The Patliputra Chronicles: On the Bahubali hangover

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Friends this is one point that has been endlessly flogged since the begining of CN; and not without some amount of justice as well; The Bahubali Hangover!

I do not deny the criticism. But if we are going to look for Bahubali in every scene of CN, we are never going to enjoy the series. I think the ultimate aim of all of us watching CN is because at some point there are several things with which we connect despite a number of other things going awry. I, for one, am loving the series despite all its flaws.

There was a period in my life when I literally gorged on psychoanalysts like Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, Erik Erikson, structural anthropologists like Claude Levi Strauss, myth critics like Northtrop Frye, criticism on literary histories, post modernists like Derrida and his concept of deconstruction, Foucault and his theory of power politics, Lacan and his theories on the link between language and psychology etc because of certain circumstances which forced me to read them up.

If I think it worth my while, it would not be a very difficult deal to tear apart any series or any film, scene to scene, word to word, expression to expression. After doing something like this, I would hardly have any pleasure or satisfaction of having seen something worthwhile. That is what excessive analysis and trying to judge something does to a viewer. If you or I are going to behave like the master chef judges of an Indian Khichdi served up hot to us by dissecting it bit by bit, we would hardly relish it, not even the things that work.

It took so many years after independence to make a movie with the kind of production values and execution we saw in Babubali to be made. It is a movie all of us can be proud of. But aren't we unreasonable in expecting a TV series to equal it in excellence and production values? Why even the budgets are not the same!

And Bahubali was not the most original and innovative story in existence that we are accusing CN of copying and lifting from it. Bahubali creates its own fictional kingdom and fictional characters to inhabit it along with a fictional history, geography and in places its own language as well which deserves all the accolades it is getting. The film truly does have a vision of its own. But those of you who have seen it, prove me wrong if the entire set up is not Mahabharata Rebooted?

We have two warring cousins fighting for the throne, Amarendra Bahubali and Bhallala Deva, one representing the side of good, and the other representing the side of evil, just like the Pandavas and Kauravas.

AB is the son of the ruling king who is the younger brother but comes to the throne because the elder brother Vijjaladeva is physically handicapped. Isn't this like the Pandu and Dhritharashtra parallel? Vijjaladeva has a blind affection for his son, BD despite his penchant for evil, just like Dhritharashtra's love for Duryodhan.

Take the character of Katappa. Isn't he Bhishma and Karna combined; a slave to the ruling throne, the right man in the wrong side, one whose obligation and dependence on the ruling throne affects his loyalties over his personal belief system of right and wrong, good and bad. He is forever shackled to side with evil though he does not concur with their views and ideas

Rani Devasena in prison waiting for her son to rescue her, isn't she another Devaki waiting for Krishna? Devasena is a Draupadi as well because she harbors a terrible feeling of vengeance against those who made her and her family suffer, unlike Devaki who is comparatively more fore bearing towards Kamsa. Devasena even keeps on preparing the bed of funeral pyre for BD with the twigs she picks up during her free time. It is the sort of revengeful feeling Draupadi is capable of.

And the scene where Shivudu is smuggled out of the prison by Rajmata Sivagami in that pelting rain before that river in spate to that colony of tribals, aren't there definite echoes of Vasudev and baby Krishna before River Yamuna.

And now to the famous Shiv ling lifting song, isn't there a definite Krishna lifting the Govardhan Parvat hangover?

So my main point is, themes in mythology and history keep repeating. They are cyclic in nature. Why even our fashions and almanacs keep repeating after a definite set of years. Only the names and a few circumstances and situations keep changing. That is why we read history. It keeps us grounded, it tells us why we are the way we are, it gives us warning of what happened in the past to our ancestors and forewarns us what may happen in the future if we are not careful enough.

Ever heard history repeats itself. It happens all the time all around us. We often make the same mistakes our parents made and learn our lessons the hard way. Jung says that the whole of humanity shares "a universal consciousness'. We have shared memories and shared experiences. This results in shared myths or stories. Only names and few basic details differ. If you take up the myths of different cultures which share no geographical unity, they are in many occasions same at the ideological level. Take the example of the Fall of Icarus and that of Garuda's elder brother(I forget the name of this Indian mythical character), it is the same at the ideological level.

Levi Strauss says that we can break up any individual myth into a set of basic meaningful mythical units called mythemes. These mythemes or basic themes or ideas in a myth combine and recombine in different ways to form different myths. Interesting isn't it? If all this is so, where does the concept of perfect originality come in? Everything is recycled and re-presented at some point.

That was the point I was trying to make. I have nothing against Bahubali. Moreover I loved it just in the same way as I am loving CN now. If we are going to compare both at every point, CN is going to come second best leaving us with nothing but disappointment. It will just not do. We watch something to feel happy and satisfied and not to be permanently and consistently disatisfied.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@shailusri You made very good points about originality and history. I completely agree with all your points. But I think the main grievance our fellow viewers have is that the presentation is very similar to Bahubali.
For example the open prison where moora is chained. Normally, such prisoners would be in enclosed area with not much exposure to outside world. This would drive them into despair and depression or make them lose touch with reality.
But here Moora is chained in an open prison where she is aware of happenings in the Kingdom. Quite unnatural if u ask me.

In my opinion, such ideas can be reutilised if it serves the purpose but not only to increase the drama quotient.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I m sorry dear but I m not agree with u.
Mahabharata , Ramayana are original stories dear.
If you create a fiction story , which is inspired by some other original one.
It is natural dear ... It is not wrong because our most of stories somewhere related
With other original one.

But if you create a original historical character
Or want to show personal life of a great warrior like Chandra Gupta Maurya
Then u can't copy a fictional story for it dear.
Iss ke liye aap ko apana original dikhana hi padega
Nahi to sab artificial lagega and taste bhi kharab hoga viewers ka.

You can make a fiction from a original
But you can't make a original from a fiction one.

Jaise Mahabharata se bahubali ban sakati hain
But bahubali se Chandra Gupta Maurya banana , it is not great thing.

And bahubali sirf Mahabharata ka sense dikhati but
But Chandra nandani is carbon copy of bahubali.
It is not good for any historical show.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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If it was a pure historical show, all the allegations made by blue cool and switer would hold good. But CN is a historical fiction. Its very classification gives the makers the freedom and license to recreate history. It is enough if they take just a few names and events from history. Their take on it need not be historical. It could be entirely fictitious and imaginary.

I guess many of you might want to see more of history and less of fiction. But the truth remains, we are looking for history in the wrong place if we are trying to find it in a TV series like this purely meant for entertainment. It is the call of the maker who invests his/her money in it, how much of history and how much of fiction we get to see in a series. They are here to make money and not enlighten us. It is a purely business proposition to them. Bahubali was a super duper hit. So they thought why not cash on it.
Edited by shailusri1983 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Ekta shows have always been inspired from movies since 2000s.All the eye locking scenes,heroine falling and hero holding her,romantic songs,pre marital sex,extra marital affairs, everything have been copied from movies.
If this show too is inspired from bahubali, there's nothing to be surprised about.

In fact,she is not the only serial maker who copies from movies.Others too are doing the same. In fact,they are going one step ahead and copying scenes and stories from balaji shows. 😆

I am sure Ekta herself doesn't care for these criticisms as long as the trps go up and up.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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The very point I was trying to make but better and concisely expressed than me. I agree with you perfectly. JA was also a take off on Ashutosh Gowarikar's JA. Didn't it get the TRPs? Wasn't it very popular? Didn't it sell? At the end of the day I think that is all that matters to the makers of TV shows!

Originally posted by: .Subha.

Ekta shows have always been inspired from movies since 2000s.All the eye locking scenes,heroine falling and hero holding her,romantic songs,pre marital sex,extra marital affairs, everything have been copied from movies.

If this show too is inspired from bahubali, there's nothing to be surprised about.

In fact,she is not the only serial maker who copies from movies.Others too are doing the same. In fact,they are going one step ahead and copying scenes and stories from balaji shows.😆

I am sure Ekta herself doesn't care for these criticisms as long as the trps go up and up.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shailusri1983

The very point I was trying to make but better and concisely expressed than me. I agree with you perfectly. JA was also a take off on Ashutosh Gowarikar's JA. Didn't it get the TRPs? Wasn't it very popular? Didn't it sell? At the end of the day I think that is all that matters to the makers of TV shows!



Both film and serial were made on same topic dear.
And ekta inspired to making jodha Akbar serial from this film.
Okkk

And yaaa jodha Akbar got trp till date they showed some new things and they maintain royalty
Of that era .

But once when they started showing nonsense this serial also lost its charm.
Okkk

We have no problem with any serial dear .
Bhale hi aap fiction dikha rahe ho but kam se kam USS era ka kuch to natural dikha sakate ho.
Aur iss ke liye aap ko koi copy karane ki jarurat nahi hain.
I know Indian Bollywood and tellywood mein copy paste hota hain.
But at least I want change now.
If viewers demand for new , fresh and original things then producers or directors will have not remain any way
For escaping .

So we r demanding for it.
😆

Bhale story fiction dikhao but USS era ka touch to rahane do.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I agree completely with you, dear friend. What should I call you? I am Ankita.
The first time I saw Bahubali, I was reminded of the characters of my childhood comics of Amar Chitra Katha. There are, as you have so aptly explained, many many liftoffs from mythology in Bahubali.

People emulate what inspires them. In creativity, this is given. The allusions to Bahubali in Chandra Nandini are a huge compliment to the impact this movie has left in our psyche. I do not begrudge the director his creative freedom as long there is sense in his storytelling.

The scenes, even if they are copied somewhat, are a visual treat. They are entertaining. I am happy for half an hour with my TV screen. What more can I ask for?

If I want originality, I can read a book. But alas! There is plagiarism in that as well! 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I am Shailaja. Ankita, I am glad that both of us think alike. But I guess that has happened even previously. I remember reading a number of your posts on Shyamala aunty's thread. If pure history is shown, I bet many of the detractors are going to tell, what a boring series! Can't they spice up things or something of that sort. I am not the sort who enjoys art film stuff. I love whatever keeps me entertained and glued to the screens.

I knew one of my friends who watched TV ravenously for two reasons. Why she loved a series so much? And two why a TV series bugged her off so much? You know the most interesting bit, she paid the series which she hated more attention. I guess it is human tendency. Whether you watch a series passionately out of like or dislike, it makes no difference because the series gets the TRPs it needs to remain afloat.

Originally posted by: BrienneOfTarth

I agree completely with you, dear friend. What should I call you? I am Ankita.

The first time I saw Bahubali, I was reminded of the characters of my childhood comics of Amar Chitra Katha. There are, as you have so aptly explained, many many liftoffs from mythology in Bahubali.

People emulate what inspires them. In creativity, this is given. The allusions to Bahubali in Chandra Nandini are a huge compliment to the impact this movie has left in our psyche. I do not begrudge the director his creative freedom as long there is sense in his storytelling.

The scenes, even if they are copied somewhat, are a visual treat. They are entertaining. I am happy for half an hour with my TV screen. What more can I ask for?

If I want originality, I can read a book. But alas! There is plagiarism in that as well!😆

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I have never visited your threads before but I definitely read your comments on Shymala Aunty's threads, I think I must visit your threads more often now!

I very much agree to what you have got to explain and I have already posted a comment on Aunty's thread in this regard. It's alright if the viewers expect to see certain amount of logic going into the scenes and various tracks as the show proceeds. I also understand that the use of CGI is at times unnecessary and even irritating to some extent.

But one must not forget it's a mass entertainer at the end of the day. Many people watch it just like any other serial and cater to the trps. Plus, not everything in history makes a good visual treat - so much is controversial - neither the viewers, nor the actors or even the makers have seen Chandragupta or Chanakya, even the historians who write books haven't. So how can one guarantee authenticity?!

Regarding the topic of your thread, maximum box office earning entertainers do copy - films copy from novels, epics or foreign films, serials copy from films and this works in a cycle - on and on. We cannot accuse Ekta for copying coz, she never swore, she wouldn't be doing so. As far as disappointment due to Bahubali hangover, well, accept or not, it doesn't matter to everyone - it matters only to those who have watched Bahubali!!


Reading your post was a pleasure,
Adwitiya.

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