Economics of ADHM and Shivaay

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Ae Dil Hai Mushkil Hit or Flop: Business Economics

Karan Johar's Ae Dil Hai Mushkil was one of the most anticipated movies of the year. The expectations were high because Karan was returning 4 years after Student Of The Year' and he had a solid star cast in Ranbir Kapoor, Anushka Sharma and Aishwarya Rai Bachchan too.

But the odds throughout the campaign were stacked against the film. There were threats of boycott because it featured Fawad Khan, there was a bigger film Shivaay' which was also scheduled to release on the same day and many though ADHM might only appeal to the urban audience.

6 days after release, the tide has turned and Ae Dil Hai Mushkil' is already a profitable film for its investors.

The breakup of economics:

  • Cost of Production - 68 crore
  • Print and Advertising - 20 crore (14 crore in India, 6 crore overseas)
  • Margin for Fox Star Studios - 15 crore
  • Total - 103 crore

Note: The cost of production does not include Karan Johar's direction fee, but it doesn't need to (he is the producer).

Non-theatrical Recovery:

  • Satellite Rights - 45 crore
  • Music - 19 crore
  • Digital - 10 crore
  • Total non-theatrical - 74 crore

In short, even after including the distribution margin of Fox Star Studios, Ae Dil Hai Mushkil has to recover only around Rs 29 crore from theatrical business - a figure that would be covered just from the overseas business of the film.

However, a big film like Ae Dil Hai Mushkil' cannot be declared a hit if the domestic net box office collections aren't equal to or higher than the costs.

Here is the break-down of how much Ae Dil Hai Mushkil needs to attain various box office verdicts:

  • Below 85 crore - Flop
  • Below 100 crore - Average grosser
  • 100 crore or more - Hit
  • 130 crore or more - Super hit
  • 170 crore or more - Blockbuster

Shivaay Hit or Flop: Business Economics


Ajay Devgn's Shivaay was undoubtedly one of the biggest releases of year and also one of the costliest. The beginning to the campaign was outstanding as the Shivaay trailer was unanimously applauded for its action and scale. Post the trailer, the units that were put out failed to sustain interest and the film eventually opened below expectations on its opening day.

Shivaay did well on the Diwali holiday and has since sustained, but collections never hit the kind of levels that a big film like this was expected to. It needed a couple of 20 crore plus days, but nearly a week after release, the 15 crore mark has only been surpassed once.

The reason it needed those big days is the high costs. The two major circuits combined had to collect somewhere around 75-80 crore just to cover costs of the distributors, but at the end of 6 days Mumbai and Delhi-UP have collected approximately 34.75 crore. Shivaay is not even at the half way mark and the first big week has already passed.

The second weekend will be crucial. It has to sustain and grow, else Shivaay will join the growing list of big films that have disappointed at the box office this year.

Breakdown of the Economics:

  • Cost of Production - 90 crore
  • Print and Advertising - 20 crore
  • Total Cost - 110 crore

Note: Cost of production does not include Ajay Devgn's acting or direction fee, he is the producer.

Recovery from non-theatrical:

  • Satellite - 40 crore
  • Music - 10 crore
  • Others - 5 crore
  • Total - 55 crore

We have also been informed by reliable sources of the same film, that Shivaay needs to collect Rs 120 crore to cover distributor costs.

Here is how much the film needs for the various box office verdicts:

  • Below 110 crore - Flop
  • Below 130 crore - Average
  • Above 130 crore - Hit
  • Above 170 crore - Super Hit
  • Above 220 crore - Blockbuster

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Total budget difference is only 7 crores and even then if ADHM does 100 crores it is a hit but if Shivaay does 110crores also it is Flop 🤪
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Piku-

Total budget difference is only 7 crores and even then if ADHM does 100 crores it is a hit but if Shivaay does 110crores also it is Flop 🤪


Exactly.

why and how? 😆😆😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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they dont need to recover production costs from theatrical releases.. adhm atleast seems to have managed that when you add in the crores at which it was sold to distributors in India... whatever adhm is earning now is already profits for the producers and if they makes twice the amount at which it was sold to distributors, it is a hit...
same with Shivaay i imagine... budget is not important.. the figure at which it was sold to distributors is the important one.. producers tou at any rate have alot of other avenues for earning back what they spent...


I finally understood Bolly economics on a late night chat with Lakhan 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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KJo is busy with the calculator borrowed from Papa Roshan.
Abey, Ghochu! Satellite rights producer ko milta hai distributor ko nahin. Toh recovered 90% before release wala BS apne khud ke liye rakh.

Aise hisaab hota toh Bang Bang aur HNY ko ATBB ka tag mil jata.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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India se distributors ko mile 39 cr
Overseas se 18cr

Total 57cr banaye hai ADHM ke distributors ne.


Edited by dahee - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: dahee

KJo is busy with the calculator borrowed from Papa Roshan.

Abey, Ghochu! Satellite rights producer ko milta hai distributor ko nahin. Toh recovered 90% before release wala BS apne khud ke liye rakh.

Aise hisaab hota toh Bang Bang aur HNY ko ATBB ka tag mil jata.


In clashes like this perception matters. I think it was some member here who said this-In a big clash your film doesnt have to be the best but it has to be just better than the other film. Thats kinda how BM, Rustom and ADHM have won their respective clashes. BM and ADHM are terrible films which would have crashed on their own. In ADHM's case I dont know the economics but Shivay is beaten fair and square in theaterical and could do around 100cr. That is enough for it to be hailed as a hit.
Also as per BOI the film has held on well and that too in mass centers. So WOM is good and credit should be given to the film for it.

Ae Dil Hai Mushkil Has Good First Week
Friday 04 November 2016 11.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network

Ae Dil Hai Mushkil had a good first week grossing around 78 crore nett in its first week which is the fifth highest first week collection of 2016 after Sultan, Rustom, M.S.Dhoni - The Untold Story, Housefull 3 and Airlift. In terms of all time it is the 26th highest of all time. The biggest plus for the film is that it took an initial despite it being pre Diwali so despite the film not really able to make any headway on Saturday and Sunday it still had a healthy weekend of nearly 35 crore nett. Then there was a big holiday on Monday which gave the collections a good lift and it maintained well thereafter though was with the support holidays in parts.

The film has done well in the metros which expected but the weekdays holds were due to the holds in mass centres. In many centres of UP it has actually collected more than Shivaay over the week and this is despite it being an urban film. The collections in Lucknow are even better than another mass film Housefull 3 and only behind Sultan and Rustom for the year. This has happened due to the music and holiday period otherwise there is no chance of this type of film clocking up around 1 crore nett from a centre like Lucknow.

The best performing circuits over the week were Mumbai and Mysore with the former being helped by an extended holiday period in Gujarat and the latter raced off too a huge start as there was no affect of pre Diwali and grossed the second highest first week figure of 2016 of around 7.25 crore nett. North was affected hugely by pre Diwali especially on Sunday but its likely to hold well in week two. The eighth day will give an idea of its lifetime business and despite its good first week a good total on day eight is still crucial.


Shivaay Has Decent First Week
Friday 04 November 2016 11.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network

Shivaay had a decent first week of around 61.50 crore nett which is the eighth highest first week total of 2016 after Sultan, Rustom, M.S. Dhoni - The Untold Story, Housefull 3, Airlift, Ae Dil Hai Mushkil and Fan. the difference between the collections of Shivaay and Ae Dil Hai Mushkil can be put down to the poor start that Shivaay took at the multiplexes of A centres. The collections fell further over Saturday and Sunday giving it a low weekend. It had a huge jump on Monday due to the big holiday and did well on the next day but then collections came down to a lower level. It is probably coincidence but the first week collections are in the same range as other Ajay Devgn films like Golmaal 3, Bol Bachchan and Son Of Sardaar. All these films are around 61 and 62 crore nett and have the best first week collections for an Ajay Devgn starrer outside Singham Returns which crossed 100 crore nett in the first week.

The best performance has come in Mumbai circuit as the Gujarat / Saurashtra belt has done very well due to extended holiday periods. Rajasthan, CP Berar, CI and Bihar have also done well as all these circuits scored over Ae dil Hai Mushkil. The poor business has come in Mysore and West Bengal but that happens for most mass films. North India is so so with collections below Ae Dil Hai Mushkil in most centres of Delhi NCR, East Punjab and UP. The Thursday to Friday fall is very important for the film as it needs a very strong hold to put up a good final number. If its the regular 30% drop then it will probably be looking at average performance on a best case scenario.

Edited by MrsKhan - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ZanduBaaM

The breakup of economics: ADHM/Shivay

  • Cost of Production - 68 crore/90crore
  • Print and Advertising - 20 crore (14 crore in India, 6 crore overseas)/ 20 crore
  • Margin for Fox Star Studios - 15 crore
  • Total - 103 crore/110 crore

Non-theatrical Recovery:

ADHM/Shivay

  • Satellite Rights - 45 crore/40 crore
  • Music - 19 crore /10 crore
  • Digital - 10 crore / 5 crore
  • Total non-theatrical - 74 crore/ 55 crore

Here is the break-down of how much Ae Dil Hai Mushkil/Shivaay needs to attain various box office verdicts:

  • Below 85 crore - Flop -- Below 110 crore
  • Below 100 crore - Average grosser - Below 130 crore
  • 100 crore or more - Hit - Above 130 crore
  • 130 crore or more - Super hit- Above 170 crore
  • 170 crore or more - Blockbuster - Above 220 crore

Now its easy to read, blue one is for shivaay
Alright the cost of production for Shivaay (Ajay) is 110 crore inspite of multiple starer ADHM (Aish, Ranbir, Anu, Lisa, Imran, Faw, SRK, Alia). Make sense.
ADHM P&A includes 20 cr same as Shivaay but their oversea collection isnt reported anywhere.

When its related to overall cost ADHM is just 7 cr less then Shivaay.
But when its related to declaring hit or flop, difference is 25 crore for hit, but it jumps to 40 cr and 50 cr for super hit and blockbuster resp. 😆



Edited by 09tanki - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: MrsKhan


In clashes like this perception matters. I think it was some member here who said this-In a big clash your film doesnt have to be the best but it has to be just better than the other film. Thats kinda how BM, Rustom and ADHM have won their respective clashes. BM and ADHM are terrible films which would have crashed on their own. In ADHM's case I dont know the economics but Shivay is beaten fair and square in theaterical and could do around 100cr. That is enough for it to be hailed as a hit.


Yeah, like I said in another thread a few days back. Shivaay has lost the clash. But winning the clash and becoming a hit are two different things.

From distributors side ADHM has only made 57-58cr. Abhi toh un logo ko aur 25 cr banane hai unke paise recover karne mei. Jiske liye aur 50cr banane honge movie ko.

Pehle distributors paise recover toh kar le. Phir announce karo ke tumhari movie HIT hai.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I also want to know Shivaay's oversease collection?

Are NRIs not liking its international level action/stunts? 😕

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