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Originally posted by: malikakas

I started a new topic about NK.. but I think NK has suffered the same insecurities as Karan from childhood of not feeling good enough. Karan was always compared to Kunal and NK was always compared to dadu.

Originally posted by: malikakas

I started a new topic about NK.. but I think NK has suffered the same insecurities as Karan from childhood of not feeling good enough. Karan was always compared to Kunal and NK was always compared to dadu.

Originally posted by: Tahitien-moon

ahh yaar what Karan went through childhood till now can never be compared to Nk 😕 I mean daddu will never treat another person much less his own son the way Nk is treating his own younger son like some kind of useless waste🤢 either pushed by sandy or any other cannot be excused🤢 for god sake he is his own flesh and blood and he insults some times totally treat like dirt Karan in front of even total strangers😕 while Karan must have received this kind of treatment even ignored and kept away from rest of his family cause of his disease so his state of dependent on only person who showed him bit of love and tenderness sandy is understandable but Nk since childhood must have received only total love and respect from daddu so much so I think he became a spoiled brat who never grew up and also which explains his ego it self seems to drive him mad at being compared to his dad daddu😆 which left him more vanaurable to be minupilated by sandy😆 and even with all those bad situations and treatment Karan received how he ended up being a such a golden hearted caring person while the son Nk who was definitely loved ending up as a egocentric black hearted moron is beyond comprehension to me and my compassion would thoroughly go to the one deserving Karan 😭than wasting it on Nk 🤢

Originally posted by: malikakas

I don't know.. Dadu is pretty harsh with NK. Obviously now NK deserves it. But I feel dadu would've been harsh with him in his younger years always expecting NK to live up to his ideals. Dadu didn't even put NK in an english school even though that's what NK wanted. I imagine Nk would've been teased a lot as a child that he wasn't fluent in English which a lot of his peers would've been. I think that's where a lot of his sensitive ego comes from.

I feel Dadu is always insulting NK in front of the family. Dadu is right to try to correct NK but he should do it privately. Not in front of everyone. So NK has picked up the same habits from dadu and applies them on Karan.

Karan is a good person but I feel, before Naina, he was on the same path as NK. Bitterness was consuming him. He was very rude to everyone in his life. Even though he has a golden heart... he was also very cruel to Naina. Just as Naina chose to go through with the marriage, so did Karan but he never took responsibility for that. He can't just open the wedding knot and say the marriage isn't valid. He was basically putting Naina in the exact same situation that they were trying to save Meghna from. Plus he was choosing to keep Naina in the dark about his illness, only out of ego, when it was her right to know.

Morally I find what Karan did in a very very grey zone. So I feel its very easy to start crossing the line from right to wrong when your ego and insecurities come into play. Our compassion is greater for Karan because we are seeing him at an earlier stage where he is still capable on acting on empathy for others. But another 20 years of bitterness and it would be much harder for that empathy to come out.

Originally posted by: Tahitien-moon

]yaar i have to disagree Nk never had black cloud like a skin disease hanging over his head that had him keeping away from his loved one's that tortured him since childhood of passing this diseases to someone you loves and Karan could never turned out like Nk cause Nk thinks only of himself while Karan only ever thaught of others yaar. And since wedding of nairan each episode with every Nairan scene revealed why Karan trying to not accept his marriage why he was always being rude to naina so she leave him on her own will it is just because he doesn't want to ruin her life as he thinks he is incurable that he can never give her the love and care of a husband that a good woman like naina deserves👏it was in all nairan aftermath scenes Karan talking to himself and showed him what a selfless beauty of a soul that he is 👏he is scared of giving her his disease are too showed in every scene he accidentally touched her⭐️ he even kept his family at distance for same reasons and since childhood he saw how his father treated nirmala like shit so he would never treated her that badly ever. so Karan can never be a black heart like Nk yaar there's simply no comparison except while Karan has a beautiful soul and Nk has a black soul

And yaar there's no exciuse for Nk but his big blown ego and for gods sake isn't it time he acts like a grown man not a jealous cry baby even his sons seems more mature than him at times

Originally posted by: -Namita-

I see your point, Malika!! Something to think about.

I fee this show doesn't have any evil characters. I know we feel Sandy is evil but when the truth comes out, it will be something not so complicated. Yet, it would make sense from Sandy's point of view.

This PH, doesn't really deal in negativity much. Or maybe Sandy is way too evil for everyone!!!

I sort of feel that Chauhan's owe her something!!! Does anyone else feel this way??

Originally posted by: -Namita-

I see your point, Malika!! Something to think about.

I fee this show doesn't have any evil characters. I know we feel Sandy is evil but when the truth comes out, it will be something not so complicated. Yet, it would make sense from Sandy's point of view.

This PH, doesn't really deal in negativity much. Or maybe Sandy is way too evil for everyone!!!

I sort of feel that Chauhan's owe her something!!! Does anyone else feel this way??

Originally posted by: malikakas

I am not saying I don't understand what Karan did. I do empathize with him. He's one of my favorite characters now. In my view he is a good person.

But I don't think true morality is saving one person's life at the cost of another life. Karan tried to save MeghNal's marriage but at the cost of Naina's life. Karan is not that naive to think that opening the wedding knot voids a marriage that took place in front of all of Naina's society. Or to think Naina heading back to her house after marriage would then allow her to live a normal life. Because if he actually believed that he wouldn't have worried about Meghna's vidaii to begin with.

Karan knew he had a disease.. so he should've had the courage to say no to the marriage even if it meant revealing his disease to the world. There were other alternatives too. He could've spoken to Kunal and told him to stand by his wife. But he made the decision to marry Naina... which is fine but then he also had a responsibility to ensure that decision wouldn't harm Naina. Or at least given Naina the opportunity to understand what she was getting herself into. But he chose to marry Naina under pressure.. but then he also had the responsibility to be honest with Naina. But he didn't do that out of pride. He didn't want people knowing about his illness. He didn't want to be the source of pity. But is that really a good enough excuse?

Agree bit yaar he was bit selfish there in wanting to keep his disease from society went through the rituals with the intention of releasing his bride after it's too late yet for him making confidence with kunal I don't think even thaugh he loves his brother then he didn't really trust him 😆 I thaught that he was even thinking at that time that kunal was supportive of Nk as he always thaught his brother is just a carbon copy of his dad( till their fight in front of media)remember when just before marriage took place when sandy was helpings him to get ready when kunal came he said to sandy what is happening is all wrong and he was looking straight at kunal when he said it😆 he thaught kunal was all for this shradd

The point that I am trying to make is not that Karan is bad. But that sometime we all make morally fallible decisions accordingly to our insecurities. What did Karan think would happen to Naina after he unceremoniously discards her from the car? But Karan's insecurities prevented him from having true empathy for Naina and the situation he was putting her in. What i am trying to say is that when our insecurities overpower us we get shortsighted about right vs wrong. We are blinded from having true empathy for others.

Yes I understand even naina said the same thing to Karan on their wedding night and he was in panic and denial at that moment totally flipped out😆 I think mostly Karan went through the wedding in a state of shock not giving the thaught as to what it means of having life companion of sharing his own personal space ( which was his own little prison) and when that car put on break and Naina fell against him he got it what it all ment and got in to panic mode and that's what he went trying to get rid of her till naina mad him face reality and that's where he saw he was wrong and appologise to her and accepted reality of it all

And that's how I see NK.. someone so far down the path of insecurity that he lacks any true empathy for others. He cannot see beyond his ego at this point. Look at the scene before the dance competition where Karan yells at Naina and blames him for his situation. Its very similar to NK blaming Nirmala for his failures as a father. But different circumstances may have led him down a different path.

Uhhh yaar I still say Nk hasn't one percent of issues Karan has and he never has a father who bash and humiliated him without reason and it's Nk himself reason behind karan's issues of exposing himself in front of strangers and Karan has never went before in to open like that he was in panic mode and it's human you blame the nearest person in a situation like this😆 and other reason behind his panic he was scared too of loosing Naina if he lost( he admitted to it later) when he came to his senses he appologise to naina and looked guilty and we can never compare emotional abuse Nk putting nirmala through same thing yaar please that is going too far Nk hates independent women and jealous of his father's love for his wife so he emotionally abuses her and demean her every jeste 😡 that is emotional abuse plain and direct and he never regret what he doing nor he respect his wife. For me Nk is nothing but a mocho jealous moron who take out his incapablities on more weaker person his wife and his weaker son😡a plain abuser of women and child🤢 so no there's no comparison there either

Originally posted by: Tahitien-moon

Agree bit yaar he was bit selfish there in wanting to keep his disease from society went through the rituals with the intention of releasing his bride after it's too late yet for him making confidence with kunal I don't think even thaugh he loves his brother then he didn't really trust him 😆 I thaught that he was even thinking at that time that kunal was supportive of Nk as he always thaught his brother is just a carbon copy of his dad( till their fight in front of media)remember when just before marriage took place when sandy was helpings him to get ready when kunal came he said to sandy what is happening is all wrong and he was looking straight at kunal when he said it😆 he thaught kunal was all for this shradd

But Karan knew that Kunal would support Meghna against NK when Nk insulted Sharda. So I don't think its believable that he would think that. Both of the brothers think the best of each other. Plus there really would've been no harm in Karan trying to talk to Kunal even if it was only a 1% chance of saving Naina's life? I am not blaming Karan.. I just think it was part of his lack of confidence to stand up for himself or others-- and that is part of his character growth.

Yes I understand even naina said the same thing to Karan on their wedding night and he was in panic and denial at that moment totally flipped out😆 I think mostly Karan went through the wedding in a state of shock not giving the thaught as to what it means of having life companion of sharing his own personal space ( which was his own little prison) and when that car put on break and Naina fell against him he got it what it all ment and got in to panic mode and that's what he went trying to get rid of her till naina mad him face reality and that's where he saw he was wrong and appologise to her and accepted reality of it all

See Karan has Naina to make him see the error of his ways. To remind him to show empathy to others even in the midst of his own issues. Now imagine a scenario where instead of empathetic Naina, you have someone like manipulative Sandhya advising him. Telling him that he's not wrong, its everyone else around him that's wrong and that he is right to feel misunderstood. It would take that same person down a different path.

Uhhh yaar I still say Nk hasn't one percent of issues Karan has and he never has a father who bash and humiliated him without reason

But from Nk's perspective he would feel that its without reason. I am not saying NK is right. But if you stand in his position, imagine how he feels and thinks.. its easy to see how he feels misunderstood and targeted by his dad. Remember how Dadu told him that his spies are just like him and never do anything properly. Dadu constantly taunts NK for being incapable. I remember watching a Brahmakumari speech-- she talked about how children imbibe qualities that you keep telling them that they are. If you keep telling them that they are failures they will become failures. If you keep telling them that they get too angry, it propagates the anger cycle. Dadu keeps hoping NK will change but by continuing to invalidate NK's perspectives, that change can't happen.