Star Kids vs Outsider debate is overhyped

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Romeo Ustra

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Posted: 8 years ago

Why are Star kids at receiving end when any outsider or newcomer can't perform to their level at any given criteria?

1940-1980: When K.L.Sehgal was entertaining audience along with Ashok Kumar, Dilip Kumar entered industry. Dilip Kumar just started getting his foot into stardom when Industry's very own 1st Star Son Stormed the nation - Raj Kapoor. Next came Dev Anand, Rajendera Kumar, Rajesh Khanna, Dharmendra, Manoj Kumar & finally our very own Legend BIG B started off his shining career's trip. Few more names Sunil Dutt, Mithun Chakraborty, Jeetendra, Shashi Kapoor, Shammi Kapoor, Randhir Kapoor. Vinod Khanna, Rishi Kapoor, Shatrughan Sinha, Rakesh Roshan.

From late 1940's to late 1980's above names ruled this glamorous world of films, from Box office hits to hearthrob Superstars, they just own those era.5 STAR Kid & all others OUTSIDERS.

If we talk about BIGGEST HITs, STars - Dilip Kumar, Raj Kapoor, Rajendra Kumar, Dharmendra & BIG B. Over 40 years dominated by OUTSIDER who became MEGASTARs

1983-2016:

Star Kids - Sunny Deol, Sanjay Dutt, Anil Kapoor, Aamir Khan, Salman Khan, Ajay Devgn, Saif Ali Khan, Bobby Deol, Arbaaz Khan, Sohail Khan, Hrithik Roshan, Abhishek Bachchan, Shahid Kapoor, Uday Kapoor, Tushaar Kapoor. Ranbir Kapoor, ARK, Varun Dhawan, Arjun Kapoor, Sid M, Ranveer Singh, Tiger Shroff

Outsiders - Govinda, Chunkey Pandey, Shah Rukh Khan, Akshay Kumar, Suniel Shetty, John Abraham, SSR

Taken these names, there might be more. You will see a Sudden change in having more Star kids from 1983, but their work Speak more than their family background:

From 1983-2016, check out every category, mostly Star Kids have dominated, be it Sunny Deol(as per BOI), Salman Khan(in Real), Aamir Khan, Anil Kapoor & Hrithik. Only 1 outsider who has given equal competition by his work is SRK, one exceptional case.

Flops/Losses every star gives, but a pattern u will see in Star Kids, after a while they stop coming, no matter if their family can make more films or they can lobby for more films, but a trend is consistent in Outsiders, despite their FLOPS, they were given maximum FILMS/Chances:

From 1994-2016: OUTSIDERs giving FLOP/LOSSES

1. Akshay Kumar - 56 / 101 Films

2. Srk - 18 / 53 Films

3. Big B - 52 / 59 Films

4. John Abraham - 31 / 36 Films

5. Mithun Chakraborty - 99 / 112 Films

6. Suniel Shetty - 66 / 90 Films

Look at the amount of films they have done & what kind of LOSS they have generated over the years. If you make out exact figures of LOSS, that will SHOCK you as this much money is wasted on some of these OUTSIDERs irrespective of their Talent to succeed or not.

One list can be made for Star Kids, i can assure you, that will be nothing in front of the above list.

Salman & Aamir are literally saving this Industry from 2008-2016, back to back Big Grossers, when films aren't doing well, ticket window reborn when their films released. Combine business these 2 Star Kids have generated can beat the hell out of all Outsiders work which came along them. SRK was 1 outsider who did some real work from bottom to top, but he has his time from late 90's to late 00's, now he also isn't in form.

If Kjo or Industry is favoring Star Kids, they have every right, you don't have any OUTSIDER who can ensure Success with profits for Industry like Star Kids have done from Late 80's till now, that's why Nepotism do exist.

INDUSTRY Give chance to everyone, you can visit BOI list of films released, you will see so many new faces coming in so many films, out of 226 films released in 2016, you will not even find 20 films done by Star Kids, a good 206 Films done by OUTSIDERs.

Show your work, Audience will give you another BIG B in this era only, don't always blame Star kids if audience is loving them more now.

Edited by .Lakhan. - 8 years ago

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Chudailpaapi

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Posted: 8 years ago

Some one said this finally... . 😛 😆

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fivestars

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Posted: 8 years ago

Before entering this thread i thought this would be the same argument abt insiders/outsiders but WOW u put it very well !!

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Justmoi

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Posted: 8 years ago

I will give you the reason.

Give an outsider the launch a Tiger Shroff had or an Alia has and see the response.

Look at the crap script an Yami Gautam gets and Alia Bhatt gets. I don't know much about TV actors but they have enormous fan bases. Give a Barun Sobti a proper Dharma movie with a popular script and see if he can perform.

Most starkids cannot perform even given hazaar chances. Proof is Uday Chopra and Tusshar. Most of all show me starkid like a Kangana who had to claw her way into BW and got three national awards. Or show me a starkid like one SRK who came with nothing and is now a studio owner and $600 million dollars rich in 20 years. Show me a starkid like Akki who rescued his inlaws, both popular actors from financial loss. Show me one story like that.

I am not a box office guru like you, but look at the starkids who flopped. Raj Kapoor's two sons, Rishi had a mediocre career. Where is Sunny Deol, Bobby Deol, Esha Deol, Kumar Gaurav, Uday, Tusshar, Fardeen Khan, Sohail, Armaan even Abhishek. Among women Kajol's sister, Tabu's sister and so many more. The list is more lambi than the people who succeeded.

Give the multiple chances to the outsiders that are given to starkids even after they fail, give outsiders proper scripts, then we will talk. Until then in the words of starkid Alia, on behalf of outsiders chup karo ji. 😛 😆

ETA: Unless these careers of starkids were free, who is counting the cost for that ji ? You are the BO expert. You tell me.

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zehreeli.kheer

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Posted: 8 years ago

Wow.. thats a whole lot of writing going on here

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Chudailpaapi

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Justmoi
I will give you the reason.
Give an outsider the launch a Tiger Shroff had or an Alia has and see the response.

Look at the crap script an Yami Gautam gets and Alia Bhatt gets. I don't know much about TV actors but they have enormous fan bases. Give a Barun Sobti a proper Dharma movie with a popular script and see if he can perform.

Most starkids cannot perform even given hazaar chances. Proof is Uday Chopra and Tusshar. Most of all show me starkid like a Kangana who had to claw her way into BW and got three national awards. Or show me a starkid like one SRK who came with nothing and is now a studio owner and $600 million dollars rich in 20 years. Show me a starkid like Akki who rescued his inlaws, both popular actors from financial loss. Show me one story like that.

I am not a box office guru like you, but look at the starkids who flopped. Raj Kapoor's two sons, Rishi had a mediocre career. Where is Sunny Deol, Bobby Deol, Esha Deol, Kumar Gaurav, Uday, Tusshar, Fardeen Khan, Sohail, Armaan even Abhishek. Among women Kajol's sister, Tabu's sister and so many more. The list is more lambi than the people who succeeded.

Give the multiple chances to the outsiders that are given to starkids even after they fail, give outsiders proper scripts, then we will talk. Until then in the words of starkid Alia, on behalf of outsiders chup karo ji.😛😆

Sid was launched at same time as Varun and got multiple releases. So lets see how we can interpret Varun's success?

Rishi Kapoor's first movie saved RK films from going under. Waarna RK ki naiyya dub gayi thi. What you call mediocre career has several hits and super hits on BO. Sunny Deol has ATBB on his name plus few more BB.

When star kids hit big, they really hit big. And even if they don't, the loss is in the family. The loss is not to some third party producer. If Udhay Chopra fails, loss is to Chopra family. If Fardeen Khan fails, his father pays the bill. If Barun Sobti fails then loss is to Karan Johar. See the difference.

For every SRK, there is Salman and Aamir who proved to be laambi race ke ghode and who are still saving the industry. Akki's movies are still not opening to big numbers. I think we need to give a rest to this whole nepotism business and allow Bollywood to get out of bad year. 2018 should be good enough to start with something of that sort. 😛 😆

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Posted: 8 years ago

If SRK or Akshay debuted today they would have never made it big or get big films

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Posted: 8 years ago

I think the main argument is not abt success or loss , its abt fair chances . A Tapsee Pannu would NEVER get as much chances or hype as an Alia Bhatt . Look at the new guy Mustafa , if he was not a director's son he would struggle to get roles even as a side actor in TVs

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Romeo Ustra

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Justmoi
I will give you the reason.
Give an outsider the launch a Tiger Shroff had or an Alia has and see the response.

Look at the crap script an Yami Gautam gets and Alia Bhatt gets. I don't know much about TV actors but they have enormous fan bases. Give a Barun Sobti a proper Dharma movie with a popular script and see if he can perform.

Most starkids cannot perform even given hazaar chances. Proof is Uday Chopra and Tusshar. Most of all show me starkid like a Kangana who had to claw her way into BW and got three national awards. Or show me a starkid like one SRK who came with nothing and is now a studio owner and $600 million dollars rich in 20 years. Show me a starkid like Akki who rescued his inlaws, both popular actors from financial loss. Show me one story like that.

I am not a box office guru like you, but look at the starkids who flopped. Raj Kapoor's two sons, Rishi had a mediocre career. Where is Sunny Deol, Bobby Deol, Esha Deol, Kumar Gaurav, Uday, Tusshar, Fardeen Khan, Sohail, Armaan even Abhishek. Among women Kajol's sister, Tabu's sister and so many more. The list is more lambi than the people who succeeded.

Give the multiple chances to the outsiders that are given to starkids even after they fail, give outsiders proper scripts, then we will talk. Until then in the words of starkid Alia, on behalf of outsiders chup karo ji. 😛 😆

ETA: Unless these careers of starkids were free, who is counting the cost for that ji ? You are the BO expert. You tell me.

For Outsiders, you need Multiple Chances, but if same chance i ask for Star Kids, you will complain what for.

You name Srk / Akki doing things, i can write down essays what Salman alone has done, it will be double of what both these outsiders has done in their whole life. You forget to see the No. of films Akshay Kumar was given despite he giving FLOP after FLOP along with DISASTER. I am sure u don't need Box Office knowledge to know what is Flop & what is Disaster.

Earlier for 4 decades, Outsiders Dominated, what kind of scripts they got for which they dominated, why wasn't SHOLAY Offered to any STAR KID? Why Wasn't Mughal-E-Azam had Raj Kapoor playing that character which Dilip played?

Star kids you naming have gone with the wind, just becoz they were not accepted by Audience, i don't see Akshay Kumar quiting films when he was just delivering flops after flops, out of 111 films he has done, 65 are flops/disaster, biggest chance any outsider can get.

Launch / Scripts are also not in somewhere safe that is reserved for Star Kids, they can get 1st film, grand launch, few more, then if not accepted, they themselves quit. But i see 206+ films coming out last year having all OUTSIDER & they just don't even able to attract 130 Cr Indians into Cinema Hall to make any mark.

I have dozens of Outsiders example where there was no Launch, Script was ordinary yet those stars made big ways, ask outsider to at least try.