Season 5 Episode 3 - No Refills

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Posted: 10 years ago

Hopper_Ocean usually opens this thread but I am going restless so opened it .. hope it's okay with you all

So lot's of happenings in one episode .. after a magnificent start 2nd episode was relatively plain probably to set us for 3rd episode. So now Mike has a big case .. I must say I liked Mike-Zane thingy

But, it's not Mike but Harvey who makes a good episode great .. so that happened again .. the great Harvey Specter had another panic attack and it was bad. But this man has that rock-solid attitude even in the worst situation. This Jack guy [don't remember his surname as I keep calling his name coupling up with a poor animal's name😆] is getting on my nerve but he reminds me of Harman .. the big bag man of the season .. I love to hate them

I felt Donna had every right to give Harvey a reality check but her timing couldn't be worse .. I know Harvey has his flaws but I don't want Donna to snap at him at every instance .. at least not now .. however, the scene in the therapist's house was creepy .. was it Harvey's imagination? Did he hallucinate?? I watched the scene again and again and it seems like the psychiatrist was saying something else when Harvey was saying the stabbing in the gut thing to Donna

Guys plzz share your views .. I am eager to hear and discuss

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blacklambo

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Posted: 10 years ago

Fine by me if u opened the thread for discussion.

Harvey said in a season before, "I am against having emotions, not against using them". Yet, the 2 people he is shown to have emotions for are Mike & Donna & these are the only 2 with whom he opens up (feel he also cares for Jessica but might not to this extent). Last season, he realized that fact about Mike & this season, he is coming to terms with the extent of his & Donna dynamics. Viewed against Harvey's background, opening up so soon with Dr. Paula Agard would seem misplaced. But place Donna in the situation & u can have Harvey go a step further. I thought the switch was a smart move & a breakthrough for Harvey in the session. Donna leaving him has stirred emotions in Harvey that he is trying to clamp down. The knife twisting in the gut comment needs further elaboration since it was introduced so suddenly & was the very last statement of the session. They kinda left it unexplained at this point.

On the other hand, Mike made Jessica accept the case with Robert Zane by hook or by crook 😆.

Mike got both - the client to sign & the judge to rule in their favor, with Zane just being a spectator. He won Zane's admiration & lunch (Zane might have purposely stepped aside on this one to see what makes Mike 😉).

Somewhere, in between Mike also managed to successfully accomplish the task assigned by Harvey.

Mike & Harvey dynamics makes Suits, imo. Harvey admitted to his panic attack with Mike & the concern Mike showed was heartwarming, not just then but also by staying back to ensure that Harvey was ok at the end of the day. Amongst the many qualities I admire in Mike, one is that Harvey's permission is very important to him. He had asked for Harvey's permission to go work for Jonathan Sidwell at the end of s3. In this episode again, he did not leave till Harvey said to him in front of Zane, go, if you have to.

The partner's name standing against Harvey is Jack Soloff. His going after not 1 but 3 name partners was a not so smart move. He challenged Jessica, strong armed Louis & openly went ballistic against Harvey. He has dug his own grave at the firm. His ego will be his undoing. Suddenly, Louis seems not so stupid compared to Soloff but the show is determined to make a better person of Louis' character. Rachel being mentored by Jessica could open the doors for Jessica to accept Mike wholeheartedly at some point.

Last but not the least, Gretchen is a keeper. Just 2 episodes into this season & she is already off to an impressive start.

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hopper_ocean

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Posted: 10 years ago

I was suppose to watch it that day but got so busy with work and kids. Just finished watching. Loved the episode. Shall be back with my comments later :) thanks for opening the tread ya.

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Posted: 10 years ago

Loveee your darvey siggs!!

Ok so i liked the episode but i was not totally glued to it this time until yhe end which was interesting. I was waiting all episode for harveys pa. Im sad donna didnt see it. But i did love harveys psych meeting and him displacing his anger on the therapist imagining it to be donna. It told us fans so much. But im nervous about next week with louis sister. I really hope harvey doesnt sleep with her. I dont care bout a dinner date or something but if he sleeps with her ill he pissrd off at him just bc he literally jist told donma he loved her but cant make cake from the batter. If he starts something with someone else itll really tick me off.

Mike and zane was awesome. Real bonding and frankly robert saw a deeper side not just a wanna be harvey spector in him. He finally started respecting him. That needed to happen.

Jack solaf is pissing me off.

Loved gretchen. I dont want her to leave.

Donnas anger at harvey is justified but i think shes really taking it way to harshley and needs to back off a little bit. She seriously wont let harvey live it down and idk if its her way of breaking him down or shes just being annoying and venting. I love her i do but its making me feel so sorry for harvey.

Louis needs to grow a pair and seriously stick it to solaf and be a named partner for once and help harvey and jessica. He has got to own up.

Loved jessica and rachel bonding. I wonder if zane and jessica will get together though. Loved him sayibg i love you as she left. Too funny.

Overall decent episode enjoyable but i wasnt totally glued to it.was on my phone for most of it. I think ending was brilliant. Harveys therapy session was the most intense moment. And his pa with mike being witness and supporting him.. that bromance moment was second best.

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: blacklambo
Fine by me if u opened the thread for discussion.
Harvey said in a season before, "I am against having emotions, not against using them". Yet, the 2 people he is shown to have emotions for are Mike & Donna & these are the only 2 with whom he opens up (feel he also cares for Jessica but might not to this extent). Last season, he realized that fact about Mike & this season, he is coming to terms with the extent of his & Donna dynamics. Viewed against Harvey's background, opening up so soon with Dr. Paula Agard would seem misplaced. But place Donna in the situation & u can have Harvey go a step further. I thought it was a smart move & a breakthrough for Harvey in the session. Donna leaving him has stirred emotions in Harvey that he is trying to clamp down. The knife twisting in the gut comment needs further elaboration since it was introduced so suddenly & was the very last statement of the session. They kinda left it unexplained at this point.

On the other hand, Mike made Jessica accept the case with Robert Zane by hook or by crook 😆.
Mike got both - the client to sign & the judge to rule in their favor, with Zane just being a spectator. He won Zane's admiration & lunch (Zane might have purposely stepped aside on this one to see what makes Mike 😉).
Somewhere, in between Mike also managed to successfully accomplish the task assigned by Harvey.

Mike & Harvey dynamics makes Suits, imo. Harvey admitted to his panic attack with Mike & the concern Mike showed was heartwarming, not just then but also by staying back to ensure that Harvey was ok at the end of the day. Amongst the many qualities I admire in Mike, one is that Harvey's permission is very important to him. He had asked for Harvey's permission to go work for Jonathan Sidwell at the end of s3. In this episode again, he did not leave till Harvey said to him in front of Zane, go, if you have to.

The partner's name standing against Harvey is Jack Soloff. His going after not 1 but 3 name partners was a not so smart move. He challenged Jessica, strong armed Louis & openly went ballistic against Harvey. He has dug his own grave at the firm. His ego will be his undoing. Suddenly, Louis seems not so stupid compared to Soloff but the show is determined to make a better person of Louis' character. Rachel being mentored by Jessica could open the doors for Jessica to accept Mike wholeheartedly at some point.

Last but not the least, Gretchen is a keeper. Just 2 episodes into this season & she is already off to an impressive start.

Loved ur takr 👏

And i think jessica said it best in the rpisode. Harvey needs to get his abondonment issues sorted

Donna leaving him. Someone whose been there througy thick and thing for years and is literally family to him and he loves.. left him. His mom left his dad and i think thats where all this stems from. He thinks donna cheated him by leaving him and abondoned him when he needed her. Thats where these panic attacks are coming from. Plus things not going right for him atm magnified his attacks. I loved gretchen when she said she used to have them when her husband died but she doesnt have them anymore. Time heals. And time will heal harvey too.

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Posted: 10 years ago

Honestly the new season is having its high's and low's. Its not totally engrossing.

Mike's role and story is getting better and so is Rachel's. Jessica stands consistent and her new bonding with Rach looks promising.

Donna is now annoying and so is Litt. How long can they show Litt going deeper in jealousy with Harvey, its boring now. Writers should evolve and not be stuck up with Ekta effect.😆

Coming to Harvey's character its been portrayed to be been strong, manipulative, fighter, integrity and loyal but suddenly turn into meek, insipid, obsessive and fragile. Too much of this is going to tick the viewers off. Donna was loyal to Harvey and her going away is a setback but let it NOT be the death of Harvey's strength. All this melodrama is creating distasteful sympathy for Harvey and Donna is coming across as the evil one.

The therapist is annoying and the sessions are boring. Gretchen is good and should be given more screen space.

The one thing which is still puzzling is why is Donna angry on Harvey and how did she escape jail? This new spiteful Donna is annoying now, she was loyal to Harvey and suddenly all that flew over. Kaput?😕

Mike and Robert were good and may be they will show Harvey feeling Mike may leave him. 😆 The way Robert tells him call me Dad😆😆 and Mike is really?😆😆

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: realitybites
Honestly the new season is having its high's and low's. Its not totally engrossing.
Mike's role and story is getting better and so is Rachel's. Jessica stands consistent and her new bonding with Rach looks promising.

Donna is now annoying and so is Litt. How long can they show Litt going deeper in jealousy with Harvey, its boring now. Writers should evolve and not be stuck up with Ekta effect.😆

Coming to Harvey's character its been portrayed to be been strong, manipulative, fighter, integrity and loyal but suddenly turn into meek, insipid, obsessive and fragile. Too much of this is going to tick the viewers off. Donna was loyal to Harvey and her going away is a setback but let it NOT be the death of Harvey's strength. All this melodrama is creating distasteful sympathy for Harvey and Donna is coming across as the evil one.

The therapist is annoying and the sessions are boring. Gretchen is good and should be given more screen space.

The one thing which is still puzzling is why is Donna angry on Harvey and how did she escape jail? This new spiteful Donna is annoying now, she was loyal to Harvey and suddenly all that flew over. Kaput?😕

Mike and Robert were good and may be they will show Harvey feeling Mike may leave him. 😆 The way Robert tells him call me Dad😆😆 and Mike is really?😆😆

I have to disagree about the harvey part but rest i agree.

Harvey veing depicted tge way he is this season is actually delving more into his character than ever seen before. Harvey has always been strong, always wins, always is so kickass and almost non human. Normal people do not always win, arent always strong, and have flaws. We have never seen a real flaw of harvey. We finally get to see it this season and its coming after donna left. Not because of some romance typical majnu behavior but because it taps into harvey deep down where he has underlying abandonment issues, fears of commitment, fears of getting close to someome and using emotion. We finally are able to see that harvry can be a human being and fail and hurt. And i think thats ok. Its far from being annoying in my pov. Im more interested in seeing how he handles these situations and grows from them rather than see him always be the same old butt kicking cocky self absorbed winner. Which i love btw but i want different and i want to see more of his real self and what makes harvey weak.

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Posted: 10 years ago

I don't think Harvey is suddenly turned into a meek or weak persona .. he is still the magnificent Harvey Specter .. the way he stood up to Jack in the middle of panic attack proved he is Harvey Specter who can kick asses even in worst situation .. for me that's the definition of a rock-solid man

I loved Gretchen .. Harvey really needs her now .. she really has his back and I loved the last scene when she talked about her experience with panic attack

Mike Zane scenes were cool but it was Harvey Mike bromance at the end which takes the cake .. I guess this time Harvey has a secret and Mike has to save it

about Donna I love her and I don't blame her for anything .. Harvey really brought everything upon him .. still I want Donna to stop now .. that's true that Harvey needs to understand even if Donna leaves Louis, there is less chances that she will be back to him .. but was it absolutely needed to tell him al this when he is already fighting with so many problems.. however, loved the therapy session .. no matter what Darvey chemistry is always a treat to watch

I found Rachel as usually boring .. even ever gorgeous and awesome Jessica can't turn her interesting for me .. only thing she does good [to me] is she makes Laurel Lance (Arrow) bearable

About the stabbing in the gut thing I too feel we should get a further explanation .. why would Donna say "how does it feel to be on the receiving end for once" [yaah it was't Donna but it has been said due to some reason right].. and what did Harvey meant by giving it back ?? BTW I won't mind even if Harvey sleeps with Ester .. it will be only an one night stand and nothing more

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Posted: 10 years ago

@BolnaHalke thanks for liking the siggs .. found it on Tumbler .. I have saved numbers of Darvey edits in my lappy but I can't stack so can use one set at a time .. requested my sis to stack some but it's an expensive deal😆

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Posted: 10 years ago

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Originally posted by: -BolNaHalke-

Loved ur takr 👏

And i think jessica said it best in the rpisode. Harvey needs to get his abondonment issues sorted

Donna leaving him. Someone whose been there througy thick and thing for years and is literally family to him and he loves.. left him. His mom left his dad and i think thats where all this stems from. He thinks donna cheated him by leaving him and abondoned him when he needed her. Thats where these panic attacks are coming from. Plus things not going right for him atm magnified his attacks. I loved gretchen when she said she used to have them when her husband died but she doesnt have them anymore. Time heals. And time will heal harvey too.

BNH, Thanks much 😃.

I agree that Donna leaving has messed up Harvey & it all stems from his abandonment & commitment-phobic issues. Tragically, he might believe that he has been put in the same situation as his Dad & fearing a repeat of that scenario is bringing on these panic attacks. Sayanee, till we get to know his background, it will be hard to form a conclusion & explain his twisting the knife in gut statement.

I also agree with you & Sayanee about humanizing Harvey, otherwise he will become an un-relatable character. The process that began with Mike is following a natural progression in s5 with Donna. I am not even blaming Donna for her stance ATM. For one, she is not even aware that Harvey is having panic attacks, much less that she might be a probable cause. Two, it does come across that Harvey has been taking her for granted given this conversation.

Paula: Well, I may not be Donna, but I'm beginning to see what it's like to be her... I'm talking about, I'm a woman who you've been bullying to get what you want.
Harvey: Bullying? I'm paying you.
Paula: And that doesn't mean I exist to serve your needs.
Harvey: Well it goddamn well should.
Paula: If you spoke to Donna that way, no wonder she left you. Because you don't just pay people to be loyal.
Harvey: How dare you? I don't give a shit about the money and I never did...

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