil could have been extraordinary but ended up being ordinary like many other shows...it didn't live up to my expectations at least...I was hoping for so much more

Haasil really had so much potential than being a story of a villain and a couple..at least this is what I think ...also Ranvir Can't be termed grey in my opinion ..he is negative.


Edited by anshvi - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: anshvi

There is a thin line between grey and black

Psycho are often very intelligent people...Ranvir is obsessive and can physically hurt Aanchal...that is what makes him negative and not grey

Grey is when he could use manipulation but never physically harm Aanchal or Kabir...grey characters never cross a certain limit which Ranvir has done

Grey characters will not murder someone...I will not be surprised if makers show that he will murder people in name of love

Ranvir could have been an intelligent, manipulative man...there was no need to show him as an obsessive lover.

Aanchal trapping him is not something exciting at least for me coz we all know that is going to happen and thst is why for me it is not thrilling


Thrilling would have been if all 3 were playing a game against each tight..if Aanchal was the mastermind who trapped both bros...or any other twist

But here we are already sure what Aanchal , Kabir and Ranvir are...coz if which there is no scope of unpredictability

If this was a movie or a series then we would have know the entire story in mere hours or few epis

But since this is a finite series of 100 plus epis hence makers should have kept in mind that twists and turns should keep coming.

Here we already know what is going to happen

I am sure that Sarika is Ranvir's mom

The problem is there might be few sub plots which are yet to be revealed but overall the plot is quite predictable

If makers could show that Kabir trapped Ranvir in Meenu case and re-opened Dharamchand case he knew that Ranvir loved Aanchal since the beginning and even Kabir was playing a game with Ranvir then that would be a twist

But again we know Vatsal is positive so again this is not going to happen

I think Sarika murdered Dharamchand coz he trapped Ranvir or maybe makers will show that Ranvir indeed killed Meenu.

And they may show that Jatin opened the Dharamchand case

I am not sure if I should expect some major twist from the makers since they have pretty much confirmed thst Ranvir is a mere conflict that AaBir have to overcome.

Haasil promised to be different...people like me had really high hopes from the makers...I thought I will see something pathbreaking and unique...but what i have got is a predictable plot...Haasil could have been extraordinary but ended up being ordinary like many other shows...it didn't live up to my expectations at least...I was hoping for so much more

Haasil really had so much potential than being a story of a villain and a couple..at least this is what I think ...also Ranvir Can't be termed grey in my opinion ..he is negative.



I agree with you Anshi! :)


Also want add something from my POV: In my opinion grey character may murder someone if there strong reason for this...Like I said to Radhika also...A like in one turkish show the man killed few people but he was not bad in heart...Though you should hate him but you can't...and girl fall for him...:) Emraan Hashmi in his romantic thrillers always playing a grey characters, Sid in Ek Villain was grey, Aamir in Fanaa was grey, Varun in Badlapur was grey...All of them did a crime..Someone before love, someone after fail in love...They are killed ppl...But still they are grey because you can't hate them...They are have strong BG story...) Like I said I can accept Ranvir killed Gaurav but who is Gaurav? The man who wanted kill his beloved one. But what they are showing its not grey...The psycho man who can physically hurt his beloved one no grey for me. I would have been perfer to watch the normal criminal, killer..Then psycho obssesed lover. 😆 Just my POV..😳
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Agree Elvi
Murdering Gaurav was understandable but being psycho and phsically hurting Aanchal is not grey

Grey is someone whom people love and hate at the same time

Here people Can't love Ranvir right now...coz he is not grey but negative

This is where writers made a blunder...instead of 3 grey characters we have got 2 positive while one a complete negative and thst is what has made the plot predictable and even the ending
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Ok I respect you guys opinion. Whether Ranvir is grey or black (Complete Villain) his character is still entertaining. His character right now is what make the story intriguing. Like they always say the villains are the best and strong character. I'm just loving the show and happy for Zayed that he came back on the screen again after a while.
But I just wanted to add one last thing. I'm a huge Harry Potter fan and if you guys know about Harry Potter then you would know about the character Severus Snape who was a grey character. He was neither a good or bad person. He was a character that had many flaws and behaved and did bad things for a reason. He hated Harry because he looked like his father who was the man that stole his greatest love from him. So because of that he always treated Harry horribly. He was even willing to let the father and the baby die just so he can have the women he loved. Yet in the end when his story got revealed everyone regarded him as a anti-hero.


I'm not comparing Ranvir with that character from Harry Potter but wIth Ranvir, apparently he is doing all these things to get Aanchal love. He is making mistakes and not realizing it and has many flaws that is yet to see. I found this on a website about grey characters and it looks similar to ranvir.
"Morally grey characters aren't quite villains, but they are too twisted to be traditional heroes. Their souls are hidden behind a menagerie of traumas, heartaches, and wicked actions. They carry out the necessary evils required to create truly epic adventures".

So I'll just end it here with that


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Again Voldemort was a villain right and not a grey character.
Now for makers Ranvir might be grey but for most of us grey is not what has been shown...for most of the viewers Ranvir is a negative character...as u urself said that people hate Ranvir now...if viewers can hate a character and don't feel conflicted then that is negative and not grey in my opinion.

As I have said making Ranvir negative has what made the plot predictable coz we know Aanchal will never fall for him and he is a conflict in AaBir love story
.The Vampire Diaries was a classic case of a love triangle where Damon was a grey character...Anti hero...he murdered people but still people couldn't hate him...Elena fell in love with him...fans remained confused till the end as to who will she really end up with. That was a lot of fun when it was not clear whom the girl will fall for coz both brothers were flawed and Damon was an anti hero

Yes an interesting villain makes the story interesting but the plot also matters a lot...and especially when makers time and again said that Ranvir is the not the villain of the story they went ahead and showed the same thing...i was looking forward to an interesting plot rather than an interesting villain...in fact i wanted to see 3 flawed grey characters...and a complex love triangle not a one sided tale of a villain and love story of a couple

You in your post have called Ranvir a strong villain and then in the definition of grey character u have stated that grey characters are not quite villains...there is a contradiction

Anyone can tell that Ranvir is the villain of this story that AaBir have to overcome

Anyway it was an interesting discussion :)
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Yes it was nice having this nice discussion with you. I also saw the first 4 seasons of the vampire diaries. Damon is a grey character like you said who killed people and did bad things yet redeemed himself and people loved him. By around season 2 I had predicted that Elena was going to end up with Damon because of the clues the writers left hanging.

But back to Ranvir I feel there is more to his character and who knows he might redeem himself when he realizes what he is doing is wrong or maybe not. I'm just excited to see the other layers to this character. This is as close to a modern Indian tv show we are getting right now. So i'm appreciating and loving it.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@TM -- I like the show too. The show is pretty much as I expected from the promos and I didn't care about the pairing
One thing I disagree with is - redeeming Ranvir. If he had not killed, I would be all for reforming him. I hate it when they whitewash a character after s/he has murdered directly or by proxy (hiring goons etc.)

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