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Posted: 9 years ago
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When will people realise the true villain of Saathiya is Kokila Modi.
Her actions are truly vile and and she is a master manipulator.

She has got Gopi Modi married off without her consent and forced her to leave the house through emotional blackmail. She refused Gopi's request for a photograph of Ahem.

She allowed Gopi no time to heal from her injuries.

Krishna abused his position as a doctor and she allowed, no begged him to marry her without the consent of her family.

Further all the negative things that have happened to Gopi can be found to originate to her.

She pushed Meera to become the person she is with the way she treated her.

She alienated Gopi's mom after her Radha had died, She pushed Gopi to kill Radha.

She led to Gaura's brother dying through a lie.

She manipulates people every episode.

Why is she allowed to carry on talking about herself in the third person and people not see the evil person she is.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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They shld have killed her character off...nvr liked her..nvr will like her...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Sorry, but I completely disagree with your post. You make one or two good points but the rest of it is simply trashing a character you don't like. (No offence though)

Anything Kokila has done in recent times has been with the intention of bettering Gopi's life. That is all. She has no hidden agenda. If her actions don't lead to good consequences, it is not an indication that she is evil or manipulative. Kokila's main fault has been to act first and think later - that will always be the mark against her character. But if you seriously believe Kokila married Gopi off with negative intentions, we have been watching two different serials.

Originally posted by: amits2001

She has got Gopi Modi married off without her consent and forced her to leave the house through emotional blackmail. She refused Gopi's request for a photograph of Ahem.


Kokila was not acting dishonourably. It's obvious that she believes the marriage will help Gopi recover from being shattered. I DO think Gopi should have the right to take a photo of her late husband. But from Kokila's POV all Gopi would do post-marriage is look at Ahem's photo and it would only exacerbate her emotional toil, so her attitude to the request is still understandable.

Originally posted by: amits2001

She allowed Gopi no time to heal from her injuries.


Which injuries? 😕

Originally posted by: amits2001

Krishna abused his position as a doctor and she allowed, no begged him to marry her without the consent of her family.


Krishna may have abused his position but it wasn't to the detriment of his patient's health. And it was Krishna who was the one who begged Kokila, not the other way round. Don't forget Kokila threw him out when she found out about his intentions. Her mind only changed once she realised the depth of his care for Gopi.

As for getting the consent of her family - what family?!?! Jigar, Paridhi, Monica and Samar are the others in MM. They show no love towards Gopi or Kokila. Instead of being concerned about Gopi's wellbeing post-marriage, the only thing they are worried about is what the community will think of them. That was plainly expressed in today's precap. These monsters don't have an ounce of goodness or rationality left in their beings. They are the ones who have been manipulative and, yes, evil. Kokila phoned up the real people who needed to be consulted - Mota Bhabhi and Baa. Both ladies know fully that Kokila would never knowingly jeopardise Gopi's life so they gave their consent. There was no hint of the two elders being forced to give their consent. So what's the problem? 😕

Originally posted by: amits2001

She pushed Meera to become the person she is with the way she treated her.


Now that is a truly strange comment to make. It was expressed clearly that Meera became bitter after Gopi went to jail and Ahem took the two daughters away from MM. Meera's bitterness has nothing to do with Kokila. Mansi was the one who failed to rein Meera in and stop her from rebelling. But the girl's arrogance is self-inflicted. All this stuff was set in stone after the second leap. So why blame Kokila when she wasn't even allowed be around to offer Meera some support and guidance?

Originally posted by: amits2001

She alienated Gopi's mom after her daughter had died.


No she didn't. It was explicitly stated at the time that Madhu felt jealous of the strong bond between Kokila and Gopi. To say Kokila is directly reponsible for Madhu's behaviour is just laughable. Did Kokila summon the rainstorms that separated Madhu-Jayanti from Urmi-Jitu all those years ago? Before Kokila even knew these people existed? No.

Originally posted by: amits2001

She led to Gaura's brother dying through a lie.


Not quite. There was no lie involved. She merely assumed Karunesh was playing rough with Jigna. Kokila's mistake was to admonish Karunesh before knowing the facts. But she cannot be blamed for Karunesh's suicide. That occurred after he and Gaura left the village. Kokila cannot be held responsible for the man's death. Gaura has wasted 50 years being vengeful towards Kokila for nothing.

I'm surprised people still have issues with Kokila when the character has been toned down significantly over the past six years from the dragon she once was. Even prior to this recent weakening, she was still much more rational and just in her behaviour than back in 2010. As for wanting her killed off - Kokila is one of two main pillars of SNS. The show has always been centred around Gopi-Kokila and that shouldn't change. There are viewers who have watched SNS for years simply for these two. I have family who remark that SNS should end if either Kokila or Gopi die or are axed from the series. Other characters can come and go but these two are surely the most important faces!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Actually both of u make valid points..there is no right or wrong here..i guess its how u see or like a character..no doubt Kokila has been only acting for gopis betterment..but i guess the main thing that irks me about her is how she practically does not listen to anyone..not talking abt jigar paridhi monica and samar here..in the past she never listened to mota bhabi or anyone else with respects to gopi..like when she refused to accept her after she returned after 8 years with vidya despite pleas from the other fam members..another one was vidyas marriage track..again..she insisted on getting vidya married to her best friends grandson...despite gopi and ahem hvg their reservations at the start...what we are seeing today is the ripple effect of all those little decisions she forced on the rest maybe? as u said..her main problem is the shoot first ask questions later habit and this is what is the root of most problems in the mad modi house...if i remember correctly there was a time she was even not happy about ahem spending time with his wife!

Back to the present..nvm abt listening to anyone else..shldnt gopi have a choice in her own marriage? When she clearly wants to just live with ahems memories..why resort to emotional blackmail to get gopi married to the doc? She may be a pillar of sns..but she sure is a damn annoying one..

For that matter..even gopi is annoying at times..with her maaji worship..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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thank you for the well written feedback and responses. You have truly valid points but the truth is that everything negative leads back to Kokila in some way or another.
My comment about Meera's behaviour is not strange at all. There are very direct examples of decisions that Kokila has made.

Accusing Meera of all the things going wrong in the house, practically turning the whole family against her when Rashi was the person actually trying to kill Gopi.

Allowing Radha to enter the house and misleading her about being able to marry into the household. Which led to Radha to carrying out the actions that led to Meera falling into the lake.

The constant belief that lying to people to protect them is right?? Surely Kokila allowed Ahem to leave with her grand daughters. She allowed this to happen and stood by whilst she never communicated across the fact that Gopi was in prison in any way to Meera and Vidya. Instead she decided to live at Urmilla's house and enable Urmilla's pretence that she was crazy.

Clearly she has alienated Jigar, Paridhi and the new girl with her awful behaviour. Surely rather then marrying off her beloved daughter to man she does not know and has clearly has abused his position she should have enlisted some form of care (or even sent Gopi to a care home). Dr Krishna should be removed of his medical license for being a really creepy guy. His actions at the wedding back that up. At what point when Gopi did not want to get married was he okay with carrying it on? At the point Gopi recovered, Gopi should have been allowed to digest what was happening and make her own decision.👏

Gopi is her pet, an experiment. All her decision maybe for the best for Gopi but for the whole family?/??

Oh and don't get me started on how she allowed her grand daughters to be married into a house where they were being bullied. They family in question tried to kill Kokila and Ahem how many times??? in what world do you allow your grand daughter to stay there and be encouraged to marry this people???

Positive music and saying things are done in the name of good doesn't make it moral and correct. Look at the way she treats Pari, it's pretty messed up😳.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: amits2001

Accusing Meera of all the things going wrong in the house, practically turning the whole family against her when Rashi was the person actually trying to kill Gopi.


That was a natural assumption based on Meera's behaviour and attitude towards Gopi. It wasn't a case of blaming somebody out of the blue. How were Kokila or the other Modis meant to know it was Rashi when there was no prior evidence of her having done any wrong?

Originally posted by: amits2001

Allowing Radha to enter the house and misleading her about being able to marry into the household. Which led to Radha to carrying out the actions that led to Meera falling into the lake.


That would have been Gopi's wish in the first place to have her sister in the house with her. Radha only became negative after Rashi Sr. took advantage of her naivety. Her crush on Ahem went wildly out of control after Rashi invented Swayam and then all hell broke loose. It was at that precise point that Radha's demeanour changed for the worse. Kokila was not responsible for Radha's evilness.

Originally posted by: amits2001

The constant belief that lying to people to protect them is right?? Surely Kokila allowed Ahem to leave with her grand daughters. She allowed this to happen and stood by whilst she never communicated across the fact that Gopi was in prison in any way to Meera and Vidya. Instead she decided to live at Urmilla's house and enable Urmilla's pretence that she was crazy.


Ahem took Meera and Vidya away from Rajkot himself. In flashbacks shown after the leap, Kokila tried in vain to stop them from going. Ahem was adamant, Kokila had no clue where they went and was clearly too shattered with grief to think straight. If anyone is to be blamed for not telling the girls that Gopi was in jail, it is Ahem and Mansi, i.e. the people looking after them. It was not Kokila's fault. As for living with Urmila - again, it was explained at the time that Kokila was living the life of a maid to punish herself, though she had done no wrong.

Originally posted by: amits2001

Clearly she has alienated Jigar, Paridhi and the new girl with her awful behaviour.


Are you serious?! Kokila has once again been shattered for the last 4/5 years since Ahem's death. It is strongly implied that she has not raised her voice in all that time until last week when she announced Gopi's marriage, which is why Paridhi has gained the upper hand and was able to bring in her ideal bahu Monica. If Koki had been in her senses, she would have outright refused and Monica would not even be standing in MM today. If anybody has alienated people, it is disgusting Paridhi, not Kokila. Jigar is a puppet who dances to Paridhi's tunes, while Monica simply licks the backend of her momji. Even Sahir told Jigar after the latest leap that it is nobody other than Paridhi who is responsible for the problems in MM. Kokila is not to be blamed for the behaviour of those disgusting monsters who have taken over the house.

Originally posted by: amits2001

Surely rather then marrying off her beloved daughter to man she does not know and has clearly has abused his position she should have enlisted some form of care (or even sent Gopi to a care home). Dr Krishna should be removed of his medical license for being a really creepy guy. His actions at the wedding back that up. At what point when Gopi did not want to get married was he okay with carrying it on? At the point Gopi recovered, Gopi should have been allowed to digest what was happening and make her own decision.👏


First of all of course she knows Krishna. As for enlisting some form of care, have you been watching at all? Jigar stated that they hired several doctors and nurses to care for Gopi over the past few years, but all had given up the task. Krishna was the only doctor who should some form of empathy for Gopi-Kokila. As for creepy, well that's a petty comment to make. Falling in love with somebody does not make them creepy. While disgusting Paridhi sat on her ungrateful butt soaking up the luxuries of MM, Krishna and Kokila tended to Gopi alone. I agree Gopi should have had some say in her marriage, but the wedding ceremony has at least woken her from her depression. The cold hard fact is that Kokila would not knowingly jeopardise Gopi's life.

Originally posted by: amits2001

Gopi is her pet, an experiment. All her decision maybe for the best for Gopi but for the whole family?/??


Gopi was bullied and dominated by Urmila and Rashi from childhood. She became so intimidated and quiet that it took her the best part of 20 years to learn to raise her voice. Kokila is the one who armed Gopi with strength, education and braveness. Unless you've missed the hundreds of times it has been indicated in the SNS scripts, Kokila and Gopi have since formed the bond of a mother-daughter. It is simply not the case of an owner and a pet. Yes, dominating her bahu certainly WAS Kokila's intention when she brought Gopi to MM all those years ago. But over time she grew to accept Gopi, realised that she cared deeply for her, stood up to her own son for Gopi's rights. As for whether it's best for the whole family - CVs seem keen to show that Gopi is the glue that holds the Modis together. This is obvious when you consider how badly the family has collapsed whenever Gopi has been away or in her own bubble.

Originally posted by: amits2001

Oh and don't get me started on how she allowed her grand daughters to be married into a house where they were being bullied. They family in question tried to kill Kokila and Ahem how many times??? in what world do you allow your grand daughter to stay there and be encouraged to marry this people???


The bully was simply Gaura and Gaura alone. Dharam, Durga and Shravan were under the woman's thumb. I will agree with you that it was wrong of Kokila to agree for her granddaughters to be married into the Suryavanshis straight away. BUT she had no idea that the girls would be mistreated by Gaura, nor that Gaura was planning to take completely baseless revenge. All Kokila saw was that the close childhood friend that disappeared suddenly had come back into her life, and why shouldn't she trust her when the two of them were like sisters in their youth?

Originally posted by: amits2001

Look at the way she treats Pari, it's pretty messed up😳.


W*F? Are you trolling?! 😲
Edited by Catmittens - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I love Koki's character the best on the show and it is for her that I watch it on and off.
If you are going to blame her for bad decisions, you must also give her credit for the good ones.

She is a very strong person and takes all decisions for the family because nobody else ever steps forwards to take any responsibility or even offers help. She could stand back and let the family drown but she chooses to step forward every time. Sometime her decisions works out spectacularly and some times not. When one makes decisions all the time -- this is what happens and some decisions are bound to fail catastrophically. She still doesn't step back, takes responsibility for her mistakes, and moves on salvaging what she can.

She is also able to impose her decisions on others, because she makes sense. She speaks with conviction, presents her arguments clearly, and almost always justify her POV. The rest of the family is rarely able to do that and just ends up screaming or shouting.

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Originally posted by: Catmittens

Sorry, but I completely disagree with your post. You make one or two good points but the rest of it is simply trashing a character you don't like. (No offence though)

Anything Kokila has done in recent times has been with the intention of bettering Gopi's life. That is all. She has no hidden agenda. If her actions don't lead to good consequences, it is not an indication that she is evil or manipulative. Kokila's main fault has been to act first and think later - that will always be the mark against her character. But if you seriously believe Kokila married Gopi off with negative intentions, we have been watching two different serials.


Kokila was not acting dishonourably. It's obvious that she believes the marriage will help Gopi recover from being shattered. I DO think Gopi should have the right to take a photo of her late husband. But from Kokila's POV all Gopi would do post-marriage is look at Ahem's photo and it would only exacerbate her emotional toil, so her attitude to the request is still understandable.


Which injuries?😕


Krishna may have abused his position but it wasn't to the detriment of his patient's health. And it was Krishna who was the one who begged Kokila, not the other way round. Don't forget Kokila threw him out when she found out about his intentions. Her mind only changed once she realised the depth of his care for Gopi.

As for getting the consent of her family - what family?!?! Jigar, Paridhi, Monica and Samar are the others in MM. They show no love towards Gopi or Kokila. Instead of being concerned about Gopi's wellbeing post-marriage, the only thing they are worried about is what the community will think of them. That was plainly expressed in today's precap. These monsters don't have an ounce of goodness or rationality left in their beings. They are the ones who have been manipulative and, yes, evil. Kokila phoned up the real people who needed to be consulted - Mota Bhabhi and Baa. Both ladies know fully that Kokila would never knowingly jeopardise Gopi's life so they gave their consent. There was no hint of the two elders being forced to give their consent. So what's the problem?😕


Now that is a truly strange comment to make. It was expressed clearly that Meera became bitter after Gopi went to jail and Ahem took the two daughters away from MM. Meera's bitterness has nothing to do with Kokila. Mansi was the one who failed to rein Meera in and stop her from rebelling. But the girl's arrogance is self-inflicted. All this stuff was set in stone after the second leap. So why blame Kokila when she wasn't even allowed be around to offer Meera some support and guidance?


No she didn't. It was explicitly stated at the time that Madhu felt jealous of the strong bond between Kokila and Gopi. To say Kokila is directly reponsible for Madhu's behaviour is just laughable. Did Kokila summon the rainstorms that separated Madhu-Jayanti from Urmi-Jitu all those years ago? Before Kokila even knew these people existed? No.


Not quite. There was no lie involved. She merely assumed Karunesh was playing rough with Jigna. Kokila's mistake was to admonish Karunesh before knowing the facts. But she cannot be blamed for Karunesh's suicide. That occurred after he and Gaura left the village. Kokila cannot be held responsible for the man's death. Gaura has wasted 50 years being vengeful towards Kokila for nothing.

I'm surprised people still have issues with Kokila when the character has been toned down significantly over the past six years from the dragon she once was. Even prior to this recent weakening, she was still much more rational and just in her behaviour than back in 2010. As for wanting her killed off - Kokila is one of two main pillars of SNS. The show has always been centred around Gopi-Kokila and that shouldn't change. There are viewers who have watched SNS for years simply for these two. I have family who remark that SNS should end if either Kokila or Gopi die or are axed from the series. Other characters can come and go but these two are surely the most important faces!




completely agree with u catmittens


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Posted: 9 years ago
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The true villain keeps on going strong!
How has she miracullously become able to see without glasses and walk normally without the stick??

The truth is she was putting it on to manipulate the rest of the family to her own end as she always does.

She has shown evil powers as well, precognition... when she enters into her monologue fearing something has happened to Gopi (as seen in the episode where Gopi finds out about the adoption)

She continually is treating her family unequally and giving preferential treatment to only one person in the family.

She even got into an accident to carry on manipulating Gopi after her wedding even though she took vows to show they had no formal relationship.

True villain, she reminds me of Emperor Palpatine in the first three Star Wars films plotting the background and making everyone moved to her own ends whilst false villains take the limelight and the attention away from her!
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Kokila has taken a lot of wrong decisions. The problem with her is that she accuses people without knowing the other side of the coin. When Meera got lost, she blamed Gopi though she knows that Gopi cannot deliberately harm anybody especially her own daughter. She accused Karunesh, thinking that he was misbehaving with her sister Jigna though she is not responsible for his suicide.

She unexpectedly supported Paridhi to marry Jigar though it was too early for him to decide about remarrying. I agree that Kokila has done a lot of blunders. When she decides about something, she won't listen to anyone. However, I disagree with some of the points.

Kokila never let Ahem leave MM after Gopi went to jail after having killed Radha. On the contrary, she tried to stop him but Ahem was adamant.

If she had got Kinjal married to Dhawal, it was her fault. Her affair with Umang had become public with the blackmark revealing about her pregnancy although she faked it. Kinjal had brought the disgrace to the family and she never left her with any other option other than getting her married to Dhawal. Kokila was initially rude to Gopi but she changed only when her mom came and gave the best wife award to Rashi because she got husband's love. It was only then she stood before Ahem for Gopi's rights as a wife.

However, in Dr. Krishna's case, I don' t agree that she begged before Krishna to marry Gopi. It is the other way round. It was Krishna who brought the proposal. Kokila and others didn't agree and threw him out. When Gopi fell sick, no one had even bothered to call the family doctor. It was Krishna who treated her. When her room was burnt with fire, no one came forward to save her but they were only screaming and standing like zombies. It was Dr. Krishna who took the initiative to save her. It was only then Kokila was convinced. Taking all the factors in consideration, she had decided to get Gopi remarried but after Gopi got back to normal, she shouldn't have forced her to marry Krishna. That was the mistake she made.

Kokila has dumped Vidya to Gaura's house but she didn't know that Gaura was evil. But she never listened to Ahem or Gopi or Baa or Hetal.

Kokila has taken wrong decisions but at that time she does what she feels is right at that point of time and she won't listen to anyone.

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