horcruxes hallows and wands my theory

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Posted: 18 years ago
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there is confusion about all of this

and i wonder if i make this new thread and if its ok

lets start with horcruxes

dumbledore explains in book 6 about horcrux and that voldemort may have created 7 of them

split his soul in 7 parts

1) riddle diary destroyed in book 2 by harry

2) marvolo ring destroyed in book 6 by dumbledore

3) slytherin locket stolen then found and destroyed by ron in book 7

4) helga hufflepuff cup found in gringotts destroyed by hermoine in book 7

5) ravenclaw diadnem found by harry destroyed by fire in book 7

6) i beleive is harry himself which neither voldemort nor harry knew and voldemort kills him actually and destroyin this horcrux which wud explain the force i wud tell later

7) nagini destroyed by neville

then voldemort becomes a mere mortal only as he thought he had elder wand plus he had made 6known horcruxes not knowing abt harry as 7th at all

remember the prophecy

for the dark lord knows not the power he has

meaning voldemort did not know he had transferred lots of his power in harry and in the wand in book 4 where they meet in graveyard and voldemort rises taking harry blood

dumbledore explains this to harry in kingcross chapter that the night the wands clashed some connection happend and harry and voldemort were bound together by destiny in more ways than one

here the wand theory works

the wand chooses the wizard

neither harry nor voldemort knew who was the true master of elder wand when harry went to forest

only after king cross and talkin to dumbledore harry knew he wud survive and he is the master of deathly hollows that includes the wand

he had the stone the cloak and wand allegiance

that is why he did not die.

and that is what dumbledore was counting on though he didnt know wand wud transfer the allegiance but he thought abt the previous wand which harry and voldemort share the twin cores

it was abt wands hallows and mind soul which were connected

that wud be the reason that voldemort wand backfired on him and killed him in the end as his horcruxes also were destroyed

harry only used expelliarmus where as voldemort used avadakedavara

bt the wand wont kill its master and it rebounded on voldemort

there is confusion abt bella and hermoine wand too

i think what happend here was harry put shield charm on hogwarts by standing between the school and voldemort

thats why voldemort spell was not working on anyone and none were hurt

neville was able to break the body binding curse

and silencing charm was also lifting

and 3girls who were fighting bella also not got hurt bcoz of that

and then when bella fell voldy was a lot powerless then he everwas

harry again cast shield charm protecting molly from voldemort

confusion is now what happend to voldemort snape and draco wands in the end

voldemort and snape die

draco wand was in harry hand

but harry repairs his own phoenix wand with elder wand returning the elder wand to dumbledore tomb

anything made sense

sorry i dint put spoiler notice as lots of theories r already open and most may hv read the book

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Posted: 18 years ago
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ok lemme make it clear..I think there is a mistake above..
Dumbledore says in book 6that Voldemort Split his soul into 7 Parts..which means that he made 6 horcruxes and put 6 parts of his soul in each and tha last part of his soul remains in his body else he wont be able to live!
He had made only 5 horcruxes when he came tp Godric's Hollow to kill Harry.
DD says that he reserved the making of Horcruxes for very sppecial murders and Harry's murder was special/ He intende dto make the 6th horcrux after Killing Harry buthe didnt live on to do that.
Then when he returned, he had 5 horcruxes STILL Intact(The diary had been distroyed BUT he made a new horcrux by murdering that Gardener IN Goblet of Fire..Remember? N at that time he made Nagini a horcrux. till then he hadnt made Nagini a horcrux.)

even then it was 6 horcruxes coz Harry was accidently made a Horcrus but he Voldmeort didnt know that. No one did except DD after GOF.
Poor Voldy even tho his soul was split into "the most powerful magcal number"...it didnt help him anyway! 😆

N then the reason Harry didnt die isnt bcoz he is the Master of Death...there cant be a master of Death...ie no one escapes Death. DD says that Harry is the worthy possessor of the Hallows coz A true master doenst fear death. In that way Harry is worthy of the Hallows.
Harry didnt die coz of the blood running in both his and Voldemort's veins. Voldy took Harry's bllood in GOF when he came back to life and at that time, there was Lily's protection in his blood. when Voldmeort took it, he made sure that Lily's protection will live on and bcoz of that, He canot kill Harry and Harry Cannot kill Voldmeort.



Edited by lucky_lakshmi - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

ok lemme make it clear..I think there is a mistake above..
Dumbledore says in book 6that Voldemort Split his soul into 7 Parts..which means that he made 6 horcruxes and put 6 parts of his soul in each and tha last part of his soul remains in his body else he wont be able to live!
He had made only 5 horcruxes when he came tp Godric's Hollow to kill Harry.
DD says that he reserved the making of Horcruxes for very sppecial murders and Harry's murder was special/ He intende dto make the 6th horcrux after Killing Harry buthe didnt live on to do that.
Then when he returned, he had 5 horcruxes STILL Intact(The diary had been distroyed BUT he made a new horcrux by murdering that Gardener IN Goblet of Fire..Remember? N at that time he made Nagini a horcrux. till then he hadnt made Nagini a horcrux.)

even then it was 6 horcruxes coz Harry was accidently made a Horcrus but he Voldmeort didnt know that. No one did except DD after GOF.
Poor Voldy even tho his soul was split into "the most powerful magcal number"...it didnt help him anyway! 😆

N then the reason Harry didnt die isnt bcoz he is the Master of Death...there cant be a master of Death...ie no one escapes Death. DD says that Harry is the worthy possessor of the Hallows coz A true master doenst fear death. In that way Harry is worthy of the Hallows.
Harry didnt die coz of the blood running in both his and Voldemort's veins. Voldy took Harry's bllood in GOF when he came back to life and at that time, there was Lily's protection in his blood. when Voldmeort took it, he made sure that Lily's protection will live on and bcoz of that, He canot kill Harry and Harry Cannot kill Voldmeort.





very nicely put..
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Posted: 18 years ago
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gud work lucky_lakshmi 👏 ........but i would like to add to that that harry could not die bcus of harry's blood is in voldys body.....it also mentioned that voldy cannot kill harry under any circumstances bcus harry and voldy share the same blood...but if he had used anothers blood then that would have changed things around....he might have been able to kill harry 🤢
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Posted: 18 years ago
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^^^Voldemort could have killed Harry bfore GOF. It was bcoz he took Harry's blood to come back to life that he cant kill Harry anymore. His greed totouch Harry who was protected by Lily's sacred sacrifice..thats what resuled in his death...
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: lucky_lakshmi

ok lemme make it clear..I think there is a mistake above..
Dumbledore says in book 6that Voldemort Split his soul into 7 Parts..which means that he made 6 horcruxes and put 6 parts of his soul in each and tha last part of his soul remains in his body else he wont be able to live!
He had made only 5 horcruxes when he came tp Godric's Hollow to kill Harry.
DD says that he reserved the making of Horcruxes for very sppecial murders and Harry's murder was special/ He intende dto make the 6th horcrux after Killing Harry buthe didnt live on to do that.
Then when he returned, he had 5 horcruxes STILL Intact(The diary had been distroyed BUT he made a new horcrux by murdering that Gardener IN Goblet of Fire..Remember? N at that time he made Nagini a horcrux. till then he hadnt made Nagini a horcrux.)

even then it was 6 horcruxes coz Harry was accidently made a Horcrus but he Voldmeort didnt know that. No one did except DD after GOF.
Poor Voldy even tho his soul was split into "the most powerful magcal number"...it didnt help him anyway! 😆

N then the reason Harry didnt die isnt bcoz he is the Master of Death...there cant be a master of Death...ie no one escapes Death. DD says that Harry is the worthy possessor of the Hallows coz A true master doenst fear death. In that way Harry is worthy of the Hallows.
Harry didnt die coz of the blood running in both his and Voldemort's veins. Voldy took Harry's bllood in GOF when he came back to life and at that time, there was Lily's protection in his blood. when Voldmeort took it, he made sure that Lily's protection will live on and bcoz of that, He canot kill Harry and Harry Cannot kill Voldmeort.



u know i think u got total thing right

yes voldemort had made 5 horcruxes and before he made 6th he was destroyed in godric hollow

and voldy didnt know that time the 6th one was created then

leavin the 7th one voldy himself

now here is bit of trick question

1 diary destroyed

2 ring destroyed

3 locket destroyed

4 cup destroyed

5 diadem destroyed

that left harry and nagini

and voldy didnt know abt harry he had nagini with him and then his own soul

so doesnt that make 8 horcruxes in all

even if any of the above were destroyed

so total voldy made 8 horcruxes not 7 isnt it

and yes tht last line

voldy cant kill harry neither can harry kill voldy

i think what happened in the end was combination of many factors

voldy tried the killing curse on harry 3 times

and all 3 times he lost

first one also backfired on him bcoz lily was harry shield

and it destroyed voldy

2nd one in forest but then harry horcrux was destroyed but it unsteadied voldy too it didnt kill harry it only killed his horcrux

and final one in great hall as the elder wand wont kill its true master and it rebounded on voldy as he had nothing to keep him alive with all horcrux finished

what a plan what a plot what a story

hats of to jkr 👏

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Posted: 18 years ago
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^^^lol I agreee...what a plot what a story! 👏
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Posted: 18 years ago
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yep she is the best!!!!hope her crime novel is also something like this 😉
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Posted: 18 years ago
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And where is your theory in all of this?

All of this that you've posted is just Jo's Deathly Hallows. Where's your theory?!

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