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Posted: 8 years ago
Chanda cursed Ashok that he will always remain alone.They showed Devi leaving him because of the effect of the curse.Will they show kaurvaki and ashok also not getting married and ashok leaving alone forever?
His life would have no meaning then.
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Posted: 8 years ago
What if he kills her for that reason. 😲 🤣
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Posted: 8 years ago
Second last episode and brilliant CVs showed us Chanda's drama (yes, I am still watching ). Whatever KWK said I so wanted that to come from RG. IN my understanding, what chanakya is to Chandragupt, RG is same to Ashok. And here, poor thing has become background prop. Well, one thing is CAS CVs don't discriminate, so they ruined everyone's character.
Btw, Chanda's acting was good.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Himavari: You read Sharadindu Banerjee? The guy's the best writer of histo-fiction in the language after Bankimchandra and DL Ray. My personal favourite is "Kumarsambhav er Kobi".

Shyamala: If you can, try to get hold of the English translations of "Jhelum Nodeer Dhare" and "Tungabhadrar Teere". The first one's a stellar short story while the latter is a novel.
Edited by krystal_watz - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Well, two points.

One, Radhagupt could not possibly have made the core point in Kaurwaki's speech, which was that Chanda was no wronged innocent, but a woman who married an evil Sushim knowing perfectly well what he was like.

This is because Radhagupt knows nothing about the inner mechanics of the Sushim-Chanda marriage. Kaurwaki does. She is the one who goes - ill-advisedly in my opinion- to try and dissuade Chanda from entering into this marriage.So she is the only person in a position to state, firmly and unequivocally, that Chanda marrying Sushim was a case of the bad joining forces with the the bad. And it is this point that finally changes Ashoka's mind and makes him abandon his early, emotional decision to "right" the "wrong" that would have been, to his mind, done to Chanda and her unborn child.

Incidentally, this child is the one who grows up and becomes the Buddhist bhikshu Nirgodh (?) who first introduces Ashoka to the teachings of the Lord Buddha.

This apart, Devi's fear about the shraap was typical of her class and upbringing. Kaurwaki might or might not have been a fisherman's daughter raised by the King of Kalinga - though here she is clearly shown as a child born to Jagannath and his wife ( a terrible set of genes to inherit for the poor girl!šŸ˜‰) - but she has been raised as and is a princess and a warrior. Her argument, that if the ruler was to be afraid of the curses of evildoers, the justice system would collapse, was spot on.

For once, Soumya delivered her lines perfectly, with no bombast or OTT expressions. I was pleased to see that Kaurwaki did not look elated, nor did she even smile, when Ashoka thanked her for setting him on the right path. Plus I liked the dignified manner in which she nixed any idea of her marrying Ashoka and quit the scene.

Chanda was frightful in her OTT and unbearably extended scene. Poor girl.

Finally, when has this Radhagupt ever displayed any special flair for tackling problems that he is now expected to open his mouth and spout pearls of wisdom? Even when the trick to save Ashoka from the death sentence is thought out, it is Ashoka who does the thinking. Not Radhagupt, who simply stands there bleating Ashoka, kuch karo! Some guru, this! To even compare him with Chanakya is sheer blasphemy.😔

Nor is there is any point in arguing about what he was in history. We are concerned only with this Radhagupt, and CAS is not history by any manner of means!

Two, a girl in love with a man, or vice versa, is always obsessed with the beloved. If not, it is not love. True love is never rational or balanced or subject to a thousand social and other considerations. It is concerned only with the beloved to the exclusion of all else. All the iconic love stories share this single premise.

But if the girl is obsessed with a man she knows to be evil, then she is a vikshipta preyasi. This is the case with Chanda.

When she is obsessed with a noble man, she is of dhridha sankalp. This is the case with Kaurwaki.

Ashoka was at best average last night. When Kaurwaki was reeling off her arguments against Ashoka's initial decision, there should have been a shifting array of expressions on Mohit's face as the realisation of where he had gone badly wrong, and of the implications of his hasty decision for his praja sank home. There was absolutely nothing. Ashoka simply stood there like a casual listener, and then thanked Kaurwaki and regretted his mistake with the same, flat expression. Mohit fell down completely in this bit.

It was pretty much the same when he rejected the idea of a second marriage. There was not the least indication of a hidden sense of what he really wants, not even in a fleeting instant of joy at Devi's suggestion - for Kaurwaki is still his only love - and it looked as if he just wanted to deliver his confused (discussed below) lines about the ek patni concept and march off.

What made me go 🤣 at the end of last night's episode was that the eternal wait in this EDT for Chanda Ashoka bids fair to match that for Godot in Samuel Beckett's very famous play Waiting for Mr. Godot. Mr. Godot never came,and it seems likely to be pretty much the same with Chanda Ashoka.

Who, as of now, seems more like the Maryada Purushottam than anything else, from his oft repeated commitment to being a praja sevak (God knows what that would mean in practical termsšŸ˜•) going one up on Lord Rama's praja paalak, down to his ek patni vrat resolution. His explanation for the last was rather confused, as well it might, seeing that Bindusara was effectively a Dharma ka daas ever since she resurfaced, and neglected Charumitra and (the by then invisible) Subasri blatantly.

Maybe, just to satisfy the popular demand for Chand Ashoka, he will wake up tonight, find that both the women in his life have vamoosed, and go berserk for all of 10 minutes, midway thru the last episode. Kalinga will be the sole holdout in the positive responses to his ABN invitations, so he will attack it. Kaurwaki will be nearly, mark the nearly, mortally wounded, then she will recover and they will get married and live happily ever after.

So shall we, having been finally liberated from this daily 9 pm millstone round our necks!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: kaatayani

its a rare event when Kaurwaki speaks sense.. i quite liked the things she spoke to Ashok about Chanda's misplaced anger.. however I would have appreciated if the same reasons were given by Radhagupta who was the real patron of Ashok


also it was kind of ironical of Kaurwaki to call Chanda "vikshipt preyasi" given the fact that Kvk herself took insanity and obsession to a different level..

I actually loved Kaurwaki today

Edited by sashashyam - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Will do my best to get it, my dear Krystal. Thanks a lot for these suggestions. Between Ria and you, you would have helped me locate a nice lot of satisfying reads! And as for Sharadindu Banerjee, Ria has been educating us, and me in particular, about the excellence of his writings for quite some time now.

Krystal, do see my post above on last night's episode.

Shyamala/Aunty

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Himavari: You read Sharadindu Banerjee? The guy's the best writer of histo-fiction in the language after Bankimchandra and DL Ray. My personal favourite is "Kumarsambhav er Kobi".


Shyamala: If you can, try to get hold of the English translations of "Jhelum Nodeer Dhare" and "Tungabhadrar Teere". The first one's a stellar short story while the latter is a novel.

Edited by sashashyam - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Actually I am surprised that when the show is close to its finale only then does Kaurwaki does something nice.Something really nice.I am amazed.I could not find a single fault with her yesterday.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Amazing episode😊
I liked that court scene😃


Edited by Nonie12345 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Nonie my dear,

Did you really read my post above and did you really Like it? If you did, which means that you agreed with me, I am puzzled as to how, after the effort I had put in to try and explain why Radhagupt could not have said what Kaurwaki said, and to such good effect, about Chanda, you are still saying the same thing!

Another thing, I know that it is the accepted mantra here that Devi should cling to Ashoka, but in her place, I would have done exactly what she does now.

Firstly, because while Ashoka will stay with her and look after her, he will never belong to her in the way in which he belongs to Kaurwaki.

Secondly, because Devi can see for herself that in matters of state, Kaurwaki is far better at guiding Ashoka and controlling his rash impulses than she could ever be. When faced with his stupidly emotional decision to give the throne, if need be, to Sushim's son, Devi had neither any argument to offer nor any advice. All she did was to trot out her fear of the shraap, which is the last thing she should have done under the circumstances, as it would only strengthen Ashoka in his disastrous decision.

All said and done, as Devi is more committed to Ashoka achieving the goal of ABN than to her own married life, and he will never (again meaninglessly) agree to marry Kaurwaki and vice versa, she is left with only one way out, to leave.

It is a courageous decision, for she loves Ashoka and of course she wants him for herself and for herself alone (love is always possessive, not just in Kaurwaki, as all of you seem to think!). But she does not want to condemn him to a loveless existence, or deprive him of the practical support that Kaurwaki can provide. That too is love. Plus she does not want a lacklustre existence with a husband whose mind is always elsewhere.

Shyamala Aunty

Shyamala Aunty.

Originally posted by: Nonie12345

Amazing episode😊

I liked that court scene😃
I love that ashok made the right decision by kaurwaki's words but I feel that they should have come from radhaguptā­ļø
I always love Devi's characterā¤ļø except when she starts doing Ashwaki jaaap😔
Her idea to asking ashok and kaurawaki marry is wrong.Her decision to leave the palace to reunite them is so stupid😔

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Posted: 8 years ago
I haven't watched the last part of the show but I feel Devi took a right decision by leaving ashok. It's not because of Ashwaki maha milan.It's because it's against her self respect to continue with this loveless and hopeless marriage. Ashok wants to live with her because of the promise he gave to his mother. Their marriage is nothing but a compromise. Forget giving her kaurvaki's place in his life,he will not be able to give her the love and respect that she deserves as his wife.He is the ultimate Romeo who will never move on and continue yearning for his Juliet.
I don't understand why the writers didn't get AshWaki married. It's another case of writers forgetting that this show is set in 3rd century BC and not 21st century AD.šŸ˜†Ashwaki could have happily got married.

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