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Posted: 10 years ago
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I always think that creatives are very unfair to children. Most of the things they show from adult's perspective - in the bargain, they show injustice towards children. Why is it so? Is it because child actors don't have fan following and people will not raise issues if children are not treated fairly instead only adult's sentiments are taken care of?
So what if my this belief led to so much mocking in forum that one person made a whole thread for me. I still feel creatives are very unfair towards children. Do they love drama so much? I still have not forgotten how the track included the girl in orphanage being made to believe Anandi is her mother and within minutes suffered heart break because Anandi recognised she is not her long lost daughter. Just to show Anandi's (an adult) disappointment, they did so much injustice towards the little girl. The orphanage incharge as well as Anandi could have checked details including the birthmark before letting the girl know. But for drama's sake they did opposite.

They show so much violence against little Nimboli. And that include possible prospective sexual violence also - what is the need to show so much about this angle that the very sight of Kundan has become repulsive? And why make a little girl talk like a dadi and always spying on her in-laws? If they want to gain sympathy towards Nimboli - at least stop this spying business.

In current Ratan- Mannu track again they are very unfair towards the child. They took care of Jagya, Ganga, Ratan and Bimala's sentiments. What about Mannu's sentiments? Drama can be created even without making a child go through so much turmoil and making his birthday a sad day for all his life. Why J wanted to tell Mannu is known, why Ganga did not want to tell Mannu is also known. Both of them were right in their own place. The issue was tricky - a ten years old child may not take this seriously and therefore it may not harm him. It is also possible that a ten years old child will alienate himself from the family after getting to know that he does not belong here - that only his mother is his real relative here. Ratan's sentiments were also understandable - he wanted to meet his son one last time before his death and Bimala wanted to fulfill his only son's wish. All this was still possible - if the track was changed and instead of dying in arms of Mannu - Rat felt happy and in time may be cured of his disease. But they wanted high voltage drama and gave the child so much shock in a very short span of time.

BV has shown very progressive track from time to time. They have shown widow remarriage, widow applying haldi to would be bride, menhdi on widows, widows playing holi etc. etc. Why they still turn to age old belief again? What Bimala desired (Mannu giving mukhagni to Rat) was selfish and due to age old norms. But what happened to DS, J, Ganga and even Anandi? Is it correct that to get mukti - son has to give chita me agni? They could make Ganga/J/DS or Anandi tell that it is not necessary. They can arrange for cremation on humanitarian ground, but they will not let Mannu to go through so much shock - that it will be unfair towards Mannu. (I don't remember clearly but perhaps they did show Anandi giving mukhagni to her mother - why not show something even now?) Why give in to Bimala's belief as if that is the universal truth?

And again the spoilers are grim - do they want to make a sensible child into a runaway child and in all this crisis finding solace in his girlfriend? What has happened to BV? I wish they see this post and understand that there are people who think from the child's viewpoint also.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Puja just imagine the impact of the violence on the child actors who are performing the roles. If it is wrong for an 11 year old to be molested, then it can't be right to make a child perform it -- even if it happens in real life.
These are not completely easy choices if the story requires molestation in the script. But maybe they can suggest it without directly involving the kids.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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It is a bad impression on the actor playing Kundan also. So what if his mother explained him before hand - and he is a little older -may be around 17-18 years old - it may affect him also. Thank God - they did not show in-laws in any inappropriate moments during all those spying sessions of Nimboli. It is OK if she heard their talk while doing her work - but this active spying by such a young girl looks very odd.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Same Ratan - Mannu track could have been in handled in a much more positive, mature way. But then CVs want unnecessary drama and maybe they are creating some future track thru this drama. If Ratan-Mannu revelation was handled in mature manner, then future drama perspective would have reduced. Even while revealing this truth they kept Abhi out of this. He will get his shock at another time, most probably be another worst timing!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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It seems deliberate - they are disclosing things selectively. So, Mannu got to know about Anandi & J's relationship and his own parentage - this created drama for few episode. These things conveniently hidden from Shivam and Abhi. Perhaps they will also get to know in future in installments to created further drama in future episodes - so much about a serial against social evils😕. They are now using the secrets just like they used Gauri and Khajan Singh - keep them in cold storage and bring out selectively for drama. Who knows when they run out of ideas - they may bring Gahna and family and Bhairvi getting shocked after learning that her bapusa is actually not her bapusa😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Well it is very distressing to see children go through hardships and facing such tough situations in life
But what they are showing is it far from reality?

I don't want to say about that scene in the orphanage because it was a very badly written scene just to show that Anandi has been searching for her child for the past 11 years and the trail has reached Jhalra where Nandini is taken to. It was written in haste


But the rest of it - Well what Nimboli/Nandini is facing is it far from reality? Child marriage is a reality in places where it is norm they forget that the little girl is a child but only remember that she is wife and daughter in law and burden her with those responsibilities at such a tender age.
Molestation- yes we definitely don't have stomach to see that.But isn't that a reality too?
Yes at times she is shown eve's dropping but does it happen only in shows? Don't kids react at times to the conversations they have overheard ?At times she comes across like someone much older than her real age but most of the time she behaves like a child of her age should behave.

Kundan is still young and yet he is repulsive.But wasn't one of the convicted in the case of Nirbhaya an underaged kid?Is his behaviour far from reality?
Kundan is very much a product of his upbringing. He has seen his father abusing and slapping his mother at the slightest provocation.He has seen how his father considers his own daughter a burden.Is it any wonder that he is like what he is.He is in awe of his father. A boy who grew up in an environment like this would he behave any differently in reality?

Mannu's case - both his mother and father were right in their places but don't we see the decisions taken in the best interests of kids backfiring in a big way? Don't we see children paying for the wrong decisions taken by their parents around us?
Mannu's behaviour - So far Mannu had a very carefree existence.Had a very stable secure family environment with very loving parents grandmother and an aunt brother/cousin and well adjusted in life. Enjoying his first love first crush. So him turning out to be a sensible kid is only expected.Till now he just fulfilled the expectations we have from a child whose childhood has been a very happy one.
Bottom line is when the going is good it is easy to be good but if life takes a turn for worse whether we still remain sensible or not is what defines us.
Mannu is thrown off balance and he is angry hurt confused frustrated and his behaviour just shows those emotions he is going through. What defines him is how soon he will gather himself and regains his balance. So don't think there is anything unrealistic in his behaviour.

As a parallel they have already shown Shiv's case.He too was thrown off balance and he felt the same way as Mannu is feeling now but it is just that he was mature understanding man in his early thirties so his behaviour was much controlled than Mannu's is.Wouldn't want to judge Mannu's behaviour in his current state of mind because what defines him is how he gathers himself after being thrown off balance.

As for the child actors - it is the choice that parents ofthose kids made on their behalf.

Handling molestation scenes - I think they have shown it quite sensibly till now.

There was child bride Ganga's molestation which was only implied but never shown also there was another instance of paedophila in Dsa's school - the scenes were handled sensibly without showing the gruesome details.

Difficult to see children suffering but why blame the CVs when worse things are happening in the society?


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Posted: 10 years ago
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It is about one's own perspective unless the dialogues clarify what creatives actually want to say. In Shiv's case I felt he was devastated to know that he was not considered mature enough to know the truth even though he was married and around 30 years old. It did not look like he was shocked and in grief to know that he is not Alok and Ira's son. He was in shock because of Alok and Meenu's behaviour even going to the extent of threatening the nurse and destroying the hospital record by bribing the clerk etc.
Child marriage is a reality - but most child brides do not face what this serial wants us to believe. The groom and his family are not generally monsters, the child bride don't generally work like a maid - she works as much as she would have in her parents home - the dramatic turn around in life of child bride that the serial portrays is so wrong.

The molestation and Kundan's behaviour - we know about rapists who are children - but is it not repulsive how they show Kundan's behaviour repeatedly? It can be handled sensibly - just like Akheraj violence it is getting to repetitive without any justification. Kundan's stare is even more cringe worthy that Bala's (Mangalore case). And that Kundan's friend looks very gross with his body language. Even if they want to paint Kundan like a predator - it should not be repeated every now and then.

I am protesting because they show good things in glimpses and bad things continue on and on.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SPuja


I am protesting because they show good things in glimpses and bad things continue on and on.



They show Nimboli using surf water and oil to skid elders, throwing stones, adding chilli powder to cool drink etc..

What if children observe and try? I fear.

They should be disapproved properly with help of other characters in the following scenes better in the same episode.


Edited by Cool-n-Fresh - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Progression and bv one step ahead so two steps behind. Till now they have not got over kacche umar ki pakka rishta.
Anandi Mar bhi jayegi phir bhi bhoot banke badi haveli mein ghumegi.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SPuja

I always think that creatives are very unfair to children. Most of the things they show from adult's perspective - in the bargain, they show injustice towards children. Why is it so? Is it because child actors don't have fan following and people will not raise issues if children are not treated fairly instead only adult's sentiments are taken care of?

So what if my this belief led to so much mocking in forum that one person made a whole thread for me. I still feel creatives are very unfair towards children. Do they love drama so much? I still have not forgotten how the track included the girl in orphanage being made to believe Anandi is her mother and within minutes suffered heart break because Anandi recognised she is not her long lost daughter. Just to show Anandi's (an adult) disappointment, they did so much injustice towards the little girl. The orphanage incharge as well as Anandi could have checked details including the birthmark before letting the girl know. But for drama's sake they did opposite.

They show so much violence against little Nimboli. And that include possible prospective sexual violence also - what is the need to show so much about this angle that the very sight of Kundan has become repulsive? And why make a little girl talk like a dadi and always spying on her in-laws? If they want to gain sympathy towards Nimboli - at least stop this spying business.

In current Ratan- Mannu track again they are very unfair towards the child. They took care of Jagya, Ganga, Ratan and Bimala's sentiments. What about Mannu's sentiments? Drama can be created even without making a child go through so much turmoil and making his birthday a sad day for all his life. Why J wanted to tell Mannu is known, why Ganga did not want to tell Mannu is also known. Both of them were right in their own place. The issue was tricky - a ten years old child may not take this seriously and therefore it may not harm him. It is also possible that a ten years old child will alienate himself from the family after getting to know that he does not belong here - that only his mother is his real relative here. Ratan's sentiments were also understandable - he wanted to meet his son one last time before his death and Bimala wanted to fulfill his only son's wish. All this was still possible - if the track was changed and instead of dying in arms of Mannu - Rat felt happy and in time may be cured of his disease. But they wanted high voltage drama and gave the child so much shock in a very short span of time.

BV has shown very progressive track from time to time. They have shown widow remarriage, widow applying haldi to would be bride, menhdi on widows, widows playing holi etc. etc. Why they still turn to age old belief again? What Bimala desired (Mannu giving mukhagni to Rat) was selfish and due to age old norms. But what happened to DS, J, Ganga and even Anandi? Is it correct that to get mukti - son has to give chita me agni? They could make Ganga/J/DS or Anandi tell that it is not necessary. They can arrange for cremation on humanitarian ground, but they will not let Mannu to go through so much shock - that it will be unfair towards Mannu. (I don't remember clearly but perhaps they did show Anandi giving mukhagni to her mother - why not show something even now?) Why give in to Bimala's belief as if that is the universal truth?

And again the spoilers are grim - do they want to make a sensible child into a runaway child and in all this crisis finding solace in his girlfriend? What has happened to BV? I wish they see this post and understand that there are people who think from the child's viewpoint also.

nice post. tho may b i disagree wid u on sum pts abt emotions of bimal & ratan but only a bit or hav difft POV. but u really raised a gud quesn why not 2 take kids sentiment in considern & moreover wid drama which cud b avoided.that was not needed.😕
no its not that only son has 2 give mukhagni or only bio kids can do that. if sum1 doesn't've any1 in their family doesn't mean they won't get mukti after cremation.but as usual CVs wanted the drama.
@bold thatswhy i m against this .mannu is shown a sensible boy . imagine it 4 the sake of drama he suddenly fell 4 pooja whom he use 2 dislike a lot as she use 2 disturb him in his studies. and now hes MU his father who'd done so much 4 him & showed trust & belief in him.
why will he MU his parents if hes made understand .
why he bcum a runaway child either going 2 his so-called GF or his so-called maasi.😕

and i agree that BV CVs r showing the bad things in details & gud ones r rushed up.

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