Learning the link between CN: My Two Cents

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Posted: 8 years ago
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So guys this is another new post by me on the learning as a link between Chandra and Nandini. I know that no emperor in history could have been so liberal and humble like Chandra is to Nandini. He carries books back and forth for her like a librarian. Historically impossible and also improbable.

But CN is supposed to be a love story. Like any couple they need some common factor with which both of them can relate and with which they can identify. Learning is one aspect which is very near to the heart of Nandini. Her father, according to her, was the only one who prioritized women's learning by allowing even the girl of the family equal opportunity to education.

When Amatya Rakshas refuses to teach her citing that she is a girl, Padmanand personally undertakes charge of her education. She thinks her father does it because he is liberal. But it is not. Her father does it because she is his daughter. He does not extend the same kind of liberality of broad thinking to all women. He does not extend this thinking to his own wives.

It is this fact that Nandini has to realize about Chandra. He does things for her because he is truly liberal and broad minded and extends the same kind of thinking to all women, even his enemy's daughter. It is to bring in this similarity and also difference between the two men in her life that this concept learning has been brought.

I personally feel that this does not make Chandra's character weak. Rather it shows how liberal his views are. Any story succeeds only when we are able to relate to it. Though not at the level of a mighty emperor carrying books for his queen, I definitely connect at the level of a husband giving importance to his wife's education.

How can any wife like Nandini fail to connect with a husband like Chandra? Or how can any woman like me fail connecting with a mighty emperor like Chandra who could be so simple, humble and liberal at the same time? BC or AD this too connects!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Very nice post. 👏
The eagerness of Nandini for continuing her education and Chandra's compassion and open-mind of encouraging her and helping her in every way despite her being the most hateful person for him- is going to be the first thread of building the bond strong from both side.
Nandini has her own concepts about what an ideal and liberal man should be, and like any normal daughter, she puts her own father in the place of that ideal man. As a father he loved her a lot, he gave her all the freedom, despite the frowns of Mudrarakkhas, that pursued her from childhood to believe that there is no one in the world who is as liberal as her father, her father is just as perfect as he behaves with her and her father is an example of what should be a king's attitude towards women. (Remember, once she said one of her friends that her father respects each and every woman; and she also announced proudly in front of Chandra that in her father's time all the women of Magadh used to get right and respect.) She is totally blind about her father's actual face which is total contradiction to her concept of an ideal man. On the other hand, now she will find all the qualities of being a man in excellence inside Chandra... His liberal attitude towards her education and his deep words has already made an impact in her mind, and today's fiasco with the slave-women will open her eyes again...
Book carrying scene could have been conducted better. [LOL] Did not the Mauryans have librarians? 😆

But one question is disturbing me very much. As far my ideas go, I always knew in ancient eras women were given full liberty in their education. There were a lot of scholars among the women, and princesses were used to be highly accomplished ladies. Maybe they did not use to go to gurukul and sit with the boys for education, and male tutors may not teach them as there was no co-education system, but there must be proper set-up for the education for girls too. The restrictions on women right came from middle age! So, I am feeling disconnected with so much hulla-gulla about women right in education in 300 BC India sometimes...😛
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I AGREE WITHH YOU SHAILAJA.
NANDINI IS BLINDED BY HER LOVE FOR HER FATHER AND HER OPINION THAT HER FATHER WAS A GREAT KING. WHEN SHE IS GIVEN DOSES FOR THE BITTER PILL OF REALITY, ONLY THEN SHE WILL REALISE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHANDRA AND HER FATHER

SECONDLY, IT WILL BE QUITE ODD FOR HER TO SUDDENLY START LIKING CHANDRA. I DONT THINK ANYONE IN HER POSITION, HAVING SEEN HIM MURDER HER BROTHERS, WILL BE ABLE TO LIKE CHANDRA. THIS IS YET ANOTHER MAJOR HURDLE THAT NEEDS TO BE CROSSED

YESTERDAYS EPISODE WAS QUITE ILLOGICAL, BUT IT WAS FUNNY 😆 AND CUTE TO WATCH

THE KSHAMA SCENE WAS HILARIOUS. WONDER WHY NANDINI WAS ALL UPPITY, I CANT RECALL EVEN ONE SCENE WHEN SHE HAS ASKED CHANDRA FOR FORGIVENESS FOR HER MISDEEDS

THE WHOLE DIALOGUE ABOUT MAIN CHANDRA NA HOTA ET AL WAS QUITE SUDDEN AND SEEMED A BIT OUT OF PLACE, OR EARLY. SEEMS LIKE SOME THAWING IS HAPPENING


HE SEEMED ALMOST SAD THAT CIRCUMSTANCES ARE SUCH THAT THEY CANNOT HAVE NORMAL FEELINGS.

RAJAT WAS GREAT AND EVEN SHWETA WAS NOT BAD

BUT EKTA AND TEAM HAVE A BAD HABIT. LIKE SHYAMALA AUNTY HAD WRITTEN IN ONE OF HER JA POSTS - MAIN LEADS ARE FOREVER PLAYONG SNAKES AND LADDERS. JUST WHEN THEY START LIKING EACH OTHER SOME VILLIAN OR VAMP STARTS A MISUNDERSTANDING AND THEY GET BACK TO THE START 😆


THE MORE CHANDRA PROFESSES TO HAVE GHRINA FOR NANDINI, THE MORE HE VISITS HER ROOM, THE MORE INTEREST HE TAKES IN HER EDUCATION, AND, LIKE YOU SAY, BECOMES HER BOOK CARRIER.


I THINK VERY SOON HE WILL ALSO ACCOMPANY HER TO THE GURUKUL 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi;
My two cents here are soon nandini will start ranting pati Maharaj instead of pita Maharaj.
Chandra in my view is feeling sympathy not because of nandini being victim of revenge but he is viewing her so a girl who has lost everything in a very short period of time
Chandra knows what deprivation means...the loss of loved ones the way he lost his foster mothers love... The way his identity was reduced to dust despite of being capable he was ridiculed as charwahe Ka Beta..
This way the leads are being connected by the thread of empathy... With each other.
Chandra is making nandini rational and I hope on this gurukul tour nandini realizes the Sorry state of affairs in magadh.
On the other hand chandra is venturing into a new territory... He's exploring woman on his own for the first time.
Durdhara was and is his friend cum partner.
Here nandini intrigues.. Irks and fascinates him.
Chandra is taking baby steps towards her but he knows that soon all will be lost when he kills Mahapadmanand...
I'm enjoying this as of now..
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Shailaja and stuti
Perhaps they are cutting the cost of a librarian... And now leaving whole magadh and most importantly searching nand chandra is scooting to taxila with Nandni.. But a small thing women's position was very good in vedic era they were allowed to be educated but that declined in maury an age... And even before it... But I'm taking it with a pinch of salt.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Stuti I agree with what Pakiv has said. Education for women was always a very tricky proposition when we go into history. There was always a wide gap between those women who were lucky enough and got the opportunity to be educated and empowered and those who were not. Even those who were considered very educated and knowledgable among the ladies might have had to face tremendous odds. Of course we have never been told those stories of how these ladies came to all that education, knowledge and wisdom. It was not general or universal as it is these days by any standards during the Mauryan Era.
Even these days, there is often a bench mark in the education of women. Many parents often think it is enough if they get a girl graduated and then married while for a son they would have him do his MBA or post graduation as well. I remember many of my friends who though being very talented never did their post graduation or went on to do their M. Tech, M. Phil or Ph. D. They got married and bore children. But when they were studying with me, they had many more dreams and aspirations than just marriage and children.

There might have been Seminaries for Women during Mauryan Era but it would have been more on the lines of our present day Home Science Classes. A bit of music, dance, sewing, cooking, managing the house, a bit of arithmetic for looking after the household expenses, a bit of conversational skills and using feminine charms, not at all interesting by any standards and not at all equal to the kind of education and interesting areas of study to which men had access to.

The professors who were teaching them would not be of the caliber of Acharya Chanakya or Amatya Rakshas. It would be more of our present day uninspiring and bimbo clones of Aunt Agatha and Miss Marplewood parading and strutting about as teachers and professors. They would hardly have appealed to any of the lady learners. They would rather they remained uneducated and untampered by these imposing and frightening ladies.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shailusri1983

Stuti I agree with what Pakiv has said. Education for women was always a very tricky proposition when we go into history. There was always a wide gap between those women who were lucky enough and got the opportunity to be educated and empowered and those who were not. Even those who were considered very educated and knowledgable among the ladies might have had to face tremendous odds. Of course we have never been told those stories of how these ladies came to all that education, knowledge and wisdom. It was not general or universal as it is these days by any standards during the Mauryan Era.

Even these days, there is often a bench mark in the education of women. Many parents often think it is enough if they get a girl graduated and then married while for a son they would have him do his MBA or post graduation as well. I remember many of my friends who though being very talented never did their post graduation or went on to do their M. Tech, M. Phil or Ph. D. They got married and bore children. But when they were studying with me, they had many more dreams and aspirations than just marriage and children.

There might have been Seminaries for Women during Mauryan Era but it would have been more on the lines of our present day Home Science Classes. A bit of music, dance, sewing, cooking, managing the house, a bit of arithmetic for looking after the household expenses, a bit of conversational skills and using feminine charms, not at all interesting by any standards and not at all equal to the kind of education and interesting areas of study to which men had access to.

The professors who were teaching them would not be of the caliber of Acharya Chanakya or Amatya Rakshas. It would be more of our present day uninspiring and bimbo clones of Aunt Agatha and Miss Marplewood parading and strutting about as teachers and professors. They would hardly have appealed to any of the lady learners. They would rather they remained uneducated and untampered by these imposing and frightening ladies.

Thank you Shailaja Di for this beautiful explanation. 😳
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shailusri1983

Stuti I agree with what Pakiv has said. Education for women was always a very tricky proposition when we go into history. There was always a wide gap between the between those women who were lucky enough and got the opportunity to be educated and empowered and those who were not. Even those who were considered very educated and knowledgable among the ladies might have had to face tremendous odds. Of course we have never been told those stories of how these ladies came to all that education, knowledge and wisdom. It was not general or universal as it is these days by any standards during the Mauryan Era.

Even these days, there is often a bench mark in the education of women. Many parents often think it is enough if they get a girl graduated and then married while for a son they would have him do his MBA or post graduation as well. I remember many of my friends who though being very talented never did their post graduation or went on to do their M. Tech, M. Phil or Ph. D. They got married and bore children. But when they were studying with me, they had many more dreams and aspirations than just marriage and children.

There might have been Seminaries for Women during Mauryan Era but it would have been more on the lines of our present day Home Science Classes. A bit of music, dance, sewing, cooking, managing the house, a bit of arithmetic for looking after the household expenses, a bit of conversational skills and using feminine charms, not at all interesting by any standards and not at all equal to the kind of education and interesting areas of study to which men had access to.

The professors who were teaching them would not be of the caliber of Acharya Chanakya or Amatya Rakshas. It would be more of our present day uninspiring and bimbo clones of Aunt Agatha and Miss Marplewood parading and strutting about as teachers and professors. They would hardly have appealed to any of the lady learners. They would rather they remained uneducated and untampered by these imposing and frightening ladies.

beautiful Shailaja.
And yes I agree till present a woman who is highly educated is sometimes ridiculed for being a woman... At many places this is toxic
Thts why this track is realistic and it is a good deviation from kitchen politics and chanakya chandra scenes.
Nandini is just an example chandra wants to set before his acharya to make a rule for woman education.
To recall one of the earliest scenes where nandini used to do charity we can decide that she too feels for people the same way as chandra.
This common thinking for magadh will make them click and she will start giving regards to chandra after this track.
I hope so... But I have one koschan..
Can't we have chandra nandini scenes or other scenes beyond the palace Hall... That snan griha and nandinis room...
Atleast they can afford a garden.. Or lawn 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: pakhiv

beautiful Shailaja.
And yes I agree till present a woman who is highly educated is sometimes ridiculed for being a woman... At many places this is toxic
Thts why this track is realistic and it is a good deviation from kitchen politics and chanakya chandra scenes.
Nandini is just an example chandra wants to set before his acharya to make a rule for woman education.
To recall one of the earliest scenes where nandini used to do charity we can decide that she too feels for people the same way as chandra.
This common thinking for magadh will make them click and she will start giving regards to chandra after this track.
I hope so... But I have one koschan..
Can't we have chandra nandini scenes or other scenes beyond the palace Hall... That snan griha and nandinis room...
Atleast they can afford a garden.. Or lawn 😆

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Some Royal Udhyanvan scenes would be really good.

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